Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:02 PM, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: From my experience in the USA, prepay is only available by going inside and paying the clerk. If it turns out you didn't have enough room in your fuel tank for the amount you prepaid for, you go inside a second time and

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:47 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue Jun 9 13:23:05 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe)

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:38 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: P brands (Arco, Amoco, BP, Aral, am/pm, Wild Bean) usually make you go inside anyway and don't let you pay at the pump. A long time ago the self pumps

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 07:15 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:47 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Why worry, the ANPR cameras will get you anyway. I'd honestly be surprised if those are widely employed, because they're damn near useless. There's well over 200

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 13:02 -0500, John Eldredge wrote: From my experience in the USA, prepay is only available by going inside and paying the clerk. If it turns out you didn't have enough room in your fuel tank for the amount you prepaid for, you go inside a second time and get a refund.

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread John Willis
On Jun 11, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: The only stations I know of that still do post-pay are RaceWay stations (or it might have been RaceTrac, it's been a while) and those require you to swipe a (store-issued) ID card at the pump first. In Japan, a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 13:07 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* than self service because they're not having to foot the bill for untrained and unknown people handling hazardous

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread johnw
On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* The idea that a human costs less than a credit card reader built in the pump is an intriguing proposition

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and cleaning your windows as part of the price included; and (sometimes, if they're fishing for

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). Nope! You're conflating minimum

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 13:17 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is someone who does work for you, while in self you will do it and nobody has

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 14:47 GMT+02:00 p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Do they give change? Otherwise how do you know how much to prepay? actually this is just one type of petrol stations, a small typology for the city, there's lots of them, without a roof, it is just a very small cabin and 2 pumps. During

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread John Willis
On Jun 9, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: P brands (Arco, Amoco, BP, Aral, am/pm, Wild Bean) usually make you go inside anyway and don't let you pay at the pump. A long time ago the self pumps were crap - but i have never seen pufdles of fuel anywhere. Now

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and cleaning your

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is someone who does work for you, while in self you will do it and nobody

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* The idea that a human costs less than a credit

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread phil
On Tue Jun 9 13:23:05 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-08 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2015-06-08 at 13:49 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). The tag self_service=yes is already used for gas