Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

generally, setting a „name“ seems obvious, additionally you could add some 
historic=* tag.

For the heritage status there is documentation of the schemes here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage

Cheers, Martin 

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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Michael Patrick]

> I have a question about `name=` and variants of names. I've been reading
a lot of local history and in the architecture/history world, houses are
generally named for the first resident that they were built for.
E.g."Johnson house" and are referred to in this way even after many
generations of new owners. ... For some of these buildings they are
commonly referred to by the public using this historical-owner name. For
example the "Osborne house" ...  in my town was referred to as such in
public meetings and newspapers several years ago .. ... Especially in the
case of a building taken up by a single business, locals will simply refer
to the building as the ... or some other tag?

For at least part of this use case, these are known as 'landmark' buildings
( and other things, like the 'Blue Star Highway
' or 'Lincoln
Highway "), and they have
that designation whether they've been moved, etc. The name reflects the
original builder, owner, company, congregation, ranch, farm, etc. The
landmark status can official
 ( local, state,
federal ) or not ( usually the case in rural areas ).

There seems to already be some tags along these lines in taginfo,
landmark_building, and landmark with a key value of building.
,
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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Adam Franco]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:46 AM Jmapb  wrote:

> IMO it's fine to use old_name=* even without name=* -- to record the fact
> that it used to be known as the Johnson House, but there's no current name
> in common use. J
>

Thanks all for the feedback. I guess I'll use old_name=* for these. The
names may be currently applicable but not in common use, sort of an
alternate name used mostly by historians. alt_name=* seems to be equally
valid, but a little less precise.
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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Warin]

I'd put it in OHM rather than OSM. OHM could develop tools that would 
allow scrolling through dates to 'see' things as they were.


On 15/12/18 02:34, Adam Franco wrote:
I have a question about `name=` and variants of names. I've been 
reading a lot of local history and in the architecture/history world, 
houses are generally named for the first resident that they were built 
for. E.g. "Johnson house" and are referred to in this way even after 
many generations of new owners. After adding a few of these names to 
the `name= ` tag I 
realized that this might be problematic as `name=` seems to be given 
higher rendering priority than house number (at least on 
openstreetmap.org  and Maps.me), potentially 
causing wayfinding confusion as addresses disappear and long-dead 
owners names start popping up.


For some of these buildings they are commonly referred to by the 
public using this historical-owner name. For example the "Osborne 
house"   in my town was 
referred to as such in public meetings and newspapers several years 
ago when it was picked up and moved. It now has a new address as a 
result of this move.


In many other cases buildings are locally referred to by their current 
address or current occupant. Especially in the case of a building 
taken up by a single business, locals will simply refer to the 
building as the " building".  The historical-owner 
name is still valid and interesting for cross-referencing historical 
materials, but it likely isn't well known and in many cases and 
wouldn't be useful for wayfinding as it would not be found on signage.


What are folks thoughts about these historical-owner building names 
when they aren't well-known? Should they go in a `description= 
` tag, `alt_name= 
`, or some other tag?


Thanks for any insight you can provide.
Adam


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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Allan Mustard]

That’s good, too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Jmapb  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/14/2018 11:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM Adam Franco  wrote:
>>> What are folks thoughts about these historical-owner building names when 
>>> they aren't well-known? Should they go in a `description=` tag, 
>>> `alt_name=`, or some other tag?
>> 
>> If there is only a single old name and it is different from the current 
>> name, we have the established tag old_name=* as explained here: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:old_name
>> This wiki page also suggests other formats like old_name:1921-1932=* if the 
>> name is valid in a particular period.
> IMO it's fine to use old_name=* even without name=* -- to record the fact 
> that it used to be known as the Johnson House, but there's no current name in 
> common use. J
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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Volker Schmidt]

> I have a question about `name=` and variants of names. I've been reading a
> lot of local history and in the architecture/history world, houses are
> generally named for the first resident that they were built for. E.g.
> "Johnson house" and are referred to in this way even after many generations
> of new owners. After adding a few of these names to the `name=
> ` tag I realized that this
> might be problematic as `name=` seems to be given higher rendering priority
> than house number (at least on openstreetmap.org and Maps.me),
> potentially causing wayfinding confusion as addresses disappear and
> long-dead owners names start popping up.
>
> if a house has a name as part of the address (in place or in addition to
the number) this should be tagged as addr:housename=.
What you seem to be referring to is the house's name like name=Villa
Giovanelli Colonna, which is not part of it's street address.
This is a rendering "problem".
In the standard OSM rendering, if a building has a 'name' tag this takes
precedence over it's 'addr:number' and 'addr:housename' tags. A building
that has no 'name' tag, but has both 'addr:housenumber' and
'addr:housename' tags is rendered, correctly, with both the house number
and the house name.
The precedence of the 'name' over the 'addre:xxx' tags could be debatable.
However if you put the 'addr:housenumber' and 'addr:housename on a separate
node and 'name' on the building it depends on the geometry and zoom level.
Unless the address tags and the name tag compete for space, all tags are
rendered, otherwise the name tag takes precedence (overrides the address
tags).
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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Jmapb]

On 12/14/2018 11:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM Adam Franco > wrote:


What are folks thoughts about these historical-owner building
names when they aren't well-known? Should they go in a
`description=
` tag,
`alt_name= `, or
some other tag?


If there is only a single old name and it is different from the 
current name, we have the established tag old_name=* as explained 
here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:old_name
This wiki page also suggests other formats like old_name:1921-1932=* 
if the name is valid in a particular period.


IMO it's fine to use old_name=* even without name=* -- to record the 
fact that it used to be known as the Johnson House, but there's no 
current name in common use. J


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Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM Adam Franco  wrote:

> What are folks thoughts about these historical-owner building names when
> they aren't well-known? Should they go in a `description=
> ` tag, `alt_name=
> `, or some other tag?
>

If there is only a single old name and it is different from the current
name, we have the established tag old_name=* as explained here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:old_name
This wiki page also suggests other formats like old_name:1921-1932=* if the
name is valid in a particular period.
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