Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
I don't think we should have tags for particular proprietary services. Instead, a URL to various pages can be given in the url tag, with ; if necessary. pgpejuxb2fe5M.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
Why use contact: here, when it's not used by the majority anywhere else. +1 2014-08-29 22:46 GMT-03:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: I don't want to change the addr:-, website-, phone-, fax- or email-key!!! I never said it. As Tobias pointed out, we have to look at the bigger pucture. Why use contact: here, when it's not used by the majority anywhere else. The contact-namespace associate, that the defined facebook- or googleplus-page are a medium to communicate with the defined object. I know a lot facebook-pages, who are created from fans or generated from a wikipedia-pages. That are mostly not a communication channel. But those unofficial (fan) pages should not be linked anyway. It would always be the official page. In addition even a lot of those pages are not really used for communication, so that seems even more like a argument against contact:, especially as mappers are not going to first figure out which company replies on google+ and which doesn't. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
It can be done easily with JOSM, you just need to download all nodes/ways/relations, select them all and rename the offending tags in one go. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas -- sorry for my bad english... Andreas Neumann http://map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
Am 29.08.2014 um 11:48 schrieb Éric Gillet: It can be done easily with JOSM, you just need to download all nodes/ways/relations, select them all and rename the offending tags in one go. I know, how to do it: 1. Download via Overpass 2. Open the file in JOSM 3. Change the keys But I have to ask on Tagging or Talk, if I'll make a global change. Andreas -- Andreas Neumann http://map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas -- sorry for my bad english... Andreas Neumann http://map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. I think that's usually fine. I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus change them in contact:facebook I'm not in support of this though. contact: is not commonly used and I don't think is has that much support either. For addresses most people use addr:, phone= and website= are much more popular than contact:phone/website=. So I really don't see a reason why we should use contact: for social media. facebook=*, google_plus=* works just fine in my opinion and it's also what a lot of mappers use. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
The problem is the + and the space sign. Both are bad chars for a key. Maybe someone can tell why. [http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact%3Agoogle%20%2B] Andreas On 29.08.2014 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net mailto:andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas -- sorry for my bad english... Andreas Neumann http://Map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
The character plus (+) is an unusual character for keys indeed. I believe it's because people usually say x=y + a=b when talking about a combination of two tags. 2014-08-29 11:36 GMT-03:00 Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net: The problem is the + and the space sign. Both are bad chars for a key. Maybe someone can tell why. [http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact%3Agoogle%20%2B] Andreas On 29.08.2014 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net mailto:andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas -- sorry for my bad english... Andreas Neumann http://Map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
I note that the domain name for Google+ is plus.google.com, so there is no objection to substituting 'plus' for '+' in some way. Steve On 29/08/2014 15:36, Andreas Neumann wrote: The problem is the + and the space sign. Both are bad chars for a key. Maybe someone can tell why. [http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact%3Agoogle%20%2B] Andreas On 29.08.2014 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net mailto:andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
Hi, I disagree. Example: https://plus.google.com/+ConciergeCleanersCo is the same like https://google.com/+ConciergeCleanersCo And there are a lot of other URL-schema. Andreas On 29.08.2014 19:49, Steve Doerr wrote: I note that the domain name for Google+ is plus.google.com, so there is no objection to substituting 'plus' for '+' in some way. Steve On 29/08/2014 15:36, Andreas Neumann wrote: The problem is the + and the space sign. Both are bad chars for a key. Maybe someone can tell why. [http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact%3Agoogle%20%2B] Andreas On 29.08.2014 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net mailto:andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas -- Andreas Neumann http://Map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
On 29.08.2014 12:44, Andreas Goss wrote: I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. I think that's usually fine. I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus change them in contact:facebook I'm not in support of this though. contact: is not commonly used and I don't think is has that much support either. For addresses most people use addr:, phone= and website= are much more popular than contact:phone/website=. So I really don't see a reason why we should use contact: for social media. facebook=*, google_plus=* works just fine in my opinion and it's also what a lot of mappers use. OK, I don't want to change the addr:-, website-, phone-, fax- or email-key!!! I never said it. The contact-namespace associate, that the defined facebook- or googleplus-page are a medium to communicate with the defined object. I know a lot facebook-pages, who are created from fans or generated from a wikipedia-pages. That are mostly not a communication channel. Andreas -- Andreas Neumann http://Map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
That's as may be. But the widget Google gives you to switch between their various apps uses a URL beginning https://plus.google.com to switch to Google+. At least, it does for me. Steve On 29/08/2014 19:07, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi, I disagree. Example: https://plus.google.com/+ConciergeCleanersCo is the same like https://google.com/+ConciergeCleanersCo And there are a lot of other URL-schema. Andreas On 29.08.2014 19:49, Steve Doerr wrote: I note that the domain name for Google+ is plus.google.com, so there is no objection to substituting 'plus' for '+' in some way. Steve On 29/08/2014 15:36, Andreas Neumann wrote: The problem is the + and the space sign. Both are bad chars for a key. Maybe someone can tell why. [http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/contact%3Agoogle%20%2B] Andreas On 29.08.2014 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: This all seems sensible, with the exception that I can only ever recall seeing the former referred to as Google +, and I think most people will use the + sign. On Aug 29, 2014 10:39 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net mailto:andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I would like to unify the keys for google-plus-pages of objects in the Database. In TagInfo I found this variants: contact:google+ contact:google_plus link:google_plus contact:google Google + Google Plus Google+ contact:googleplus contact:google + GooglePlus googleplus contatc:google+ google business [https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=google] I would like to change the Keys in contact:google_plus [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. I found also some Facebook-keys (with uppercase F). I would like to change them in contact:facebook [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact]. The same with Twitter (- contact:twitter). And I would like to move the social-network-links link:[facebook|twitter] in the contact-namespace. Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
On 29.08.2014 20:09, Andreas Neumann wrote: I don't want to change the addr:-, website-, phone-, fax- or email-key!!! I never said it. But we have to look at these to decide whether it's better to move towards the contact namespace as a whole or move away from it. It makes little sense to move a couple keys toward contact: when the general trend is to avoid its use. In a similar discussion recently, I summed up the popularity of the keys with and without contact: prefix. As of the 25th of July, the taginfo numbers were: no contact prefix: 1033228 contact prefix: 154241 The contact-namespace associate, that the defined facebook- or googleplus-page are a medium to communicate with the defined object. I know a lot facebook-pages, who are created from fans or generated from a wikipedia-pages. That are mostly not a communication channel. There is no difference in meaning between contact:website and website, both do _not_ allow fan-made pages. This should make it obvious that the contact namespace does not imply a different meaning, it is simply a way of organizing keys. One that most mappers don't use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
I don't want to change the addr:-, website-, phone-, fax- or email-key!!! I never said it. As Tobias pointed out, we have to look at the bigger pucture. Why use contact: here, when it's not used by the majority anywhere else. The contact-namespace associate, that the defined facebook- or googleplus-page are a medium to communicate with the defined object. I know a lot facebook-pages, who are created from fans or generated from a wikipedia-pages. That are mostly not a communication channel. But those unofficial (fan) pages should not be linked anyway. It would always be the official page. In addition even a lot of those pages are not really used for communication, so that seems even more like a argument against contact:, especially as mappers are not going to first figure out which company replies on google+ and which doesn't. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
