Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread PanierAvide
Hello, Just for your information, there is also this "level:ref" tag which was used in various context to solve this problem : - level tag is still used as defined in Simple Indoor Tagging - level:ref has a value which is linked to operator naming of levels That way, casual mappers/consumers

Re: [Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

2019-01-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
In the proposal there is a statement: " it is impossible to check whatever power line is insulated during survey without closely approaching power line" I thought, that the distinction is very easy; insulated cables don't need insulated suspension. Insulated suspension is very easy to see. Or am I

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 20. Jan. 2019 um 23:41 Uhr schrieb Tobias Knerr : > On 20.01.19 19:37, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > - a shop on level M with "level=M" > > > > - the mall building with "levels=P2,P1,G,M,1-12,14-99" (the order of the > > levels). If levels is missing, a numerical order is assumed > > So

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Lionel Giard
Yes it makes sense to keep this distinction : level tag can just be the "logical order" of levels going from -xx to xx with an arbitrary 0 for each building, so tools know the order (which one is above the other). Simple Indoor Tagging already suggest the level:ref for the "local" naming scheme.

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 20. Jan. 2019 um 18:07 Uhr schrieb Roland Olbricht < roland.olbri...@gmx.de>: > we have here in Wuppertal, Germany at least three indoor-tagged > structures that have street level entrances at multiple levels, making > "street level" a not-at-all defined concept. +1, also from my

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-21 Thread Silent Spike
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:45 PM Paul Allen wrote: > Around and around we go. This list cannot agree on approving > landuse=forestry because it > doesn't get rendered. The carto people refuse to render landuse=forestry > because nobody > uses it. Sometimes the semi-anarchic nature of OSM

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 04:20, Andy Townsend wrote: One suggestion that I've made here before is explicitly to use > "landuse=forestry" for areas that may or may not have trees on them, if > the areas with trees within have been mapped separately > You're not the only one to have made that

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 20:21, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My problem with going to landuse=forestry with natural=wood... > > what happens to the remaining landuse=forest? > Will that finally be recognised as the same as natural=wood and be > migrated to natural=wood??? > Ideally, if

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
On 22/01/19 04:29, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:45 AM Paul Allen wrote: What if we suggest in the wiki that where trees are used for actual forestry people are encouraged to dual-tag with landuse=forestry + natural=wood on the basis that with enough usage the carto group

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Tobias Zwick
On 20/01/2019 23:39, Tobias Knerr wrote: > The main challenge I see with your proposal, though, is that the > levels=* tag on the building would be utterly required to make any sense > of the order of floors. Without it, applications would have no idea > whether "M" is above or below "P2", for

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:45 AM Paul Allen wrote: > What if we suggest in the wiki that where trees are used for actual forestry > people are > encouraged to dual-tag with landuse=forestry + natural=wood on the basis that > with > enough usage the carto group will render landuse=forestry AND

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Tobias Zwick
On 21/01/2019 09:19, PanierAvide wrote: > Just for your information, there is also this "level:ref" tag which was > used in various context to solve this problem I know of "level:ref". However, on the SIT wiki page, "level:ref" is documented as a tag for the level-outline tagged with

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.01.19 22:38, Roland Olbricht wrote: > I do consider both to be SIT compliant. I'm not sure if it's clear from the written text of SIT, but neither fractional levels nor indoor features outside of a building outline were part of SIT's design. (And yes, these are obvious omissions that will

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
When I look at the area, it turns out that Pointe des Espagnols is the extreme tip of the Roscanvel Peninsula, which itself comes off the Crozon Peninsula eg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Iroise_sea_map-en.svg If we add say Pointe des Capucins & Point de Cornouaille, it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-21 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 21 January 2019, Markus wrote: > > I've improved the differentiation from natural=cape and abandoned the > minimal area requirement of 1 km². Please tell me if it makes sense > now. That looks better though this might still be read as there being necessarily a 1:1 relationship between

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Tobias, thank you for keeping the discussion. One extra thing I have just learned is that non-numerical level refs are not-so-uncommon in the US, hence should be covered by a tool to be helpful there. > I do not want to sound so combative or negative here - to reason > for why a new tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-21 Thread Markus
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 23:00, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > > A piece of land that projects into a body of water. > > Sounds like a peninsula to me. Nearly the same definition is used for natural=cape: 'A piece of elevated land sticking out into the sea or large lake.' This is the reason why i

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-21 Thread Simon Poole
As tordanik has already pointed out the main issue with the proposals is that there is no inherent ordering that can be deduced from level values on objects if they are not (integer) numbers, so any such scheme requires far more insight, effort and available context from joe-casual-mapper and