Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Quay
Am 28.01.2015 um 02:51 schrieb Warin: On 27/01/2015 9:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: (This discussion originated on talk - crossposted to tagging on Malcolm's suggestion) On 26/01/2015 21:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 26/01/2015 19:23, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay mentions that a quay will normally be tagged as part of the coastline natural=coastline. Apart from that I found no clue anywhere else about how a quay should be tagged... Am I missing something ? Considering how well-used man_made=pier is, I am surprised that quays get such scant attention. man_made=quay anyone ? To quote the IHO dictionary: quay. A WHARF approximately parallel to the SHORELINE and accommodating ships on one side only, the other side being attached to the SHORE. It is usually of solid construction, as contrasted with the open pile construction usually used for PIERS. So yes, your reasoning is correct that section of the coastline that forms the quay could indeed be tagged man_made=quay. Yes, this is about what I had in mind: - Either take a section of natural=coastline and overload it with man_made=quay - Or draw a dedicated man_made=quay way on top of a natural=coastline I have no idea which one would be best. I lean towards the first one for easier editing - ways exactly on top of each other are difficult to select. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Off topic. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay .. is dated .. 2008 or before .. 8 years ? proposed? Ridiculous! Abandoned .. why? And what is used in its place? Very poor documentation - nothing directly on why it failed. Sadly, all proposal without a change within some time period where set to abandoned some time ago. Please feel free to take over and reactivate it. One could also use waterway=quay or waterway=wharf. This would associate it with a waterway, might be a natural feature (think of a solid sandstone bank used as a wharf), or man made so why not waterway? Does not sit with man_made=pier .. but those don't occur as natural features? My thinking is to follow highway=* tagging where traffic lights are tagged hightway=traffic_lights rather than man_made=traffic_lights. This groups things together for a more logical system of things that would be associated all in the one main tag. Actually, I am in favour of creating more keys in stead of too much grouping. We already get conflicts with highway=traffic_lights vs. highway=crossing and imagine traffic_calming=* to be under highway=traffic_calming. I would propose to use man_made=quay analog to pier and guess that there are not many natural quays. Still waterway=quay is used a little more often [1], so documentation and some con-sense is needed. --- As the coastline in some places is man made .. I'd much rather see coastline as waterway=coastline rather than natural=coastline. This comes back to my thoughts on OSM tagging philosophy/thinking/order waterways are all linear objects and it contradicts to your waterway=quay/wharf I would not take all keys literally and we will always have a discussion about natural=* I guess. Cheers fly [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=quay#values ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Quay
On 27/01/2015 9:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: (This discussion originated on talk - crossposted to tagging on Malcolm's suggestion) On 26/01/2015 21:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 26/01/2015 19:23, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay mentions that a quay will normally be tagged as part of the coastline natural=coastline. Apart from that I found no clue anywhere else about how a quay should be tagged... Am I missing something ? Considering how well-used man_made=pier is, I am surprised that quays get such scant attention. man_made=quay anyone ? To quote the IHO dictionary: quay. A WHARF approximately parallel to the SHORELINE and accommodating ships on one side only, the other side being attached to the SHORE. It is usually of solid construction, as contrasted with the open pile construction usually used for PIERS. So yes, your reasoning is correct that section of the coastline that forms the quay could indeed be tagged man_made=quay. Yes, this is about what I had in mind: - Either take a section of natural=coastline and overload it with man_made=quay - Or draw a dedicated man_made=quay way on top of a natural=coastline I have no idea which one would be best. I lean towards the first one for easier editing - ways exactly on top of each other are difficult to select. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Off topic. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay .. is dated .. 2008 or before .. 8 years ? proposed? Ridiculous! Abandoned .. why? And what is used in its place? Very poor documentation - nothing directly on why it failed. One could also use waterway=quay or waterway=wharf. This would associate it with a waterway, might be a natural feature (think of a solid sandstone bank used as a wharf), or man made so why not waterway? Does not sit with man_made=pier .. but those don't occur as natural features? My thinking is to follow highway=* tagging where traffic lights are tagged hightway=traffic_lights rather than man_made=traffic_lights. This groups things together for a more logical system of things that would be associated all in the one main tag. --- As the coastline in some places is man made .. I'd much rather see coastline as waterway=coastline rather than natural=coastline. This comes back to my thoughts on OSM tagging philosophy/thinking/order ... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Quay
(This discussion originated on talk - crossposted to tagging on Malcolm's suggestion) On 26/01/2015 21:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 26/01/2015 19:23, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay mentions that a quay will normally be tagged as part of the coastline natural=coastline. Apart from that I found no clue anywhere else about how a quay should be tagged... Am I missing something ? Considering how well-used man_made=pier is, I am surprised that quays get such scant attention. man_made=quay anyone ? To quote the IHO dictionary: quay. A WHARF approximately parallel to the SHORELINE and accommodating ships on one side only, the other side being attached to the SHORE. It is usually of solid construction, as contrasted with the open pile construction usually used for PIERS. So yes, your reasoning is correct that section of the coastline that forms the quay could indeed be tagged man_made=quay. Yes, this is about what I had in mind: - Either take a section of natural=coastline and overload it with man_made=quay - Or draw a dedicated man_made=quay way on top of a natural=coastline I have no idea which one would be best. I lean towards the first one for easier editing - ways exactly on top of each other are difficult to select. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
