Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:10:29 +0200, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed to a living street. The difference is the very low max speed and sometimes the dividing line on the ground between the cars and pedestrians is removed (then it's like a pedestrian street but cars still have access). How is this different from every residential street in North America? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: How is this different from every residential street in North America? I don't know for US. I just say for what it was originally created in Europe. When I say the max speed is smaller, it's really smaller. See the defaults per country: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed where usually residential is 50 to 60 km/h, the living street is from 7 to 30 km/h (or walk speed). Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:40:55 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:20 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: After having come across a few ways tagged highway=living_street in Troutdale, Oregon; I have to wonder what exactly would qualify such a street as a living street given that we have no such classification in the Americas? Heck, we don't have most of the other OSM highway classifications either, but that doesn't mean we can't think up a use for them :-) Sure we do, crack open the HFCS and translate British English to US English, you've got a really good start. From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. We've got things like that; why not tag them that way? Well, that's what I'm asking...what qualifies? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:33:27 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Maybe US law just hopes that driver would be very reasonable and won't charge at 60 in a backyard :) Clearly you have never encountered someone who is guilty of driving while Californian... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed to a living street. The difference is the very low max speed and sometimes the dividing line on the ground between the cars and pedestrians is removed (then it's like a pedestrian street but cars still have access). Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Pieren wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed to a living street. The difference is the very low max speed and sometimes the dividing line on the ground between the cars and pedestrians is removed (then it's like a pedestrian street but cars still have access). I've tagged one in my efforts. It had a lower max speed, and a particular sign which explains what I thought a living street would be http://www.advancedroadsigns.com.au/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDesc=NPhotoURL=//images.advancedroadsigns.com.au/R4-4-2.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: In fact it can be called also a living zone. Mostly it is European thing, according to wiki. There are not as many in US but they exist. I am aware of a pair of ways in NYC's old Fort Hamilton, Brooklyn neighborhood that are not yet tagged as such in Tiger Import but probably would qualify. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5680520 # highway: residential # name: Lafayette Walk # tiger:cfcc: A41 # tiger:county: Kings, NY http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677149 # highway: residential # name: Hamilton Walk Houses' front doors are on the named pedestrian way / garden walk that opens off 94th St. Rear doors are on one of three service alleys. Only for the SE side of Lafayette is the alley usable as mews (car parking), although the others appear wide enough for narrowest of delivery. Residents otherwise have on-street parking on 94th St or sensibly avail themselves of public, bicycle and ambulatory transit. (I haven't been there so do not claim authority for retagging -- I used Google Earth for researching uncle's uncle who lived there from before the 1930 census until reactivated for WW2. ) Wasn't Reston VA to be built along such lines ? -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:20 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: After having come across a few ways tagged highway=living_street in Troutdale, Oregon; I have to wonder what exactly would qualify such a street as a living street given that we have no such classification in the Americas? Heck, we don't have most of the other OSM highway classifications either, but that doesn't mean we can't think up a use for them :-) From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. We've got things like that; why not tag them that way? - Alan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
