Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Philip Barnes]

Amenity goes back to the term used by estate agents when describing a property 
as being close to the amenities. The level of which will vary, but in a village 
you expect the four Ps. Pub, Post Office, Primary School and Parish Church.

Living in a small town I would add doctors, cafes, restaurants, library, 
pharmacy and public toilets. A large town/city would add museums

I suppose the amenities, which are considered the must be within walking 
distance will vary from person to person. My town has a launderette, but I have 
never used one in my life so would not personally put it in that amenity space. 
Others may disagree and see it as essential.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Wednesday, 18 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
> 
> Am 18.09.2019 um 09:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> >
> > sent from a phone
> >
> >> On 18. Sep 2019, at 09:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> >>
> >> My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and
> >> assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides
> >> access to clothes washing machines and space, because even a completely
> >> normal laundromat facility is not a shop. In hindsight it should have
> >> always been amenity=laundry (or similar) but that is a done deal.
> >
> > IMHO we shouldn’t ignore classifications. It would be easier to follow your 
> > argument if the tag was indeed amenity=laundry but as it isn’t, the tag 
> > should be used for what in OpenStreetMap is a shop (a business selling 
> > goods or services)
> 
> Then nearly all amenities and leisure objects would be shops, consider
> for example amentity=toilets Which, as you likely know :-), exist both
> in free and paid versions. Providing access to a facility for use,
> regardless if free or not, is not a shop, not even in OSM.
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 10:58 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

> Then nearly all amenities and leisure objects would be shops, consider
> for example amentity=toilets Which, as you likely know :-), exist both
> in free and paid versions. Providing access to a facility for use,
> regardless if free or not, is not a shop, not even in OSM.



laundries may offer additional services, e.g. they will sell washing
powder, might sell sweets and drinks, offer internet access, etc.
Some might also offer ironing and folding the laundry.

I agree that there are cases where shop and amenity would both be suitable,
and automated laundries might fall into this category.

There are also places that are dedicated for doing your laundry but are not
a "shop" because the use is free (and you will handwash your laundry), and
for these "shop=laundry" would not fit, while amenity=laundry would. We
should not exclude the possibility that we put similar features (features
which serve the same purpose) into different categories depending whether
they require a payment or are for free, if this seems natural for mappers.

I would also hesitate to tag a place with a single washing machine, or
maybe 2, as a "laundry", because of the limited capacity, so I believe
having a washing machine tag for camp sites makes sense.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[John Sturdy]

Or if there are steps into the river or lake, or a ladder, that could be
marked.

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019, 03:21 Joseph Eisenberg, 
wrote:

> Creeks and rivers are tricky, since it's hard to confirm whether or
> not they are good for swimming. Tagging sport=swimming on certain
> nodes of a river or stream is sort of like a review or recommendation,
> and these are not good for the main OSM database.
>
> The linked page says 'leisure=swimming_area' is for an "enclosed
> natural water area inside a facility" and the main wiki page for the
> tag says "an officially designated place where you can swim in natural
> water reservoirs such as rivers, lakes or the sea. It could be marked
> by e.g. signs or buoys and/or may be supervised by lifeguards"
>
> So if there is an area for swimming in a lake or pond (or river?) that
> is delimited by floating buoys and ropes, that would be good to map.
>
> If there's a natural=beach you can also map that.
>
> -Joseph
>
> On 9/9/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> > Looks good Joseph.
> >
> > One question, thanks, which has just come to mind while I was updating
> > details on a camp ground.
> >
> > You have swimming_pool=yes/no to say whether the camp ground has a pool
> or
> > not.
> >
> > The place I'm working on (& others that I know) doesn't have a swimming
> > pool, but is on the banks of a creek, to which there is access to swim.
> >
> > Would that also be included under the camp ground in some way, or would
> it
> > be best to just draw the creek in, & possibly mark sport=swimming, or
> > leisure=swimming_area alongside the camp ground?
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Swimming_and_bathing#Natural_water_where_swimming_is_possible
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Graeme
> >
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Simon Poole]

Am 18.09.2019 um 09:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 18. Sep 2019, at 09:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>> My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and
>> assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides
>> access to clothes washing machines and space, because even a completely
>> normal laundromat facility is not a shop. In hindsight it should have
>> always been amenity=laundry (or similar) but that is a done deal.
>
> IMHO we shouldn’t ignore classifications. It would be easier to follow your 
> argument if the tag was indeed amenity=laundry but as it isn’t, the tag 
> should be used for what in OpenStreetMap is a shop (a business selling goods 
> or services)

Then nearly all amenities and leisure objects would be shops, consider
for example amentity=toilets Which, as you likely know :-), exist both
in free and paid versions. Providing access to a facility for use,
regardless if free or not, is not a shop, not even in OSM.

Simon

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 18. Sep 2019, at 09:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> 
> My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and
> assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides
> access to clothes washing machines and space, because even a completely
> normal laundromat facility is not a shop. In hindsight it should have
> always been amenity=laundry (or similar) but that is a done deal.


IMHO we shouldn’t ignore classifications. It would be easier to follow your 
argument if the tag was indeed amenity=laundry but as it isn’t, the tag should 
be used for what in OpenStreetMap is a shop (a business selling goods or 
services)

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Simon Poole]

Am 17.09.2019 um 08:29 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
> I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite.
>
My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and
assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides
access to clothes washing machines and space, because even a completely
normal laundromat facility is not a shop. In hindsight it should have
always been amenity=laundry (or similar) but that is a done deal.

While such misnaming might have mattered a decade ago, when people
mainly used raw tags, today the overwhelming number of contributors
never unintentionally see them and the important thing is what is used
as the name of the preset they are using.

PS: I still haven't got myself to use the hopelessly misnamed
shop=agrarian though :-)




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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Warin]

On 18/09/19 09:02, Paul Allen wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 23:46, brad > wrote:


I think it's valid tag for a campsite,


I think it can be, on larger camp sites, which have several washing 
machines in a

dedicated building.

 It's not much different than any other self service coin operated
laundry.


Yes and no.  Many camp sites charge, and do so with a coin-op 
mechanism.  The problem
is tagging the access.  Those machines are generally available for use 
only by people
staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  
How are you going
to tag that?  We don't have access=campers and access=customers 
doesn't really
make sense because anybody using a coin-op machine is a customer.  
It's possible

we need access=residents,


The campers are customers of the camp-site .. tag the camp-site as 
access customers and then only campers can get to the laundry.


Residents? To me that means people living there, long term. Campers are 
usually tourists, short term.. so not residents.



which would have possible usages in other situations
such as camping site shops (some are open to non-residents) and things 
like
gyms or washing machines in apartment blocks.  But trying to use 
access=* for
anything not related to transport gets a lot of (probably justified) 
dissent.


It gets used for clubs, swimming pools, sporting facilities...
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Warin]

On 18/09/19 09:08, marc marc wrote:

Le 18.09.19 à 01:02, Paul Allen a écrit :

Those machines are generally available for use only by people
staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  How
are you going
to tag that?  We don't have access=campers

access=private private=campers



The campers are customers.

access=customers.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Paul Allen]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 00:09, marc marc  wrote:

> Le 18.09.19 à 01:02, Paul Allen a écrit :
> > Those machines are generally available for use only by people
> > staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  How
> > are you going
> > to tag that?  We don't have access=campers
>
> access=private private=campers
>

Is private=* documented anywhere?  I had a quick look and couldn't find it,
but it's late
and I should be in bed.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[marc marc]

Le 18.09.19 à 01:02, Paul Allen a écrit :
> Those machines are generally available for use only by people
> staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  How 
> are you going
> to tag that?  We don't have access=campers

access=private private=campers
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Paul Allen]

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 23:46, brad  wrote:

> I think it's valid tag for a campsite,


I think it can be, on larger camp sites, which have several washing
machines in a
dedicated building.

 It's not much different than any other self service coin operated laundry.
>

Yes and no.  Many camp sites charge, and do so with a coin-op mechanism.
The problem
is tagging the access.  Those machines are generally available for use only
by people
staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  How
are you going
to tag that?  We don't have access=campers and access=customers doesn't
really
make sense because anybody using a coin-op machine is a customer.  It's
possible
we need access=residents, which would have possible usages in other
situations
such as camping site shops (some are open to non-residents) and things like
gyms or washing machines in apartment blocks.  But trying to use access=*
for
anything not related to transport gets a lot of (probably justified)
dissent.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[brad]

I think it's valid tag for a campsite,   It's not much different than 
any other self service coin operated laundry.


On 9/17/19 4:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 17. Sep 2019, at 08:29, Joseph Eisenberg  wrote:

I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite.


I agree this seems strange, shop=laundry is about a laundry business, while a 
camping is about a camping business and the “laundry service” is secondary (and 
a service of the camp site, not a business on its own).

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 17. Sep 2019, at 08:29, Joseph Eisenberg  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite.


I agree this seems strange, shop=laundry is about a laundry business, while a 
camping is about a camping business and the “laundry service” is secondary (and 
a service of the camp site, not a business on its own).

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Warin]

On 17/09/19 16:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite.

But I suppose washing_machine=yes/no + dryer=yes/no is good enough for
99% of cases.a


Also features at hotels/guest-houses etc... no reason to limit them to camp 
sites.

Example bbqs appear at picnic sties etc.




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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite.

But I suppose washing_machine=yes/no + dryer=yes/no is good enough for
99% of cases.

On 9/17/19, Simon Poole  wrote:
> Do you actually believe that it is a good idea to have people map
> individual washing machines  and dryers (the tag exists for
> washing_machine but is super low use)?
>
> I can see the need to map laundries (and that might have slightly wider
> application than just camp sites), so why not shop=laundry (yes that
> should have probably been amenity=laundry but that's a done deal)  and
> add attribute tags for the number of washing machines and dryers?
>
> Simon
>
> Am 09.09.2019 um 01:52 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
>> Several new and existing property and feature tags for campsites,
>> caravan sites, camp pitches, picnic sites and related tourism features
>> are now open for voting:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties
>>
>> Main changes:
>>
>> - Deprecate booking=* (use reservation=* instead)
>> - Deprecate bbq=* (use barbecue_grill=* instead).
>>
>> There is also a list of new properties and features. These do not yet
>> have wiki pages:
>>
>> - amenity=power_supply
>> - amenity=bear_box
>> - bear_box=yes/no
>> - amenity=greywater_drain
>> - greywater_drain=yes/no
>> - kitchen=yes/no
>> - waste_disposal=yes/no
>> - scout=yes/no
>>
>> See the whole list at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Tagging:_List_of_Proposed_Tags_To_Approve
>>
>> I apologize for including this many tags in the proposal.
>>
>> However, it appears that they are non-controversial since there were
>> no specific negative comments during the RFC, and they are already
>> used at least a few times in the database, so I'm proceeding with
>> voting for them all together to save everyone time.
>>
>> But since I think it's not best practice to include so many tags in
>> one proposal, I've got a special deal for anyone who objects to one of
>> these tags:
>>
>> Just include a comment with your vote stating which tag you oppose and
>> why, and we will consider it "vetoed", and I will bring it up as a
>> separate proposal later which can be discussed in more detail.
>>
>> This could be a comment with a "approve" vote, a "disapprove" vote, or
>> an "abstain", depending on how you feel about the rest of the proposed
>> tags.
>>
>> If you missed the previous discussions about these tags, see
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#External_discussions
>>
>> Here's the link for voting:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Voting
>>
>> -Joseph Eisenberg
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Simon Poole]

Do you actually believe that it is a good idea to have people map
individual washing machines  and dryers (the tag exists for
washing_machine but is super low use)?

I can see the need to map laundries (and that might have slightly wider
application than just camp sites), so why not shop=laundry (yes that
should have probably been amenity=laundry but that's a done deal)  and
add attribute tags for the number of washing machines and dryers?

Simon

Am 09.09.2019 um 01:52 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
> Several new and existing property and feature tags for campsites,
> caravan sites, camp pitches, picnic sites and related tourism features
> are now open for voting:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties
>
> Main changes:
>
> - Deprecate booking=* (use reservation=* instead)
> - Deprecate bbq=* (use barbecue_grill=* instead).
>
> There is also a list of new properties and features. These do not yet
> have wiki pages:
>
> - amenity=power_supply
> - amenity=bear_box
> - bear_box=yes/no
> - amenity=greywater_drain
> - greywater_drain=yes/no
> - kitchen=yes/no
> - waste_disposal=yes/no
> - scout=yes/no
>
> See the whole list at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Tagging:_List_of_Proposed_Tags_To_Approve
>
> I apologize for including this many tags in the proposal.
>
> However, it appears that they are non-controversial since there were
> no specific negative comments during the RFC, and they are already
> used at least a few times in the database, so I'm proceeding with
> voting for them all together to save everyone time.
>
> But since I think it's not best practice to include so many tags in
> one proposal, I've got a special deal for anyone who objects to one of
> these tags:
>
> Just include a comment with your vote stating which tag you oppose and
> why, and we will consider it "vetoed", and I will bring it up as a
> separate proposal later which can be discussed in more detail.
>
> This could be a comment with a "approve" vote, a "disapprove" vote, or
> an "abstain", depending on how you feel about the rest of the proposed
> tags.
>
> If you missed the previous discussions about these tags, see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#External_discussions
>
> Here's the link for voting:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Voting
>
> -Joseph Eisenberg
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Joseph Eisenberg]

The voting period for Campsite_properties will be open for the rest of
this week and until 2019-9-23 (September 23rd). Currently there are 3
people in favor of approval and 1 comment without a vote.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties

- Deprecates booking=* (use reservation=* instead)
 - Deprecates bbq=* (use barbecue_grill=* instead).

New wiki pages:

 - amenity=power_supply
 - amenity=bear_box
 - bear_box=yes/no
 - amenity=greywater_drain
 - greywater_drain=yes/no
 - kitchen=yes/no
 - waste_disposal=yes/no
 - scout=yes/no

And other in-use tags to be approved at:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Tagging:_List_of_Proposed_Tags_To_Approve

Please add comments and vote, especially if you think any of these
tags should NOT be approved:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Voting

-Joseph Eisenberg

On 9/9/19, Joseph Eisenberg  wrote:
> Several new and existing property and feature tags for campsites,
> caravan sites, camp pitches, picnic sites and related tourism features
> are now open for voting:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties
>
> Main changes:
>
> - Deprecate booking=* (use reservation=* instead)
> - Deprecate bbq=* (use barbecue_grill=* instead).
>
> There is also a list of new properties and features. These do not yet
> have wiki pages:
>
> - amenity=power_supply
> - amenity=bear_box
> - bear_box=yes/no
> - amenity=greywater_drain
> - greywater_drain=yes/no
> - kitchen=yes/no
> - waste_disposal=yes/no
> - scout=yes/no
>
> See the whole list at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Tagging:_List_of_Proposed_Tags_To_Approve
>
> I apologize for including this many tags in the proposal.
>
> However, it appears that they are non-controversial since there were
> no specific negative comments during the RFC, and they are already
> used at least a few times in the database, so I'm proceeding with
> voting for them all together to save everyone time.
>
> But since I think it's not best practice to include so many tags in
> one proposal, I've got a special deal for anyone who objects to one of
> these tags:
>
> Just include a comment with your vote stating which tag you oppose and
> why, and we will consider it "vetoed", and I will bring it up as a
> separate proposal later which can be discussed in more detail.
>
> This could be a comment with a "approve" vote, a "disapprove" vote, or
> an "abstain", depending on how you feel about the rest of the proposed
> tags.
>
> If you missed the previous discussions about these tags, see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#External_discussions
>
> Here's the link for voting:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties#Voting
>
> -Joseph Eisenberg
>

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Philip Barnes]

Have not stayed at a campsite that charges for showers for sometime now but 
many require a token, rather than coins.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Tuesday, 10 September 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> >shower:fee=yes
> 
> I believe "yes/no" is better for fee, since the value may change frequently.
> 
>  If you are mapping detailed information about the showers, it would
> be best to map these as a separate node with amenity=shower, if you
> know it's correct location.
> 
> In that case you could use hot_water=yes and fee=yes etc. instead of
> having to use namespacing. See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshower
> 
> The proposal only approves shower=yes/no and amenity=shower but that
> doesn't stop you from using shower=hot and shower:fee=* if you want
> to.
> 
> > capacity:powered / power_supply=30 ?
> 
> While you could do that, if you are getting into that much detail it
> might be better to map each tourism=camp_pitch, if you have time for
> it. Then you can tag each camp_pitch with power_supply individually.
> 
> - Joseph
> 
> On 9/10/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 11:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Another question :-)
> >>
> >
> > & again!
> >
> > There are powered pitches available, but there are only 30 of them (mixture
> > of tent & caravan), while there are virtually unlimited numbers of
> > unpowered pitches.
> >
> > capacity:powered / power_supply=30 ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> >>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Joseph Eisenberg]

>shower:fee=yes

I believe "yes/no" is better for fee, since the value may change frequently.

 If you are mapping detailed information about the showers, it would
be best to map these as a separate node with amenity=shower, if you
know it's correct location.

In that case you could use hot_water=yes and fee=yes etc. instead of
having to use namespacing. See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshower

The proposal only approves shower=yes/no and amenity=shower but that
doesn't stop you from using shower=hot and shower:fee=* if you want
to.

> capacity:powered / power_supply=30 ?

While you could do that, if you are getting into that much detail it
might be better to map each tourism=camp_pitch, if you have time for
it. Then you can tag each camp_pitch with power_supply individually.

- Joseph

On 9/10/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 11:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Another question :-)
>>
>
> & again!
>
> There are powered pitches available, but there are only 30 of them (mixture
> of tent & caravan), while there are virtually unlimited numbers of
> unpowered pitches.
>
> capacity:powered / power_supply=30 ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>>
>

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 11:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> Another question :-)
>

& again!

There are powered pitches available, but there are only 30 of them (mixture
of tent & caravan), while there are virtually unlimited numbers of
unpowered pitches.

capacity:powered / power_supply=30 ?

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 09:53, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> Several new and existing property and feature tags for campsites


Another question :-)

There are hot showers available in a (different) camp ground so shower=hot,
but you have to pay $1 for 5 minutes use, separately to paying to stay at
the camp.

shower:fee=yes / $1? (I guess that should probably be AUD1?)

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Creeks and rivers are tricky, since it's hard to confirm whether or
not they are good for swimming. Tagging sport=swimming on certain
nodes of a river or stream is sort of like a review or recommendation,
and these are not good for the main OSM database.

The linked page says 'leisure=swimming_area' is for an "enclosed
natural water area inside a facility" and the main wiki page for the
tag says "an officially designated place where you can swim in natural
water reservoirs such as rivers, lakes or the sea. It could be marked
by e.g. signs or buoys and/or may be supervised by lifeguards"

So if there is an area for swimming in a lake or pond (or river?) that
is delimited by floating buoys and ropes, that would be good to map.

If there's a natural=beach you can also map that.

-Joseph

On 9/9/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> Looks good Joseph.
>
> One question, thanks, which has just come to mind while I was updating
> details on a camp ground.
>
> You have swimming_pool=yes/no to say whether the camp ground has a pool or
> not.
>
> The place I'm working on (& others that I know) doesn't have a swimming
> pool, but is on the banks of a creek, to which there is access to swim.
>
> Would that also be included under the camp ground in some way, or would it
> be best to just draw the creek in, & possibly mark sport=swimming, or
> leisure=swimming_area alongside the camp ground?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Swimming_and_bathing#Natural_water_where_swimming_is_possible
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Looks good Joseph.

One question, thanks, which has just come to mind while I was updating
details on a camp ground.

You have swimming_pool=yes/no to say whether the camp ground has a pool or
not.

The place I'm working on (& others that I know) doesn't have a swimming
pool, but is on the banks of a creek, to which there is access to swim.

Would that also be included under the camp ground in some way, or would it
be best to just draw the creek in, & possibly mark sport=swimming, or
leisure=swimming_area alongside the camp ground?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Swimming_and_bathing#Natural_water_where_swimming_is_possible


Thanks

Graeme
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