Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

On 4/16/19, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Joseph wrote: We recently discussed place=locality, and I now believe this > tag should be avoided, and perhaps deprecated." > > I cannot agree. I apologize for being unnecessarily polemic by mentioning deprecation. I have no intention of investing time in

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

sent from a phone > On 15. Apr 2019, at 22:55, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > (BTW, I would recommend tagging archipelagos as simple nodes or as > multipolygon relations that include all of the islands. The wiki pages > suggests using a "type=cluster" relation, but this would be hard to > use)

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

sent from a phone > On 16. Apr 2019, at 09:13, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > A "group" usually has more than 2 members, but I can't think of an > objective cut-off point above 2 or 3. If "three's a crowd" it's also a > group, no? > > So I think it's reasonable for mappers using

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I added some comments to the talk page of your "type=group" relation > proposal. > > I would recommend simplifying the proposal to just be for groups of > nodes, because there are already relations for

[Tagging] Ireland, imports and maybe locality is correct  | Re: Subtag for place=locality?

On 15/04/2019 03:55, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/locality#values This tag is already used 65,000 times, but actually on boundaries; it was used for an import in Ireland with the values locality=townland and locality=subtownland. (These seem to be incorrect

Re: [Tagging] Ireland, imports and maybe locality is correct  | Re: Subtag for place=locality?

I'm sorry for assuming these features were imported. That's a lot of work! Thanks for getting those administrative boundaries into the database. A place=locality is defined as "an unpopulated location for which there is no extant feature to which the tag could be associated;" the original

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:26 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I apologize for being unnecessarily polemic by mentioning deprecation. > I have no intention of investing time in such a proposal. I mainly > wanted to suggest that the mappers on this mailing list think about > using more specific tags,

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Le 16.04.19 à 12:35, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > I turned > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:cycleway%3Dcrossing > from redirect into a separate page. great. > cycleway=crossing is additional tag <...> with highway=cycleway ok > highway=path/highway=footway that has

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Hi, it feels a bit wrong to me to use cycleway=crossing on a highway=footway or highway=path, as described on the wiki page . I might have been doing it wrong all the time but I always use hw=footway + footway=crossing hw=cycleway +

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

sent from a phone > On 16. Apr 2019, at 11:30, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > and not just a name you have heard from your > grandfather to apply to a place around here somewhere but you can't > really specifiy what it refers to now. if you (or your grandfather) can specify _where_ (around

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Apr 16, 2019, 2:50 PM by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > > highway=path/highway=footway that has bicycle=yes/bicycle=designated. > > highway=path + path=crossing + bicycle=yes|designate > or highway=footway + footway=crossing + bicycle=yes|designate > is not enought ? > It is enough, I rephrased

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Le 16.04.19 à 15:25, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > Apr 16, 2019, 2:50 PM by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > > > highway=path/highway=footway that has bicycle=yes/bicycle=designated. > > highway=path + path=crossing + bicycle=yes|designate > or highway=footway + footway=crossing +

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

I added some comments to the talk page of your "type=group" relation proposal. I would recommend simplifying the proposal to just be for groups of nodes, because there are already relations for multipolygons (areas) and linear ways (waterway, route, etc), and it will be very difficulty for

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

On Tuesday 16 April 2019, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > @MarKus: Regarding the tagging of islands or lake groups (clusters), > I've already begun to use the type=group tag and hope that someone > will push OSM-Carto to render such relations in the future. On a general note: It is very unlikely that

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:52, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > That's a challenging one, but it's possible to use a lifecycle prefix > like proposed:aeroway=aerodrome or abandoned=yes? > > If 2 prefixes can be added, you could use > abandoned:proposed:aeroway=aerodrome > To my mind there is a problem

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Apr 16, 2019, 3:47 PM by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 16.04.19 à 15:25, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > >> Apr 16, 2019, 2:50 PM by >> marc_marc_...@hotmail.com >> >> : >> >> > highway=path/highway=footway that has bicycle=yes/bicycle=designated. >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

> I might just as well use a multipolygon relation for them as I have in the past. Yes, that’s my recommendation. You just need a tag that is for groups of lakes. Archipelagos are mapped as multipolygon relations tagged with place=archipelago, name= and type=multipolygon. This makes it easy to

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

I have reviewed all the features tagged as place=locality in 2 places in the USA and 2 in Europe, and found that 3 out of 4, place=locality is usually used for features that could be tagged with a more specific tag. Summary: 1) Hawaii: less than 12 out of 143 place=locality features in Hawaii

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 12:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I have reviewed all the features tagged as place=locality in 2 places > in the USA and 2 in Europe, and found that 3 out of 4, place=locality > is usually used for features that could be tagged with a more specific > tag. > Thanks for your

[Tagging] Tag for a plateau or tableland?

I'm surprised that I can't find an established tag or wiki page for a plateau, mesa, or tableland; an area of raised land that is flat on top: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plateau and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(landform) Small plateaus or

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

> highway=path This is all a result on an incomplete tagging set, and using highway=path as a catch-all tag to avoid creation and documentation of missing tags. Any and all of the footway=* values and sub-tags should also be available for cycleway=* path=* and bridleway=* as well. Also,

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a plateau or tableland?

Plateau, table, tablelands all used in Australia. landform=plateau has 5 usages https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landform=plateau natural=plateau seems fine to me. Could be called walls sometimes, but to me it's unclear if that's the term for the plateau or the cliffs that surround the

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

On 16/04/19 17:38, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: We recently discussed place=locality, and I now believe this tag should be avoided, and perhaps deprecated. To summarize, most of these features were added in North America from GNIS imports; almost 20% are in Alaska alone (>200,000!), and they were

[Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

We recently discussed place=locality, and I now believe this tag should be avoided, and perhaps deprecated. To summarize, most of these features were added in North America from GNIS imports; almost 20% are in Alaska alone (>200,000!), and they were used for all sorts of features that are not

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

It sounds like "Sled Harbor" is a trailhead, a place where you leave a vehicle to start hiking on a footpath, or where you are picked up in a vehicle after your hike, correct? A few months ago we discussed the tag highway=trailhead - used over 1500 times:

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

Deprecating a tag because it was misused would remove quite a lot of current osm tagging. I also think some of the examples you mention cannot be re-tagged without some proper research that’s not going to happen (do the locals call that place %name% because it was a crosssroads at some point

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

The definition of archipelago (borrowed from wikipedia): "also known as an island group or island chain: a named chain, cluster or group of closely related islands." A "group" usually has more than 2 members, but I can't think of an objective cut-off point above 2 or 3. If "three's a crowd" it's

[Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

> highway=cycleway cycleway=crossing I have been mapping more and more cycleways here in Japan, and there is a true need for cycleway=crossing. Unlike some other countries where the cycleway is more akin to a road, cycleways here in Japan are often treated like footpaths, and dead-end into

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

That's a challenging one, but it's possible to use a lifecycle prefix like proposed:aeroway=aerodrome or abandoned=yes? If 2 prefixes can be added, you could use abandoned:proposed:aeroway=aerodrome But I wonder if people are talking about the former proposed airstrip when they refer to this

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

On Tuesday, 16 April 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Apr 16, 2019, 8:21 AM by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > >> highway=cycleway cycleway=crossing > >> > > > > I have been mapping more and more cycleways here in Japan, and there is a > > true need for cycleway=crossing. > > > > Unlike

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

Thank you for the links. Note that the page about the selling options raises more questions than it answers (how common are the listed options?). While it is incidental that auction houses may also be equipped with a stockyard if they also hold livestock auctions, this is not a necessity for some

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Apr 16, 2019, 12:22 PM by p...@trigpoint.me.uk: > > > On Tuesday, 16 April 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> Apr 16, 2019, 8:21 AM by >> tagging@openstreetmap.org >> >> : >> >> >> highway=cycleway cycleway=crossing >> >> >> > >> > I have been mapping

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Apr 16, 2019, 8:21 AM by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > there are ~12,000 uses of cycleway=crossing  on ways according to taginfo, > but no documentation for the tag.  > To reduce confusion in the future I turned https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:cycleway%3Dcrossing

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

Joseph wrote: We recently discussed place=locality, and I now believe this tag should be avoided, and perhaps deprecated." I cannot agree. In the case of Alaska, these named places are so remote that there is no chance of me (or any other OSM mapper for that matter), ever doing a survey to

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

Hi On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 09:40, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Two of the examples need new tags created: > 3 lakes with a name: needs a new tag, perhaps natural=lake_group as a > multipolygon relation? There is already a proposed and used type=group relation for all kind of named groups:

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

Apr 16, 2019, 8:21 AM by tagging@openstreetmap.org: >> highway=cycleway cycleway=crossing >> > > I have been mapping more and more cycleways here in Japan, and there is a > true need for cycleway=crossing.  > > Unlike some other countries where the cycleway is more akin to a road, > cycleways

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

On Tuesday 16 April 2019, Mark Wagner wrote: > > There's a "place=locality" near me called "Seven Mile Airstrip". > Now, that's an interesting choice of names for the place, because > there's no evidence that it was ever used for aviation. The best > guess I've seen for where the name came from