Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On February 2, 2014 5:34:36 PM CST, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop if other items like belts, gloves, purses were sold as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging How would you tag a shop that specialized in non-leather bags, such as woven cloth? Some vegans choose not to use items made of leather. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
2014-02-03 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a shop that specialized in non-leather bags, such as woven cloth? Some vegans choose not to use items made of leather. If it's a shop for bags it is already a bag shop, I guess you wanted to ask: how would you tag a shop that offers stuff like a shop for leather goods does, just not out of leather. We'll see when you come up with one ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 2 February 2014 23:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop if other items like belts, gloves, purses were sold as well. What about a shop like this? http://www.lesgrandsboulevards.fr/img/enseignes/P102036412-05-28.JPG They sell mainly bags, both leather and non-leather, but also sell some wallets (on the counter) and belts (next to the counter). How would you tag this shop? Shops like this are fairly common in France and Luxembourg, and are referred to as 'maroquinerie'. Technically the word only refers to leather products, but the shops normally sell also travel bags made out of different fabrics. Does this type of shop exist outside of the French-speaking countries? And do other countries have a specific term for it? -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
2014-02-03 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: What about a shop like this? http://www.lesgrandsboulevards.fr/img/enseignes/P102036412-05-28.JPG They sell mainly bags, both leather and non-leather, but also sell some wallets (on the counter) and belts (next to the counter). How would you tag this shop? I'd tag it as shop=leather (it is quite common that they sell also suitcases and bags which are not made out of leather). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 02/03/2014 10:31 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: On February 2, 2014 5:34:36 PM CST, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop if other items like belts, gloves, purses were sold as well. cheers, Martin Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging How would you tag a shop that specialized in non-leather bags, such as woven cloth? Some vegans choose not to OK, what happened to the rest of my sentence? My comment was intended to say, How would you tag a shop that specialized in non-leather bags, such as woven cloth? Some vegans choose not to buy any sort of leather product. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. attachment: john.vcf___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 02/03/2014 10:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-02-03 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a shop that specialized in non-leather bags, such as woven cloth? Some vegans choose not to use items made of leather. If it's a shop for bags it is already a bag shop, I guess you wanted to ask: how would you tag a shop that offers stuff like a shop for leather goods does, just not out of leather. We'll see when you come up with one ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Well, the definition given, that the difference between a bag shop and a leather shop is that the leather shop sells additional items made of leather, implies that a bag shop necessarily sells leather bags. I was pointing out that it might not necessarily include leather items among the bags it sells. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. attachment: john.vcf___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 02/03/2014 11:02 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 2 February 2014 23:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop if other items like belts, gloves, purses were sold as well. What about a shop like this? http://www.lesgrandsboulevards.fr/img/enseignes/P102036412-05-28.JPG They sell mainly bags, both leather and non-leather, but also sell some wallets (on the counter) and belts (next to the counter). How would you tag this shop? Shops like this are fairly common in France and Luxembourg, and are referred to as 'maroquinerie'. Technically the word only refers to leather products, but the shops normally sell also travel bags made out of different fabrics. Does this type of shop exist outside of the French-speaking countries? And do other countries have a specific term for it? -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Yes, most leather shops in the USA sell a variety of leather products, and often luggage, not all of which will be leather. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. attachment: john.vcf___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop if other items like belts, gloves, purses were sold as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 29 January 2014 13:20, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: regarding the bag shop it might also be useful to add a reference to shop=leather That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? For example, how would you tag French 'maroquinerie's? See https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=maroquineriesource=lnmstbm=isch . -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
2014-01-29 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop regarding the bag shop it might also be useful to add a reference to shop=leather cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
Dear all, Sorry for taking so long to getting back to this proposal. Thank you for all your comments. I confirm that this discussion does not concern a mechanical/automatic edit. This discussion is only about what the community thinks is the preferred tag, and permission for automatic re-tagging would require a separate discussion. Some people wonder why we need a proposal for these tags, as both tags are existing, well-established tags. However, because a rather significant number of mappers prefers an alternative tagging, I think that it is a good to have a discussion in which both sides can give their arguments (although likely most mappers won't have a strong opinion). The fact that a tag is used most often is a strong reason to prefer it, but in case of strong arguments for the lesser used tag, we might still decide on that one. That happened in the aed/defibrilator case, for example. Considering the tag info box: the proposal infobox contains basically the same information as the tag info box, except the image. If accepted, the info from the proposal infobox would be moved to the tag infobox. Perhaps someone can modify the proposal infobox in a way that it also can contain an image? I don't think duplicating the information would be useful. In any case, I have updated the pages with a bit more information and pictures (although something seems to be wrong with the image link on the bags page). Please let me know if you have ideas what else could be added. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pet_shop Kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
We are talking about two tags which are two different cases: 1. shop=pet seems to be established without voting and there is no need of any proposal but documentation on the wiki is needed. 2. shop=bag is not used much and the numbers are similar e.g. a proposal is useful to document it and decide about singular - plural form. The proposals will not lead to a permission for automatic changes (there are other steps to take) but we should talk to the editors' developers to add the kind of shops and adjust the spelling if needed. cu fly On 05.01.2014 20:27, Janko Mihelić wrote: I think these two are pretty straightforward, no voting needed really. Janko 2014/1/5 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi Matthijs, I agree on your opinion, but I don't imply from that any automatic re-tagging. shop=bag is already documented in German [1] and Russion, the English page is empty yet unfortunately. But I don't think we need a proposal for that. shop=pet is documented as well, in English [2], Spanish, Japanese (? cannot read the page so don't know what exactly is written there), Portuguese and Russian. Forget the proposal and add the corresponding documentation if you want - just my few thoughts. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dbag [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpet regards Peter Am 01.01.2014 22:13, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pet_shop Please let me know what you think. With kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 09.01.2014 15:13, fly wrote: We are talking about two tags which are two different cases: 2. shop=bag is not used much and the numbers are similar e.g. a proposal is useful to document it and decide about singular - plural form. Totally forgot to mention, that this proposal is a stub. Please, add a picture and one or two more lines as description. A tag-info-box would be nice, too. Thanks fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
On 1 January 2014 21:13, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). This message has not received any comments. If you have an opinion on this issue, please let me know. Kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
Hi Matthijs, I agree on your opinion, but I don't imply from that any automatic re-tagging. shop=bag is already documented in German [1] and Russion, the English page is empty yet unfortunately. But I don't think we need a proposal for that. shop=pet is documented as well, in English [2], Spanish, Japanese (? cannot read the page so don't know what exactly is written there), Portuguese and Russian. Forget the proposal and add the corresponding documentation if you want - just my few thoughts. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dbag [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpet regards Peter Am 01.01.2014 22:13, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pet_shop Please let me know what you think. With kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
I think these two are pretty straightforward, no voting needed really. Janko 2014/1/5 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi Matthijs, I agree on your opinion, but I don't imply from that any automatic re-tagging. shop=bag is already documented in German [1] and Russion, the English page is empty yet unfortunately. But I don't think we need a proposal for that. shop=pet is documented as well, in English [2], Spanish, Japanese (? cannot read the page so don't know what exactly is written there), Portuguese and Russian. Forget the proposal and add the corresponding documentation if you want - just my few thoughts. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dbag [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpet regards Peter Am 01.01.2014 22:13, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pet_shop Please let me know what you think. With kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop
Uh, pardon me, what is a bag shop? I know, its a shop selling bags. What kind of bags, hand bags, storage bags, Ziplok bags? On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think these two are pretty straightforward, no voting needed really. Janko 2014/1/5 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi Matthijs, I agree on your opinion, but I don't imply from that any automatic re-tagging. shop=bag is already documented in German [1] and Russion, the English page is empty yet unfortunately. But I don't think we need a proposal for that. shop=pet is documented as well, in English [2], Spanish, Japanese (? cannot read the page so don't know what exactly is written there), Portuguese and Russian. Forget the proposal and add the corresponding documentation if you want - just my few thoughts. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dbag [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpet regards Peter Am 01.01.2014 22:13, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bag_shop http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pet_shop Please let me know what you think. With kind regards, Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
