Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi, Am 13.04.2014 21:35, schrieb Steve Doerr: I'm surprised that so many people are jumping to this conclusion. Let's remember that a way is just a series of nodes in a particular order. So a node is not necessarily an isolated object. Agree In many cases, it exists solely as part of a way.

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-14 Thread fly
Am 14.04.2014 08:28, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Hi, Am 13.04.2014 21:35, schrieb Steve Doerr: I'm surprised that so many people are jumping to this conclusion. Let's remember that a way is just a series of nodes in a particular order. So a node is not necessarily an isolated object. Agree

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-14 Thread John Packer
To make it less ambiguous and easier I would deprecate forward/backward completely for nodes and advice to use cardinal coordinates for all nodes. I think that would be ok for traffic_sign:direction=*, but not for traffic_signals:direction=* or direction=* when used with highway=stop/give_way,

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Agree partly. It's not meaningless, but it get's ambiguous very often. Take traffic signals as one example where the direction might be used: Besides an intersection someone could add the traffic lights on the four individual ways (instead

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:43:58PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2014-04-12 20:39 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I have never used this key before because of the drawback you mentioned: There is no editor supporting this tag when reverting a way direction, Does anyone else

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread ael
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:57:12PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a way, and not everyone uses JOSM. Colin +1 from someone who does use JOSM. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread fly
I have no problems using forward/backward on way but on nodes this does not make sense and in my opinion we need to discourage the usage in favour of cardinal coordinates either as number or as letters (West, South southeast, NWW, S and so on). fly Am 12.04.2014 20:39, schrieb John Packer: I

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 12/apr/2014 um 19:43 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is meaningless. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread fly
Am 13.04.2014 16:25, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 12/apr/2014 um 19:43 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is meaningless. +1 Martin, throught you wrote something different about benches last week on

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Steve Doerr
I'm surprised that so many people are jumping to this conclusion. Let's remember that a way is just a series of nodes in a particular order. So a node is not necessarily an isolated object. In many cases, it exists solely as part of a way. Thus the concept of direction is not meaningless for a

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 13/apr/2014 um 16:45 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: If we proper define the direction, there is not problem with direction=* on nodes. E.g. directions for benches are taken from a sitting position and in general the wiki talks about facing the direction which in my

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 13/apr/2014 um 21:35 schrieb Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com: Thus the concept of direction is not meaningless for a node which is part of a way. I haven't examined any uses of the tag on a node, but I can imagine, for instance, that a node in a way with a direction attribute

[Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread fly
Hey As I had much fun with the last subject (noexit), I just can not hold myself back to jump into another bee nest. I read on the wiki page [1], that direction=forward/backward are valid values also for nodes. Could someone please explain me, how this can work. I only find some major reasons

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is meaningless. On April 12, 2014 12:20:26 PM CDT, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey As I had much fun with the last subject (noexit), I just can not hold myself back to jump into another bee nest. I read on the wiki

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread fly
Sorry, forgot the link. Yes, it does make sense and is useful for benches and traffic_signals. Am 12.04.2014 19:43, schrieb John F. Eldredge: Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is meaningless. On April 12, 2014 12:20:26 PM CDT, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread John Packer
Do note that when used on benches, *forward* and *backward* are not valid values (which is what we are talking about). *amenity=bench* with a *direction=** key use angles and cardinal directions as values. 2014-04-12 14:46 GMT-03:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Sorry, forgot the link.

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread John Packer
I have never used this key before because of the drawback you mentioned: There is no editor supporting this tag when reverting a way direction, but as far as I know, *direction=forward/backward* is used with *highway=stop* and *highway=give_way* and maybe some other signs. There are keys similar

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-12 20:39 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I have never used this key before because of the drawback you mentioned: There is no editor supporting this tag when reverting a way direction, Does anyone else think that the reverse tool should be removed from editors? There's

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread Colin Smale
Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a way, and not everyone uses JOSM. Colin On 2014-04-12 22:43, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2014-04-12 20:39 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I have never used this key before because of the drawback you mentioned:

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-12 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/12/14 5:57 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a way, and not everyone uses JOSM. Colin On 2014-04-12 22:43, Janko Mihelić wrote: Does anyone else think that the reverse tool should be removed from editors? There's no real