Re: [Tagging] Aeroway=Aerodrome Modifier Tags?

2010-06-16 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 16/06/2010 07:17, Stephen Hope a écrit : I'm a little bit worried about using admin_level, as it has connotations of control, not just level. It could be misinterpreted as who controls an airfield, rather than how important it is. What you're trying to do here is give a renderer explicit

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

2010-06-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/06/2010 14:04, y...@o2.pl a écrit : Now there is a good trend to use colon in key names. Maybe we should move these tags below? int_name - name:international nat_name - name:national reg_name - name:regional loc_name - name:local old_name - name:old alt_name - name:alt or

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/06/2010 14:25, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : soccer in US and Canada and football everywhere else. -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, preset icons, etc.). Cheers, Martin I thought

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page on links

2010-07-02 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 02/07/2010 18:44, John Smith a écrit : On 2 July 2010 23:55, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: What other links are there? The wiki is full of links between pages, until I actually read the page I didn't realise you were talking about highway links. +1, I thought it

Re: [Tagging] tagging religious features (abbey, monastery, shrine), probably subtags of place of worship

2010-07-07 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 07/07/2010 20:50, John Smith a écrit : On 8 July 2010 04:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Recently I found that we have no documented tags for abbeys, monasteries, shrines. Do you think it would be better to put them into amenity as subtags of place of worship or

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-10 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 10/08/2010 03:13, Liz wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Wish there was an agriculture=* tag. Life could be simple: well living in an agricultural area I'd start with agriculture= agriculture=* is not very acurate Does it describe the use of the soil, the

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 15/08/2010 17:54, John Smith wrote: On 16 August 2010 01:43, Cartinuscarti...@xs4all.nl wrote: With landuse=mixed you basically know nothing, except that there should be multiple values. You don't even know if it is a build-up area as there are enough landuse values that deal with the

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 15/08/2010 18:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: didn't you use a subtag for continuous/discontinuous? Could have been helpful. We have put the CLC:code tag in all polygons imported, so it is easy to find them back. But no sub tag. For the polygons are often been modifyed from import, we

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-16 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 16/08/2010 16:31, Matthias Meißer wrote: Hi everybody, as I noted in my diary, the forums,... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477 I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around. Therefore I asked at the talk page

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Energy generator power types

2010-08-17 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 17/08/2010 12:59, Tom Chance wrote: Just to help summarise, with these proposals we end up with: power=generator (the starting point) power_rating (to specify the watts generated) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_rating power_source (to specify the fuel type / energy source)

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 17/08/2010 05:29, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanovmichael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing hour_on to access:time. We keep getting told this is a do-ocracy, so if you find something more

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-18 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 18/08/2010 01:17, John Smith wrote: On 18 August 2010 08:25, Andreas Labresl...@lab.at wrote: I can't follow your argument here. A dancing school (or is ist called dance school? in which part of the English world?) is an amenity, is it not? The term amenity, if used in the

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-09-01 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 01/09/2010 04:09, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know of any other feature where the direction of the way means something *without* another tag being added. natural=cliff, barrier=retaining wall

Re: [Tagging] Reasons for associatedStreet?

2010-09-01 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 01/09/2010 12:08, David Paleino wrote: So we settled that Relation:street, as proposed in [0], would be more suitable, both for grouping segments together (yes Simone and Nathan, just for the sake of it, because I think it's convenient to keep them logically together with a relation), _AND_

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 13:36, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorangepdora...@mac.com wrote: With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by clicking on the node one by one. It will draw a new way using the same nodes. That is okay for a couple nodes,

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:17, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Vincent Pottiervpott...@gmail.com wrote: on JOSM : copy the way (ctr + C), create a new layer (ctrl + N) and don't clic in it, paste the way (ctrl + V) (the nodes are at the same place), put the tags, merge the

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/22 Vincent Pottiervpott...@gmail.com: yes. I use the 3d way (drawing 2 ways sharing nodes). I prefer this method for the reason given : if the bank/flow changes, the border may not. and you will be happily unglueing nodes till

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - social club

2010-09-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 27/09/2010 02:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 26/09/2010 23:35, vclaw wrote: I have created a proposal for mapping social clubs, by tagging as leisure=social_club. See

Re: [Tagging] Sports Stand

2010-09-29 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 29/09/2010 23:32, Dave F. wrote: Hi Anybody recommend a tag for a structure such as this?: http://www.arenaseating.com/cm/images/products/image_sports_grandstand_3.jpg sports=stadium is definitely overkill. sports_stand; sports_seating? Cheers Dave F. building=yes|* + (~)bench=yes

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Heritage

2010-10-05 Thread Vincent Pottier
Hi, Nearly a year that the the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage has been started. I'm not shure that it has been announced on this list. They are allready some uses on the excellent tool : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/heritage -- FrViPofm

Re: [Tagging] Chamber of Commerce?

2010-10-23 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 23/10/2010 02:00, Alan Mintz wrote: In most cities in the US, and even some smaller towns, there's an organization called the Chamber of Commerce. With varying participation from municipal government, it's a portal for new businesses to come to for help and information, networking with

Re: [Tagging] Tidying up arts venues

2010-11-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 06/11/2010 12:39, Tom Chance wrote: I like the idea of a culture key. +1 For now, in the absence of that key, we have to decide whether these features sit in amenity or tourism. The wiki makes the distinction by saying that amenities are important and tourist features are other

Re: [Tagging] Viewpoint indicators (Panoramic tables)

2010-12-01 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 01/12/2010 13:41, Jean-Claude Repetto a écrit : Hello, Is there a tag for viewpoint indicators ? Some photos : http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/22489 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Viewpoint_indicator.jpg http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Table_d%27orientation.JPG There is a

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 06/01/2011 05:07, Steve Bennett a écrit : Putting in place a serious process for tag migration will be difficult. I suggest that a first step will be definition of an actual schema, with version number. For example, define an actual list of several hundred tags, with semantics, that

Re: [Tagging] Bus route question.

2011-01-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 06/01/2011 14:07, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) a écrit : Conventionally this has been done with role alternate. But for more complex problems (more then two variants) this can not be represented correctly in OSM with only one route. Currently under developement is a proposal

Re: [Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/01/2011 13:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : Looking up the wiki there are several proposals for protected / listed features. 1. The oldest is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unesco_world_heritage suggesting historic=unesco_world_heritage actually I'd like to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 18/01/2011 20:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2011/1/18 Robert Elsenaarrob...@elsenaar.info: Great idea to reactivate is again. New times, new ideas. I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not have enough inhibitans to be granted as one. -1, what is the

Re: [Tagging] Residential gardens: deprecate leisure=garden, suggest alternative

2011-05-23 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 23/05/2011 14:17, Craig Wallace a écrit : On 23/05/2011 12:15, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: I'm suggesting that we remove the language on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden which recommends leisure=garden for tagging private residential gardens. The talk page entry is

Re: [Tagging] Residential gardens: deprecate leisure=garden, suggest alternative

2011-05-24 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 24/05/2011 10:39, Andrew Chadwick (lists) a écrit : On 24/05/11 00:49, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: [...] the landuse values describing built-up space should usually not be split below plot size. I'll read that as another vote against small landuse plots, but again: there's nothing in the

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-01 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 01/06/2011 08:31, Andre Engels a écrit : On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing some tags for monasteries. All I found is this:

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-26 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 26/08/2011 04:48, Bryce Nesbitt a écrit : On 08/25/2011 05:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: if the data is mastered elsewhere, don't import it into OSM. If OSM is just a unique repository of hand collected data, sure, that's right. If OSM is an end result (e.g. published maps) then we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (sceptic_tank)

2011-10-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 22/10/2011 21:30, John Sturdy a écrit : I get the impression that amenity is something people use directly, and that this should be man_made=septic_tank as it is a piece of behind-the-scenes equipment. What's connected to it might well be amenity=toilets, however. __John +1 Le 22/10/2011

Re: [Tagging] (no subject)

2011-12-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 06/12/2011 10:43, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2011/12/6 Jowinfi...@gmail.com: I'd use a polygon (amenity=hotel, etc.) for the whole complex, this can be easily evaluated, (what nobody does so far with site relations, AFAIK) I get complaints if I start using polygons that way... what

Re: [Tagging] Key office

2011-12-12 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 12/12/2011 17:45, pavithran a écrit : Office = government , office=research_centre and lot of important tags will bring us out of amenity . What would improve a large scale usage of office key ? Inclusion in potlatch/JOSM perhaps ? Regards, Pavithran

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a dovecot?

2012-01-09 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 09/01/2012 11:31, Volker Schmidt a écrit : I would like to tag a historic dovecot (colombara or torre colombaia in Italian). I cannot find an appropriate existing tag. Volker Padova, Italy http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=dovecote -- FrViPofm

Re: [Tagging] Mapping as two ways or one, u-turns

2012-03-03 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 03/03/2012 08:49, Erik Johansson a écrit : There is nothing separating this road yet it is mapped as two ways: http://osm.org/go/0bCzcBhNM--?m http://goo.gl/KLTpu (Streetview) IMHO, it's a mistake. This is done for routers. Imagine you want to go from the marker to number 117, as it is

Re: [Tagging] Defaults (Re: sidewalks and tagging for the renderer)

2012-04-13 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 13/04/2012 09:49, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : I think we're talking about two different things here. (a) An editor (program) automatically applying tags to an object. This is bad, because we don't know whether the mapper has specifically verified this, or whether it's just being assumed and

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 15/04/2012 10:10, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : On 4/15/2012 3:55 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-14 22:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: In the U.S., a gated residential community usually allows anyone in who has a legitimate reason to be there (e.g. visiting a friend, delivering a package,

Re: [Tagging] Bench as way. Was : Tagging amenity=waste_basket

2012-08-05 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 05/08/2012 09:56, Tobias Knerr a écrit : The particular bench in your example could also be modelled as a node with direction and width tags. Nevertheless, one could argue that long benches like this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Universitaet_Passau_09.jpg would best be mapped

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-21 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 21/08/2012 13:04, Colin Smale a écrit : I live in hope that, one day, we might have documented defaults or implied values per territory. Until that time, we may have to map both the tangible artefact (solid line) and the implications for routing (no u-turns etc.) separately. They are

[Tagging] Why creating a superroute type in relation when type=route does the work ?

2013-03-29 Thread Vincent Pottier
doing the work ? -- Vincent Pottier aka FrViPofm and sorry for the noise made by the same post with an other account. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013-06-02 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 02/06/2013 14:31, Brad Neuhauser a écrit : Umm, what's wrong with shop=bakery? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop Selling bread In France you can usualy find pastries in a bakery, at least viennoiseries [1], but you never find bread in a pastry. [1]

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013-06-03 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 03/06/2013 04:59, Brad Neuhauser a écrit : To me, wikipedia captures well the English usage of bakery: A *bakery* (or *baker's shop*) is an establishment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment which produces and sells flour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour-based food baked

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - reference_point

2013-07-03 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 03/07/2013 05:46, Felix Delattre a écrit : Dear community, please vote for this feature proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reference_point This is needed to get proper route-planning working in all Central American countries. Thank you for all the feedback

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 08/10/2013 10:21, Pieren a écrit : On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer Er, what? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element +1, that's exactly the reason. A building is not the same feature as the business occupying it. Cool down, Martin. Amenity (or

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] IENC of the German WSV

2013-12-12 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/12/2013 11:15, Malcolm Herring a écrit : It is not rather than, but as well as. The harbour object is tagged with a list of *available* facilities, the tag values being free text to qualify those availabilities. e.g. harbour:toilets could take the value private, access by code. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinkable

2014-02-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/02/2014 07:18, Rudolf Martin a écrit : Hallo, the tag drinkable= is used more than 3000 times. Up today there is no clear definition about the values of this tag. I made a proposal with some possible values, according to some discussions in this mailinglist and some threads in the osm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinkable

2014-02-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/02/2014 07:18, Rudolf Martin a écrit : Hallo, the tag drinkable= is used more than 3000 times. Up today there is no clear definition about the values of this tag. I made a proposal with some possible values, according to some discussions in this mailinglist and some threads in the osm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinkable

2014-03-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 28/02/2014 01:23, Dave Swarthout a écrit : @FrViPofm: I respectfully disagree. The drinking_water tag you refer to is intended to indicate if drinking water is available at a certain facility, not whether it is safe to drink. The values in your example demonstrate this intention with yes

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/04/2014 19:38, Dan S a écrit : 2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki

Re: [Tagging] RENDER

2014-08-15 Thread Vincent Pottier
What a nice map we would get : * way: addr:housenumber=1; my_tag=nothing_known_elsewhere; render=pink * way: addr:housenumber=2; other_tag=known_only_by_me; render=yellow * way: addr:housebumber=3; my_private_tag=dont_use_it; render=violet * way: addr:housebumber=4;

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-23 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 23/01/2015 21:53, moltonel 3x Combo a écrit : Given that relations in general are not going away, the proper solution to the novices have trouble with relations problem is not to use less relations but to make relations easyer to edit and better documented. FWIW, I feel there is slow but

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 22/01/2015 14:00, althio a écrit : Hi all - does anyone know what the geographic distribution of associatedStreet is like? taginfo doesn't render a map (it seems it doesn't do that for relations). UK http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/type=associatedStreet ~9000 PL

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/01/2015 11:55, Daniel Koć a écrit : W dniu 27.01.2015 11:25, André Pirard napisał(a): On 2015-01-27 09:51, Simone Saviolo wrote : To be correct, the Virgin Mary isn't a saint either ;-) You should urgently warn the Vatican [3] ! ;-) It doesn't really matter anyway. =} Someone has

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/01/2015 13:00, Andreas Goss a écrit : Fully borken or not. In my opinion a assiciatedstreet relation that does not include every element is broken. At that point all the advantages are gone. associatedStreet is not multypolygon ! A lack in the outer of a multipolygon is a gap and

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/01/2015 17:20, Steve Doerr a écrit : In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. I would prefer the dedication rather than a patron, for, as said above, the dedication may be a