Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] refs describing routes instead of ways

2010-12-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm wondering why we still are trying the whole describe the route on the way method of handling the ref= tag on ways. Because it is currently the only way to get any kind of highway shield rendered. Get relation-based

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this: aeroway=aerodrome aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] I could maybe see some confusion between minor and regional but it could work.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-27 Thread Toby Murray
Have you seen the class:bicycle tag? It seems like this is fairly similar. It has a scale of -3 to +3 and already has over 3,000 uses in the database: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Class:bicycle http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/class:bicycle Toby On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Toby Murray
This discussion has happened before. I guess it will happen again. The argument that more hard-core riders can't judge the bicycle friendliness of a road is ridiculous. Any bicycle friendliness tags will obviously be targeted at average commuting cyclists. The fact that *I* ride along a road

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Hi. The proposal for marking building entrances with entrance=* tags was discussed a year and a half ago, but didn't really go anywhere:

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

2011-12-09 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: leisure=sports_centre  and leisure=sports_centre sport=multi I think the best I can come up with to devils advocate your devils advocation is: Without a sport=* tag you don't know if it is truly a multi-sport venue or

Re: [Tagging] Rd -- Road

2011-12-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/29/2011 10:35 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 12/29/11 11:30 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, I just came across an area with some abbreviated road names. JOSM issued a warning about this, suggesting I expand these

Re: [Tagging] Variable max speed corridors

2011-12-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/29/2011 11:12 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Variable max speed corridors are nothing new for Europe, but they apparently are a novelty for the US. Is there an established tagging convention for this? There's

Re: [Tagging] Rd -- Road

2012-01-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: What in particular were the complaints made against the fixbot? Can/should the fixbot be improved to take them into account? Also, I wonder where this was documented? I see no reference to this fixbot on

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-11 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/1/11 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: I tag all parking spaces as amenity=parking, even though you have to rent a place by the month. I'm guessing this is wrong? But this is how most people do it. If

Re: [Tagging] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-21 Thread Toby Murray
Unfortunately I don't have a good picture of this myself so here is a kind of crappy streetview shot: http://kan.st/yG The sign carries the name of this area. It is sitting in the middle of a short section of split carriageway residential road indicating that you are now entering the Sharingbrook

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle#Central_island The question is whether a normal-sized turning circle can be tagged as such if there's a small landscaped island in the middle. Here's

Re: [Tagging] Value separator

2012-04-04 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM, LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com wrote: I would choose semicolon, because it is used already (even if not actually supported) Yes, semicolon has existing support, at least in editors. Data consuming tools don't really support any form of multiple tag values

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

2012-04-15 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: That's always useful, but it doesn't solve the issue of getting the data for a query like: give me all the hotels cheaper than 66 EUR for a double room with bathroom in this bounding box. I'm not sure why you

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? I think the only thing I've done for weigh stations so far is put a exit_to=Weigh Station on the exit

Re: [Tagging] Openstreetview or similar and JOSM integration

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
I have uploaded a lot of pictures to openstreetview (everything from Missouri to Idaho is mine) in the hopes that it will some day become a useful service like this... but alas, nothing has happened with it in a few years. Most of my pictures are from highway driving and I usually take a straight

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: As expected the user NE2 tries to rewrite the wiki so that it fits his personal view of the world: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundaboutaction=history He constantly ignores the

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/10/2012 11:52 AM, fly wrote: Why should we have two tags for roundabouts which differe only in size. We do not do this with other objects/tags.

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/05/2012 19:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/16/2012 1:52 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so

[Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
Well the last thread just went nuclear so I'm starting a new one. So I guess here is a summary of my opinion on what seems to be the major sticking points. junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but people who are not familiar with the concept of a real mini-roundabout

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Why do I think that maxspeed=signals is a bad idea? Because it doesn't carry a lot of useful information. The speed limit is especially important to routing applications. For such an application maxspeed=signals is no

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: A lowest speed limit means that, under normal circumstances, traffic is supposed to go at least that fast, and someone going slower can be cited for obstructing traffic.  It doesn't get enforced when heavy traffic,

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com wrote: Nice howto example is Piraeus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.9391lon=23.62165zoom=16 A single way through the harbor entrance (strait?), splitting both inside and outside. Couldn't find anything such in reputed

Re: [Tagging] left: right:

2012-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Are the left: right: tags which are commonly used to determine admin boundaries ways still relevant when the boundary is also in a relation? eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/198923188 No. I have deleted

Re: [Tagging] Names on relations and not component ways

2013-01-05 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:47 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: The waterway segments I collected into the relation are exactly analogous to roadway segments collected into a route relation. I do not think that the relation I created constitutes a

Re: [Tagging] Names on relations and not component ways

2013-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de wrote: AFAIR there's currently no relation type that inherits it's tags to the member ways, so that the name tags are rendered on the map. Relations with type=multipolygon render the name tag on the map.

Re: [Tagging] GNC (General Nutrition Centers) - variety of shop tag values

2013-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: I wanted to tag a GNC franchise outlet in the United States and wasn't quite sure what value to use for the shop key. I find that I'm not alone. Using OpenLinkMap, I identified most of the current GNC outlets mapped in the US

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Toby Murray
That is correct. I once saw a sign on an I-76 onramp in northeast Colorado that said bicycles keep far right. My understanding is that it is acceptable to cycle on the interstate in this area if there is no reasonable alternate route. But nationwide I'm pretty sure this is the exception and I

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 5/28/13 6:19 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: name=Subway amenity=restaurant cuisine=fast_food OR name=Subway amenity=fast_food cuisine=sandwiches the second one is what you would get with a JOSM preset so

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, tag keys should follow that, but not key values. I'm sure there are values with single and double quotes, commas and semi-colons. Does OSM support any sort of multi-tag structure, like cuisine:japanese AND

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/6/6 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com The problem with landuse=reservoir is that often there is a situation where there is a parcel (legal unit of land under one ownership) that cotains some dry land, often

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building.

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops, including the Hallmark shops that John mentions. I considered Staples to be

Re: [Tagging] model airplane airfield

2015-04-07 Thread Toby Murray
How related to this discussion are dedicated model rocket ranges? Someone just posted this note a couple of hours ago which got me thinking about this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/344001 This seems like a similar activity. Or does it deserve its own thread? :) Toby On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-08 Thread Toby Murray
Well if you fire up iD and start typing Home Depot, Lowes, Menards or Ace Hardware, they all end up with shop=doityourself. The doityourself tag has always seemed a little awkward to me for some reason. I feel like Home Depot makes a good chunk of their money on professional contractors who buy

Re: [Tagging] Rubberised playground surface

2018-03-12 Thread Toby Murray
I think I may have used surface=tartan before but I am not sure this is actually correct. While they are both rubberized surfaces, I think tartan is much firmer since its purpose is to facilitate traction, not avoiding injury from falls. Toby On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Andy Mabbett