Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
I suggested on the pistemap discussion page to move the page to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Piste_Maps Along with creating a proposal on its own for 'landuse=winter_sports' About this, piste:boundary= is discussed on the discussion page. There is also a proposal for site=piste relation, allowing for creating a fuzzy area as wanted. Skiing area and ski resort proposal could also be discussed. Let's make it another subject. Yves On 02/25/2014 11:59 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: On 25.02.14 22:27, Janko Mihelić wrote: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. Agreed. This probably is an area where grass is growing. Maybe it is used as a meadow in summer, maybe this is covered with straw, maybe it is used to produce hay. This could only be tagged additionally: this is grass here plus it is used for winter sports in winter, if there's snow there. But the latter seems not even necessary to me, as there of course should be some kind of piste way on this area that would indicate that this (part of the) area is used as a piste (so it's winter sports). /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
I have a few objections about that proposal: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First, landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski resort, and it isn't used for winter sports. Second, the areas are going to be arbitrary because ski resorts don't have explicit borders as far as I know. aerialway=mixed_lift This value is a bit vague. How are you going to tag aerialway:occupancy of both types of lifts? What if there is a mixed lift with chairs that have 4 seats and chairs that have 2 seats? I have a feeling only relations can tag this right, but maybe there is a better solution. Other than those, the proposal looks ok to me. Janko 2014-02-25 20:58 GMT+01:00 yvecai yve...@gmail.com: Is there any objection to move this page out of the Proposed features? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps This is widely used, and the page is stable for long now. From time to time some opensnowmap.org users feels like they shouldn't use it because of its 'proposal' look on the wiki. Also, maybe a few changes could be proposed, but it would be easier to first settle this wiki page in the 'accepted' ones. If there is no objection, and someone knows how to do, please do. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
Interesting. . . I've only skied in the US and Canada and mostly in the western US. Most if not all the alpine/downhill ski areas I've been to have very definitely marked boundaries. There are backcountry and cross country/nordic skiing areas I've been to where the boundaries are vague and unmarked. So to state ski areas don't have explicit borders would be incorrect in my part of the world. Nothing saying one has to put a landuse=winter_sports polygon around an area that is ill-defined, but you should do so if the area is well marked. I am in favor of migrating the proposed piste maps page to a regular page. -Tod On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: I have a few objections about that proposal: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First, landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski resort, and it isn't used for winter sports. Second, the areas are going to be arbitrary because ski resorts don't have explicit borders as far as I know. aerialway=mixed_lift This value is a bit vague. How are you going to tag aerialway:occupancy of both types of lifts? What if there is a mixed lift with chairs that have 4 seats and chairs that have 2 seats? I have a feeling only relations can tag this right, but maybe there is a better solution. Other than those, the proposal looks ok to me. Janko 2014-02-25 20:58 GMT+01:00 yvecai yve...@gmail.com: Is there any objection to move this page out of the Proposed features? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps This is widely used, and the page is stable for long now. From time to time some opensnowmap.org users feels like they shouldn't use it because of its 'proposal' look on the wiki. Also, maybe a few changes could be proposed, but it would be easier to first settle this wiki page in the 'accepted' ones. If there is no objection, and someone knows how to do, please do. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
Janko, I think you understood: I posted here because the proposal is
widely used, and pretty stable for a long time. It hasn't undergone any
voting process whatsoever, but here it is (in km):
{
downhill: 24105,
nordic: 29593,
aerialway: 16051,
skitour: 1171,
sled: 931 ,
snowshoeing: 356,
date: 2014-02-25T03:01:02Z
}
Settling this as a wiki page instead of a proposal is just recognising
this mapping effort. 931 km of sled pistes, mind you !
The page is huge, and there is maybe some change to be made about a few
points. Also, other proposals or tags can be found from the winter
sports wiki page.
Discussion can then undergo to change a few tags if needed.
Yves
On 02/25/2014 10:27 PM, Janko Mihelic' wrote:
I have a few objections about that proposal:
landuse=winter_sports
I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First,
landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be
right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski resort, and it
isn't used for winter sports. Second, the areas are going to be
arbitrary because ski resorts don't have explicit borders as far as I
know.
aerialway=mixed_lift
This value is a bit vague. How are you going to tag
aerialway:occupancy of both types of lifts? What if there is a mixed
lift with chairs that have 4 seats and chairs that have 2 seats? I
have a feeling only relations can tag this right, but maybe there is a
better solution.
Other than those, the proposal looks ok to me.
Janko
2014-02-25 20:58 GMT+01:00 yvecai yve...@gmail.com
mailto:yve...@gmail.com:
Is there any objection to move this page out of the Proposed features?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps
This is widely used, and the page is stable for long now. From
time to time some opensnowmap.org http://opensnowmap.org users
feels like they shouldn't use it because of its 'proposal' look on
the wiki.
Also, maybe a few changes could be proposed, but it would be
easier to first settle this wiki page in the 'accepted' ones.
If there is no objection, and someone knows how to do, please do.
Yves
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Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
On 2/25/14 4:27 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: I have a few objections about that proposal: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First, landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski resort, and it isn't used for winter sports. Second, the areas are going to be arbitrary because ski resorts don't have explicit borders as far as I know. many of the ski areas here in the northeast US work hard at coming up with uses for their facilities during the summer. it's not good business to let everything sit idle. so i agree on this point, landuse=winter_sports is too confining and doesn't match up well with real world usage. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal
On 25.02.14 22:27, Janko Mihelić wrote: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. Agreed. This probably is an area where grass is growing. Maybe it is used as a meadow in summer, maybe this is covered with straw, maybe it is used to produce hay. This could only be tagged additionally: this is grass here plus it is used for winter sports in winter, if there's snow there. But the latter seems not even necessary to me, as there of course should be some kind of piste way on this area that would indicate that this (part of the) area is used as a piste (so it's winter sports). /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
