[Tails-dev] [Was: Tails]

2016-09-19 Thread anonym
Sukhbir Singh:
> In case you missed it, we just released Tor Messenger 0.2.0b2, the first
> release with the secure updater.
> 
> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-messenger-020b2-released
> 
> One of the long-terms goals when we started was to replace Pidgin with Tor
> Messenger as the standard choice for an XMPP/chat client.  (In the context of
> Tails, there is https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/8577 and the discussions
> in #tor-messenger.)
> 
> While we are still in beta and will be before we get an audit, we were
> wondering about the status of Tor Messenger integration in Tails (assuming it
> is planned) and if there is a specific issue(s) that may be blocking this.

Except the ticket you linked to, we have a blueprint for replacing Pidgin:

https://tails.boum.org/blueprint/replace_Pidgin/

My read is that of it is that Tor Messenger is the most promising
candidate given the requirements listed, but I cannot say its
integration is "planned". I suppose the main problem is Tor Messenger's
lack of regular security updates trickling down from Thunderbird. If
this changed and it went stable, and it was clearer that it would remain
maintained for the foreseeable future (I only mention this because IIRC
you talked about this being a problem before, mainly because of lack of
funding), I see very little reason not to migrate ASAP. :)

Of course, the IM landscape is a bit crazy, with tons of protocols and
accompanying single-protocol clients popping up and disappearing. I'm
wondering a bit if some improvement over XMPP/IRC + OTR will be the
preferred way to do secure IM after the dust settles, and whether Tor
Messenger will add support for such new solutions. That would be ideal
-- One Client To Rule Them All! :)

Cheers!

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Re: [Tails-dev] Ticket 7500

2016-09-19 Thread anonym
u:
> Hi,
> 
> Justin:
>> Hi, 15 days ago, ticket 7500 was updated.  The target year was 2017,
>> but this was removed.  What does this mean?  Are we any closer to
>> having a greeter that can be used with Orca? 
> 
> No, that simply means that we removed this from the roadmap for 2017.

Unofficially speaking, I've heard there has been successful tests of
using Orca in the revamped Greeter [0], so we probably will see this in
2017 any way. The roadmap change simply reflects that no one explicitly
has committed to make it happen.

Cheers!

[0] https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/5464

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Re: [Tails-dev] [tor-talk] Tor Browser 6.0.5 Released Early

2016-09-19 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:27:52PM -0400, Random User wrote:
> I'm just wondering what accounts for TB 6.0.5 being released at least
> several days ahead of the date announced (20 Sept.)

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-browser-605-released
has your answer (and is also the page that Tor Browser pointed
you to after the update, I hope).

Thanks!
--Roger

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Re: [Tails-dev] Tor Browser 6.0.5 Released Early

2016-09-19 Thread anonym
Random User:
> Hi,
> 
> Late last week ( no later than 17 September) my Tor Browser updated
> itself (after prompting me) to 6.0.5. Yet, the changelog (
> /tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/ChangeLog.txt ) gives the
> release date as September 20th (future date). 
> 
> Likewise,  a September 12th email sent to the Tails-dev list with the
> subject, "New release schedule for Tails 2.6",  begins, 
> 
>> So Mozilla has decided to delay the upcoming Firefox release until
>> 2016-09-20, so the upcoming Tor Browser (6.0.5) is delayed as much, and
>> hence Tails should follow suit. 
> 
> I'm just wondering what accounts for TB 6.0.5 being released at least
> several days ahead of the date announced (20 Sept.)

Mozilla badly messed up their certificate pinning, details can be found
here:

http://seclists.org/dailydave/2016/q3/51

So the Tor Browser developers decided (rightly) to release early since
Tor Browser enables automatic add-on update checks, which combined with
the above makes all its users open to remote code execution by any
adversary able to forge the addons.mozilla.org certificate (so any
Certificate Authority, nation state, your neighbour and his dog,
essentially). Tails' Tor Browser does not have automatic update checks
enabled (and we actively discourage users for messing with add-ons),
however, so we opted to not change the release date yet again.

And yes: this means that all Firefox users are still vulnerable to this
until they hopefully update Firefox tomorrow...

Cheers!

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[Tails-dev] Tor Browser 6.0.5 Released Early

2016-09-19 Thread Random User
Hi,

Late last week ( no later than 17 September) my Tor Browser updated
itself (after prompting me) to 6.0.5. Yet, the changelog (
/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/ChangeLog.txt ) gives the
release date as September 20th (future date). 

Likewise,  a September 12th email sent to the Tails-dev list with the
subject, "New release schedule for Tails 2.6",  begins, 

> So Mozilla has decided to delay the upcoming Firefox release until
> 2016-09-20, so the upcoming Tor Browser (6.0.5) is delayed as much, and
> hence Tails should follow suit. 

I'm just wondering what accounts for TB 6.0.5 being released at least
several days ahead of the date announced (20 Sept.)
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