Roy Wallace napsal(a):
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
leisure=garden
garden=residential
Much better. This clearly means you are tagging a particular *type* of garden.
I don't see in what sense is this better - your own remark 'someone
lives in
2010/5/14 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
And the added bonus of abusing leisure=garden tag... Let me one more
time explain what I think is wrong on this tag, so here is an example:
Step two: Which one of these lines better describes the area?
A) Place where flowers and other
call that a yard, not a garden.
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Roy Wallace napsal(a):
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot
2010/5/14 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
That's the part of copied text from wikipedia, that really significantly
changed the meaning of leisure=garden page on OSM wiki. Take a look at
the history, only few weeks ago the content said something completely
different (although it was
On 15 May 2010 05:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I see what you mean (I was confused anyway because I remembered
also a different content ;-) ). Still the old version is IMHO not
useful either. On one hand it is an identical meaning to park. On the
other decorative
2010/5/14 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_garden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_garden
I don't really see what the big deal is, leisure=garden can mean a lot
of different things to a lot of different people, so it needs to be
sub-tagged,
+1
On 15 May 2010 06:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
garden=english_garden|french_garden|japanese_garden|water_garden|horticulture|lawn
-1, this seems pretty inconsequential ;-). If you go for structuring
garden tagging, you cannot mix landcover (lawn), typology (english /
On Sat, 15 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
what if someone decides not to cut his grass? It would IMHO still be a
garden.
My grass is rarely cut (climatic reasons) and we have left the main grassed
area to become /meadow/.
It's not a garden now in any English term, and is a /yard/.
Liz wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
what if someone decides not to cut his grass? It would IMHO still be a
garden.
My grass is rarely cut (climatic reasons) and we have left the main grassed
area to become /meadow/.
It's not a garden now in any English
2010/5/14 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Sat, 15 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
what if someone decides not to cut his grass? It would IMHO still be a
garden.
My grass is rarely cut (climatic reasons) and we have left the main grassed
area to become /meadow/.
It's not a garden now in any
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:
You have animals grazing? Or perhaps you cut it for hay or silage? If
not then it's just an unkempt garden, just letting the grass grow
doesn't make it a meadow, except perhaps in pretentious gardening
programmes :)
I guess you assumed I lived in a
On 15 May 2010 07:04, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I guess you assumed I lived in a city area. I don't.
So if you leave your garden alone it reverts to meadow.
I am no longer supporting a plant monoculture but a variety of plants which
vary with the seasons.
10 years of drought give a low
2010/5/15 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
That's the thing, I'm not convinced that a lawn should be tagged as
leisure=garden just because it's behind a fence around a family house.
To me it isn't the lawn that makes the garden, but the fact that the
garden can be viewed as a
2010/5/15 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
but before neither ;-)
I disagree, it was pretty simple to ask myself if the area is Place
where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured
manner or for scientific purposes. - Botanical garden - yes, Japanese
On 15 May 2010 11:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
and other plants grown in a decorative and structured way, but not if
they were growing herbs or vegetables (but yes again if they were
growing stuff with scientific interest),... ;-)
Market gardens grow vegtables in a
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:
No I didn't assume anything, except that what you have is land attached
to a house. That is a garden. Green or not, maintained or not. Decked,
paved or grassed, cultivated or not. A meadow is agricultural land.
still wrong, the area under discussion
2010/5/13 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
By themselves not, but they are within the residential land and this
tagging proposal follows the scheme like highway=service + service=whatever.
I admit, it's not the best solution, but it is already a proposed
scheme. I don't have a
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
leisure=garden
garden=residential
Much better. This clearly means you are tagging a particular *type* of garden.
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Roy Wallace napsal(a):
2010/5/10 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com
Until there is a better solution I'll use the
proposed scheme of landuse='residential' + residential='garden'.
FWIW, I don't like that. Look at residential=garden...someone lives
in the garden?
Well, yes :) You
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote:
But after a while of searching the wiki, I found
something reasonable... Until there is a better solution I'll use the
proposed scheme of landuse='residential' + residential='garden'.
Landuses are a relatively large-scale, abstract classification.
A typical
I really really don't think it is a good idea to degrade the
leisure='garden' tag to mark everything from a castle garden,
dendrological garden (with or without public access), or e.g. small
Japanese garden belonging to a tea-house, to the extreme case of plain
cut grass in some backyard. Such a
2010/5/10 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com
Until there is a better solution I'll use the
proposed scheme of landuse='residential' + residential='garden'.
FWIW, I don't like that. Look at residential=garden...someone lives
in the garden?
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Please don't confuse land use, what the land is used for, and land
cover, what is the upper most covering on the ground...
Good point. landuse=forest (or tree_farm if locally defined?) is true
even for the week (or
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Jonas Minnberg sas...@gmail.com wrote:
That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that
is green and lies in between buildings, yard is an appropriately vague
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer napsal(a):
2010/5/6 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
To the proposed solutions in this thread:
* highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to
tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag.
sure, for green areas it isn't, for
2010/5/7 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
* surface=grass, surface=lawn, surface=whatever - I don't like this
because what I really want to map is not that my neighbour has a lawn
behind his house, but the fact that there is a private green property
add access=private?
You
2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg sas...@gmail.com:
landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are
either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar).
landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they
may look park-like on the satellite).
For the
On 06/05/2010 13:49, Jonas Minnberg wrote:
Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite
imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really.
My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met
with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of
Jonas Minnberg wrote:
[snip]
landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if
they may look park-like on the satellite).
In the UK we would sometimes call a backyard a garden.
leisure=garden already exists.
Cheers, Chris
On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote:
for the latter
highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags,
e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private.
This would really confuse I think.
This is not confusing, it is simply wrong.
Nobody in his right
On 6 May 2010 22:49, Jonas Minnberg sas...@gmail.com wrote:
landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are
either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar).
landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they
may look park-like on the
2010/5/6 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl:
On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote:
for the latter
highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags,
e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private.
This would really confuse I think.
This is not confusing,
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I think yard is a rather vague word, as it could also be a farmyard,
industrial yard, courtyard, shipyard etc.
That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that
is green and lies in between
2010/5/6 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com:
To the proposed solutions in this thread:
* highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to
tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag.
sure, for green areas it isn't, for paved ones it IMO is.
*
On 7 May 2010 06:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
and maybe also subtags for the use:
a) flower garden
b) fruit and vegetable / kitchen garden
(what tag could suit this? type?)
garden=horticulture ?
horticulture=flowers|vegetables|fruit
Although then you get into all
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Jonas Minnberg sas...@gmail.com wrote:
That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that
is green and lies in between buildings, yard is an appropriately vague word.
You say you only know two things:
1) it is green -- color=green
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