On 30/07/2020 09:44, Frederik Ramm wrote:
in my view, the EU is not an administrative body with a border and many
parts (countries), but instead the countries have made a contract to
form the EU.
The Treaty of Lisbon gave the EU it's own “legal personality”, so the
EU, as a body itself is now
I asked about this ~1½ years ago too (
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/thread.html#43244
). In the end I thought `sleepable:physical=yes/no` is an accurate tag, and
fits the OSM philosophy well (*
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/0
Using `theme=board_games` does make sense when that is the theme.
But sometimes a pub (or café) will have board games for patrons to play, and
that isn't the "theme" of the place. So I think there is still benefit in
having a separate `board_games=yes/no` tag to mean "they are available (or
not
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, at 8:38 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 19:09, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
> > > Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you
> > > would only go there to play board games, which would attract a very
> > > limited clientel.
> >
>
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020, at 12:50 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 22:06, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> > Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging:
> >
> > > A lot of pubs have board games available for customers to play, or
> > > they did in
> > > normal times.
>
> How about pub
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 2:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> And all this effort achieve what?
The liberation of all people from from gender roles 🙂
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tation in
> order to replace a term already generally considered gender neutral and
> easily found in dictionaries (including bilingual ones) with more
> awkward phrasing that doesn't even remove the detested string.
>
> Please don't do this.
>
> On Sun, 18
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> (1) I never understood "man made" as
> "made by males".
> (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool
> to change language, especially if done at
> cost of making more complicated for
> mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's
(I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype)
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> > (1) I never understood "man made" as
> > "made by males".
&g
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool
> to change language, especially if done at
> cost of making more complicated for
> mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's
> meaning remains standard and is well
> understood
The
I think it's just a misspelling. I'm a native english speaker and I had
to check which is the correct spelling (“sculptor” FTR 😉). I suspect
that's what's happened here.
On 30/08/2019 14:16, marc marc wrote:
Hello,
does both have the same meaning ?
I thought that sculter was a typo in french
Why not `cuisine=milk_shakes` (or should it be singular?) ? If you can
sit inside it and drink your milk shake, I'd almost say it's an
`amenity=cafe`
On 05/09/2019 16:04, ael wrote:
How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes?
This one: https://shakeshop.co.uk/menu/
I have used
amenity=milk_s
On 23/09/2019 18:38, Bob Kerr via Tagging wrote:
However I came across landcover
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover
landcover=open_defecation
Which I think is more appropriate because that is what it is, it is not
an officially sanctioned landuse.
To me, `landcover=open_defecatio
On 08/10/2019 12:14, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
Re: “if you want to display a tab with all the means of contact, you
just have to look for contact:”
That doesn’t work, because “phone=“ is much more popular and probably
always will be, and the “contact:” prefix is not used terrible
consistently
Hi there fellow OSMers,
What's the best way to tag an Irish pub? Not just a pub in Ireland, but
a specifically themed "Irish Pub" (which are usually outside Ireland)?
There's ~300 instances of `cuisine=irish`, which would make total sense
for places which (also) serve food. Traditionally pubs in
On 09/10/2019 00:14, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 8 Oct 2019, 23:43 by t4d...@gmail.com:
>> This doesn't directly solve the problem, but you could use the
>> brand tag and put in the Guinness and other drinks that are
>> traditionally in an Irish pub if you knew their selection.
>
> I would expect b
On 07/01/2020 13:40, Jeroen Hoek wrote:
If done correctly, this would mean you could search OSM for a flag
copy/pasted from somewhere (like chat), and get the region represented
by that flag as a search result.
So to me it seems that this isn't so much about getting the emoji for
the Statue of L
Hello fellow tagging fans,
Some places give away free condoms to fight the spread of STDs (incl.
HIV/AIDS). Is there a good way to map that in OSM?
I suggest `free:condoms=yes/no`, since it's descriptive, matches the
`sells:X=yes/no` scheme. And the `vending:X=yes/no` scheme.
`vending:condoms=y
I think they should be removed if the really are tracking snippets
(check that the link works without the params).
We don't want someone else to have such knowledge about OSM data
consumers. I don't think they have posted a privacy policy in any case
On 25/02/2020 04:36, Jonathon Rossi wrote:
Christmas markets in German speaking countries (etc) are often mapped in
OSM even though they are only for 1 of 12 months of the year. They tend
to be pretty permanent, being in the same place every year, and being so
large and noticable in a city.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:xmas:
In OSM, large map boards can be mapped as
`tourist=information,information=map`. OSM is
pretty good quality, so now some of these maps are based on OSM data.
Is there anyway to record this in OSM?
IMO, you don't need a reason to map something, but one benefit is to help
people promote OSM. If
I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map
that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do we
map individual parts within it?
e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's own
phone
On 13.04.20 09:57, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
testing centers/clinics (testing only)
Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a laboratory
for testing
This is my suggestion for how to map disputed/claimed borders.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ClaimedBorders
(but I appear to have broken the wiki).
This proposal is simple. Map the claimed border of a country according
to another country as another regular {{Tag|type|bo
(Some of this is on the wiki)
On 28/11/2018 06:39, Johnparis wrote:
I don't think the notion of "according_to" is viable unless it is
restricted to the two disputing parties. (Three-way disputes can be
simplified into three two-way disputes.)
This is why I like according_to:XX=yes/no. It allo
On 06/12/2018 08:38, Mark Wagner wrote:
Yellowstone National Park has attracted a fair few bare
"tourism=attraction" objects. How would you tag the following:
* Boiling River and Firehole Swimming Area, naturally-heated stretches
of river that are popular for swimming.
natural=water + leis
On 06/12/2018 20:49, Mark Wagner wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:54:44 +0100 Rory McCann wrote:
natural=tree? natural=petrified_tree ?
"Tree" is misleading. "natural=petrified_tree" would be good, except
it gets zero hits in TagInfo.
Nothing wrong with being th
On 08.12.18 14:54, Johnparis wrote:
Briefly, without seeing at least one example for the other proposal, I
don't think it's reasonable to assume it will be easier to implement. It
is essentially an extension of my proposal (views of third parties on
claims), but without the modularity introduce
On 07/01/2019 23:51, Bryan Housel wrote:
So I’m thinking of introducing changeset tags like
“closes:x=123;456;789” where x can be a tracking service like
“keepright”, “osmose”, “improveosm”, “maproulette” or any other issue
tracker we want to connect iD to.
This is a good idea! You co
On 08/01/2019 08:30, Simon Poole wrote:
and yes you could even document that something is -not- sold in a
structured fashion.
How do you do that? To me "sells:blah=no" is clear: that blahs are, by
default, sold in this type of thing, but aren't here. Is there a
standard way to do that with se
OSM is reliable. Rather than using government published data, it uses
crowdsourced data. Most (all?) of creative commons licences allow
modification, so CC doesn't guarantee "protection against alternations".
OSM has been going for almost 15 years. It hasn't turned into junk yet,
what makes yo
I can't find any issue on Github for this feature.
But in Ireland (& I think UK), all public roads except motorways, are
foot=yes. Legally you can walk on the road, even if there is not
footpath ("sidewalk"). I think this adds bloat and quests which will
annoy mappers.
On 14/02/2019 10:26, F
On 14/02/2019 19:51, Tobias Zwick wrote:
> This is, by the way, a bit of a different topic now, because the
> thread was originally about tagging foot=yes on residential, not
> whether foot=yes/no is limited to a *legal* access restriction.
I thought it was quite clear, for many years, that "foot
Hi all,
Is there a good way to tag "hostile architecture"? To take a common
example: How should one map a bench that one cannot physically lie down on?
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture
* https://hostiledesign.org/
* an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench
Hi all,
On 28/02/2019 11:12, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> sleepable=yes/no is for me problematic as it can be easily confused
> with "is it OK to sleep there".
A good point. Some tags refer to legal access (foot/bicycle), some are
more about physical (e.g. wheelchair, track_type). We did just hav
There are already ~14k of usage of `dog=yes/no/...` so that's a good
start. You can add other animals if the venue allows others (e.g.
`cat=yes/no/...`).
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dog
On 07/03/2019 11:40, Cascafico Giovanni wrote:
Hello ML!
how can I tag and hotel (or whatever)
On 02/04/2019 23:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Is there an OSM policy on mapping sacred / ceremonial sites?
Yes, OSM has had `amenity=place_of_worship` for a while now, as well as
`landuse=religious`.
Are there any other places where the local original inhabitants may
not want their sites map
On 04/04/2019 00:14, marc marc wrote:
Le 04.04.19 à 00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
There are such restrictions in some places and we should map them,
if we know it well, or not add or modify them if we’re unsure or unacquainted.
but we don't map the legislation, isn't it ?
or next step i
On 10/04/2019 14:28, Paul Allen wrote:
You may want to take Peachtree City, Georgia into account in your
proposal. It has an alternative transportation network of golf cart
paths. People must obtain and display permits on their carts to use
the paths. Accordingly, somebody has tagged several
On 15/04/2019 03:55, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/locality#values
This tag is already used 65,000 times, but actually on boundaries; it
was used for an import in Ireland with the values locality=townland
and locality=subtownland. (These seem to be incorrect usag
This would certainly be a little more obvious than the existing `diaper`
tag.
The current proposal is baby_changing_table=*, but the common values for
diaper=* include things like diaper=room, diaper=table, diaper=bench, so
I think limiting this tag to just tables is bad. May I suggest
baby_c
On 17/05/2019 21:13, Paul Allen wrote:
I think that you would have to come up with something like
opening_house:islamic or something like that to segregate the two
systems.
There are some downsides to using a new `opening_hours:islamic` key:
* What happens if there's an `opening_hours=*` and
On 22/05/2019 14:31, Paul Allen wrote:
The problem with that is the same problem as allowing every language
on the planet to use their own abbreviations for month names. Only
worse.
I'm not proposing that, I suggest we create a (short) list of accepted
calendar systems, and accepted abbreviati
On 24/05/2019 02:44, Kevin Kenny wrote:
'easter' suffices for the entirety of the Christian calendar
Nope! 1,000 years ago the Christian church(s) had the "East West
Schism", resulting in Orthodox Christianty in the east, and
Catholic/Prodestant Christianity in the west. The 2 sides often disa
On 24/05/2019 15:47, Kevin Kenny wrote:
I'm asserting that it provides little useful information about
_current_ practice, since it chiefly devotes its attention to _future_
practice: it discusses an ideal world, rather than the real world that
we inhabit.
> ...
documented on the WIki, and appa
Hi all,
As part of the wider discussion of "how to make decision", yous might
like to know there's a RFC for how one group comes to decisions using
"rough consensus". This puts into words a lot of how I think decisions
should be made, and often how (I think) tagging decisions are made here.
On 25.05.19 01:11, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Threats of violence, racist or sexist abuse would get someone kicked
out whether or not we have codified rules or processes.
Really? That should be written down and defined. Because people _always_
argue that what they said wasn't racist/sexist/homophobi
On 01/08/2019 22:17, Mhairi O'Hara wrote:
Voting is now open for the proposed feature staff_count:nurses
"Indicates the average daily number of nurses available at a health
facility"
On 01/08/2019 22:17, Mhairi O'Hara wrote:
> Voting is now open for the proposed feature staff_count:doctors
>
On 02/08/2019 02:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
My main concern is that it is not clear how the value should be used.
The suggested examples are =private, =public, or =no - only the last
is usually useful. It would be better to suggest that each country or
region create values that match the most co
On 02/08/2019 08:42, Warin wrote:
It is possibly that some will only accept certain insurance firms and
reject others. I am thinking of insurance firms that run some medical
facilities.
We use subkeys for payment types (`payment:american_express=no`),
wouldn't this work for insurance companies
Ireland has 2 official languges (Irish first & then English), but only
~2% of the population speak Irish daily. There are some legal defined
regions of Ireland which are supposed to be "Irish speaking areas", but
even there Irish is a minority language. So how should that be tagged?
(Some day w
On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have highway=unclassified
with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check
whatever my edit on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified
was correct.
Yes it i
On 08/06/18 01:29, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote:
I wouldn't mind if all the existing tags were replaced tomorrow with a
brand new set of "intelligently-designed" keys. And I wouldn't mind if
these keys were enforced from now on. And I wouldn't mind that I would
have to relearn all the tagging I n
I suggest adding `sauna=gay`, for a gay bathhouse. "gay" is a
simplification since many men who have sex with men visit them (not just
gay men). `sauna=msm` sounds clinical and might be not obvious to data
users.
In some countries (like Germany) saunas are always naked, in others
(e.g. Ireland) t
I think access:*=yes/no is the most friendly to data consumers since a
consumer can just look at all keys starting with "access:" and go from
there. This could be useful for less frequent access tags.
And I think we can have a tagging discussion without mocking all
religions (not all of which bel
On 24/09/18 14:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
"The key language:default=* with a 2 or 3 letter ISO language code
should be tagged on administrative boundary relations, such as
countries, provinces and aboriginal communities.
In Ireland, there are legally defined areas, collectively "The
Gaeltacht"
Hi all,
I'd like to improve the state of mapping/tagging for LGBTQ topics, and
I'd like feedback.
There is an existing "gay" tag[1], which is used 650 times[2]. But it's
a little restrictive. And it also suggested "gay:transgender=yes" which
is just plain wrong.
So to start off, I'm suggest a s
On 23/10/2018 23:53, Andy Mabbett wrote
>> "shop=books lgbtq=yes" is a LGBTQ book shop
>
Wouldn't that be "shop=books books=lgbtq"?
Good point.
On 24/10/2018 00:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
there may be lgbtq things, but there are also places which are
explicitly gay bars, i.e. for homosexu
I'm not suggesting tagging "gay friendly" which is too
subjective, and, due to PR, might be less informative now.
On 24/10/2018 23:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
When going on holidays & checking accommodation / travel guides for
options, you often see a number of hotels / motels which are listed
bers game, and could be applied at
51%+.
There is no clear "opposite" of lgbtq=primary, so this scheme doesn't
have suffer from "lgbtq=yes"'s problem of "How do you tag a non-LGBTQ
venue?" lgbtq=no means it's run by bigots who ban LGBTQ people. Boring
c
Hi,
The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org
again[1], specifically about India and the Kashmir area. There might be
a way to solve this issue. Currently OSM tags the de facto country
borders. But what if we also mapped the borders of country X according
to country Y?
In th
On 07/05/16 11:54, Andy Townsend wrote:
> The problem with answering Rory's original question directly is that in
> OSM we try and "map what's on the ground", and don't map stuff that's
> never going to happen (for example, if a village thinks that it'd be
> really nice if there was a bypass around
I don't think tagging access=destination is a good idea. The access tag
is used for the legal restrictions for a road. access=destination means
you can only legally go on the road if your destination is on it. A
router won't route you down a road that it thinks you (legally) can't go
down. Tagging
On 09/01/17 16:59, Tod Fitch wrote:
> Here is a footway adjacent to a golf course that is being protected
> against people being hit by golf balls. [1]
>
> What is the best tagging for this protective structure? The lower
> part on the right could be considered a fence, but it extends over
> the t
What's the best way to tag a speed camera *zone*?
In Ireland, there are several roads which could have a mobile speed
camera van. We have some open data from the government of these roads,
and we'd like to map them in OSM. Ideally satnav apps would tell the
driver that they are on a "possible spee
On 16/01/17 17:56, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Are there signs along the road which inform the car drivers that there
> might be a mobile speed camera van?
Yes there are.
> As the data is provided as open data by a third-party source, app
> developers can merge OSM and speed camera zone data on the
On 16/01/17 21:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I have a different question: can you be sure that the other roads
> don't have speed cameras?
Other roads can have speed camera vans (from the police force, rather
than the outsourced private company), however they have less than the
private company.
On 17/01/17 13:59, Michael Reichert wrote:
> If there are signs which mark the beginning of such a section but no
> signs which mark their end, you could map the signs as a node on the
> way with direction=forward/backward. Both in OSM and in reality data
> users have to guess how long the section
On 12/02/17 21:56, Mark Wagner wrote:
> I'd consider mapping it as a dual carriageway. I don't know what the
> law is in Pennsylvania, but here in Idaho, a doubled double-yellow
> line is the legal equivalent of a physical barrier: you are not allowed
> to drive across it for any reason.
Umm... y
On 10.03.2017 21:43, Micah Cochran wrote:
I am looking to improve tagging of toilets. Specifically, I'm
interested in tagging gender neutral toilets (unisex or "family
toilets") and single-stall toilets.
This is a great idea. Did you know about http://www.refugerestrooms.org/
? It's a collect
I would suggest place=locality in this case, and have seen it used for
things like that (e.g. in Dublin, Ireland
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11675220 ).
The "unpopulated place" bit is (IMO) just to separate it from
town/village/hamlet etc, where you should be able to say "How many
people l
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