Hi,
You might want to have a look at routes in Europe:
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=5!47.0008!12.6323
Zoom and pan a little to get a feel for the extent of the route networks in
Europa and how they relate to countries. Bicycle networks (second tab) are
also very dense.
By contrast,
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> On 13. Jul 2020, at 05:59, Yves wrote:
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> Why do you say "A site means things are concentrated around a point", sites
> relation helps to map disjoint elements, but I don't think I saw anything
> about their repartition.
it is my interpretation of the term “site” and
Doing some wrap up:
> Barren sounds to me to imply nothing can grow there.Bare sounds more
neutral and factual to me, it just says there is nothing but bare soil to
mark the area with.Please correct if I am wrong!
For the 'barren vs bare' discussion, I would go for natural=bare_soil, not only
On 10/07/2020 19.51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 04:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
it is not so relevant for the international mailing list, because these
things tend to work differently in different countries.
Which proves the impossibility of trying to get one term to
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 7:00 PM Mike Thompson wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 4:18 PM Paul Johnson wrote:
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> > Disambiguation. US:FS:Hood and US:FS:Ozark are two different national
> forest service networks with entirely different numbering schemes. Plus
> network=CA by itself would
On 10/07/2020 16.38, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 15:53, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
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Yeah that's a problem. But since OSM would have to be changed to add
junction=intersection tags anyway, isn't it better to use the
established method of
On 10/07/2020 19.45, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 7/10/20 09:04, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
(I would probably use access=permissive for e.g. a mall parking lot,
where it's not strictly public, but where you wouldn't be expected to be
visiting a particular building or organization such that it's much
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:04 AM Peter Elderson wrote:
> Sounds to me that the scheme is creating a problem rather than solving
> it... requiring a lot of prior knowledge and tables to code, and expert
> knowledge and tables to decode.
>
It's the same scheme already used for highways.
The aurelian walls left today are not one continuous element, so the site
relation is practical as it allows to group all the linear or area features
that are forming the old city walls.
I used many time in cities when few ruins of the same original object exist
at different places (often walls),
Nederland, Germany and Belgium also have walking routes, horse routes,
inline-skating routes, canoe routes, motorboat routes. Also a myriad of
node networks for all the modalities, some completely developed and
covering the country (cycling node networks), some almost nation-wide but
locally or
Wouldn't a multipolygon with just two outers solve that parking case?
Best Peter Elderson
Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 21:02 schreef Lionel Giard :
> I also saw it used for parking lot that are completely separated (like on
> two sides of a big highway) but still part of the "same" parking
>
I am not saying get rid of the network tag, I am saying we should be
> consistent. In the above case, if network=UK (instead of network=ncn),
> one would know it is national. First because the UK is a nation and there
> is no smaller jurisdiction that follows "UK" in the tag, and because there
>
Looking back at the history of the site relation, it looks as if the
concept originated from schools, colleges, universities, airports, and
military bases for situations where the objects are not within a well
defined perimeter. Documented uses include historical sites, even though
they are not
I also saw it used for parking lot that are completely separated (like on
two sides of a big highway) but still part of the "same" parking
technically (like the example of mall parking in different parts separated
by highways). To add to the two area mapped as amenity=parking, there was a
site
I thought we were talking about bicycle routes, not recreational routes.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:22 AM Peter Elderson wrote:
> I can't see how that applies to recreational route networks in Europe.
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> Mvg Peter Elderson
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> Op 13 jul. 2020 om 15:33 heeft Paul Johnson het
> volgende
What is a recreational route and how's it got anything to do with talking
about modality?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:25 PM Peter Elderson wrote:
> Nederland, Germany and Belgium also have walking routes, horse routes,
> inline-skating routes, canoe routes, motorboat routes. Also a myriad of
>
Route=foot, route=hiking, route=bicycle, route=piste, route=inline_skates,
route=canoe, route=horse.
modality may be a wrong word? It's used in Nederland to mean transport
mode, including walking.
Vr gr Peter Elderson
Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 20:29 schreef Paul Johnson :
> What is a recreational
I can't see how that applies to recreational route networks in Europe.
Mvg Peter Elderson
> Op 13 jul. 2020 om 15:33 heeft Paul Johnson het
> volgende geschreven:
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>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:04 AM Peter Elderson wrote:
>> Sounds to me that the scheme is creating a problem
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> On 13. Jul 2020, at 19:04, Volker Schmidt wrote:
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> Reading the wiki versions, I would say the "site" relation is extremely
> vaguely defined.
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> I would think we are free to make it something useful.
I agree
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> At the risk of repeating myself, I believe there
That's OSM in a nutshell.
Mvg Peter Elderson
> Op 13 jul. 2020 om 23:24 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer
> het volgende geschreven:
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>> On 13. Jul 2020, at 23:16, Peter Elderson wrote:
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>> As I understand it, it is soil. That is something.
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> sure, you could
As I understand it, it is soil. That is something.
Vr gr Peter Elderson
Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 23:09 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
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> > On 13. Jul 2020, at 22:36, Joseph Eisenberg
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> > The Atacama desert has many areas of bare sand
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 22:56, Martin Koppenhoefer
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> actually all of these could be „grouped“ with tags alone, e.g distributed
> museums could have an identifying „network“ tag (or sth similar).
>
But why invent a new network tag, if we have a site relation, waiting to
be used. (I was
The Atacama desert has many areas of bare sand and rock, but also some
places with mixed stoney soil:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrishunkeler/32097822997
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrishunkeler/46125841885/in/photostream/
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:31 AM Michael Montani
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> Doing
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> On 13. Jul 2020, at 23:16, Peter Elderson wrote:
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> As I understand it, it is soil. That is something.
sure, you could also spend a lifetime mapping rocks, and when you’re done, you
start mapping smaller rocks ;)
Cheers Martin
Many desert climates can be mapped as natural=sand (for dunes and other
areas of sand), natural=bare_rock (for bedrock and large stones),
natural=scree, natural=shingle, or natural=heath (for areas of dwarf
shrubs), but we still need a tag for unvegetated areas which are not sand,
rock, stones or
Has as an example been found yet? There are areas that are void of
vegetation for most of the year, or even years, that change with the
right amount of rain.
On 7/13/20 3:47 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
Many desert climates can be mapped as natural=sand (for dunes and
other areas of sand),
Most Australian deserts cannot be mapped as a consistent land cover but
as a patchwork combination of differing land covers. As such mapping the
land cover is a time intensive task and given the usefulness of such
information compared to other priorities is not something that would be
done any
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> On 13. Jul 2020, at 22:36, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
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> The Atacama desert has many areas of bare sand and rock, but also some places
> with mixed stoney soil:
how would you map this? Are we going to map the voids? Usually in an area like
this I would expect that a
Sounds to me that the scheme is creating a problem rather than solving
it... requiring a lot of prior knowledge and tables to code, and expert
knowledge and tables to decode. If anything, I would want to make it
simpler, not more complicated.
Anyone who wants more consistency, please map all Dutch
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