Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 05:36:11PM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > CASE: FRACTAL DESIGN VS SILVERSTONE > > The case originally specified: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) has a door > that covers the entire front of the case. There is exposure to damage to an > optical drive, if th

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On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 04:11:53PM -0400, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > Verify phase. > You make me laugh. > HAHAHA. It's hard to do afterwards, since the data on the disk could have changed after you copied it unless of course you have enough space to stage the entire backup before writing it to

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Greetings To GTALUG Members, Having gratefully received an avalanche of helpful postings from GTALUG members, and based on that advice, I provide below a summary of the revisions to the original specification of components, for the new desktop PC. Please find attached a PDF summary of the revis

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On 08/10/2016 04:23 PM, James Knott wrote: On 08/10/2016 04:11 PM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: I did not write the code if I did then there would likely have been a verify phase. Some people kind of expect when you tell the drive to write the data its just written and if it were not there would

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On 08/10/2016 04:11 PM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I did not write the code if I did then there would likely have been a > verify phase. > Some people kind of expect when you tell the drive to write the data > its just written and if it were not there would be an error. Kind of > like disk drive

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more comments in line. On 08/10/2016 03:31 PM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: Hello Alvin, Please see my comments inline below. [snip] On 4mm backups. There was a customer who used a 4mm backup and backed up every night. The one thing someone forgot to tell them was to replace the tape

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Hello Alvin, Please see my comments inline below. Steve apet...@aspetrie.net - Original Message - From: "Alvin Starr via talk" To: "James Knott" ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Stewart, Thanks for your message. Please see my comments inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Stewart C. Russell via talk" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; On 201

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

| From: James Knott via talk | On 08/09/2016 04:12 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: | > I've given up on the use of tape. I use external hard drives for backup. | | You should always back up with tar to 9 track tape stands, the way the | computer gods intended. ;-) I did. Now I cannot read th

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On 08/09/2016 04:15 PM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 08/09/2016 04:12 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: I've given up on the use of tape. I use external hard drives for backup. You should always back up with tar to 9 track tape stands, the way the computer gods intended. ;-) --- Talk Mailing

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On 08/09/2016 04:12 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > I've given up on the use of tape. I use external hard drives for backup. You should always back up with tar to 9 track tape stands, the way the computer gods intended. ;-) --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listi

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On 16-08-09 03:54 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: On 2016-08-09 09:35 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: On the Windows XP PC that is going to be replaced by the new Linux PC, the DDS-3 DAT SCSI tape drive has died, that does backup duty for the HDD. Died too soon by only a couple

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On 2016-08-09 09:35 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > > On the Windows XP PC that is going to be replaced by the new Linux PC, > the DDS-3 DAT SCSI tape drive has died, that does backup duty for the > HDD. Died too soon by only a couple of months -- !@#$%^&*(!! Better to spend $90 on som

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Alvin, Thanks for your response. Please see my comments inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Alvin Starr" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

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Tape drives are hard to come by these days. Have you thought about a USB drive for backup? Or a NAS box. There are several inexpensive 1 and 2 drive NAS enclosures that you can get to put on your local network. Having network storage is always handy for things like running as a media server.

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Greetings To GTALUG Members, A setback has occurred in my project to acquire a new Linux PC. On the Windows XP PC that is going to be replaced by the new Linux PC, the DDS-3 DAT SCSI tape drive has died, that does backup duty for the HDD. Died too soon by only a couple of months -- !@#$%^&*(!!

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Aug 1, 2016 11:05 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > > Hello Hugh, > > > >> >> Business desktops often seem to support VGA and DisplayPort. DVI is >> disappearing faster than VGA and HDMI isn't generally supported. This >> might affect the choice of monitor. >> > > > Hmmm -- thank

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On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 11:31:55AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Well, I like HDMI/DVI. I have a HDMI & USB KWM switch that works well. > My desktop has a DVI port and my notebook computer, along with a Rogers > cable box, have HDMI. A simple HDMI/DVI adapter works well between the > KVM and deskt

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On 08/02/2016 10:51 AM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > Well I like displayport. Well, I like HDMI/DVI. I have a HDMI & USB KWM switch that works well. My desktop has a DVI port and my notebook computer, along with a Rogers cable box, have HDMI. A simple HDMI/DVI adapter works well between th

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On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:05:26AM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > I'd better check my research, re: Intel on-chip video support, versus the > monitor I have chosen: > > LG 22MB35DM-I 21.5" Monitor Full HD 1080p 1920x1080 IPS LED Back-lit, DVI-D, > D-Sub, > contrast ratios: (static 1

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:12:51PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > Business desktops often seem to support VGA and DisplayPort. DVI is > disappearing faster than VGA and HDMI isn't generally supported. This > might affect the choice of monitor. Well I like displayport. Most machines

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On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 10:54:24AM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > Thanks for this !! Looks very promising !! > > Seems that USB support for modems is being kept up-to-date in Linux, as the > usb modem driver source code is present in linux 3.16 kernel (used by debian > 8): > > dr

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 01:27:55AM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > So for me, HylaFAX is a cumbersome last-resort workaround, if I can't find > any easier way to get a dial-up modem working under Linux. Hylafax won't make a modem that doesn't have linux drivers work with linux. The

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:07:06AM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > Based on earlier GTALUG advice (from Lennart) that the front door on the > Fractal Design case (if closed) is inviting a self-ejecting optical drive to > destroy itself, I already decided to drop the Fractal Design cas

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On 01/08/16 11:05 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: I'd better check my research, re: Intel on-chip video support, versus the monitor I have chosen: LG 22MB35DM-I 21.5" Monitor Full HD 1080p 1920x1080 IPS LED Back-lit, DVI-D, D-Sub, contrast ratios: (static 1,000:1), (dynamic 5M:1), rea

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

GTALUG Talk" > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; > > >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk >> wrote: >> snip > > > > >> I cannot

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On 08/01/2016 12:49 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > Now that I think on it, didn't you mention earlier on this thread, > getting access to a mobile device (cell phone?) modem from Linux? > > Yes that's true. Most GSM phone devices can physically tether for file > transfers, a very few cann

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Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." < apet...@aspetrie.net> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; > > >> On Jul 30, 2016 1:28 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" >> wrote

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Hugh, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" To: "Russell Reiter" ; "GTALUG Talk" Cc: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [G

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Loui, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Loui Chang" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Christopher, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Christopher Browne" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Dee, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "o1bigtenor" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To

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> > Perhaps the price seems high, because my desire for longevity, cool-running reliability and expandability has motivated specification of: > > [1] powerful air-cooled CPU cooler with sealed convection heat pipes; > [2] power supply will still operate well below maximum output capacity, with add

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:12:51PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > Business desktops often seem to support VGA and DisplayPort. DVI is > disappearing faster than VGA and HDMI isn't generally supported. This > might affect the choice of monitor. And, all my monitors are DVI, and my vi

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

| From: Russell Reiter via talk | > So, if I buy a white box (e.g. Dell) I'll have to wipe the HDD and start | again, | | Dell is a branded manufacturer. OEM whiteboxes are usually assembled by a | local integrator, or yourself, from branded and or unbranded parts you | source out. Russell's ex

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Mon 25 Jul 2016 10:47 -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > I'm working to replace an old Dell Windows XP SP3 PC with a new PC, booting > Debian Linux 8 as the primary OS, with Win 7 set up to run under QEMU / KVM > vbirtualization under Debian. A multi-boot setup will allow booting Wind

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Vis a vis the email part, I would think it possible that it should be pretty easy to replicate IMAP locally. I haven't used this in several years, but have installed and used a system called offlineimap (see http://www.offlineimap.org/) which made it relatively easy to duplicate IMAP repositories

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> > So, if I buy a white box (e.g. Dell) I'll have to wipe the HDD and start again, Dell is a branded manufacturer. OEM whiteboxes are usually assembled by a local integrator, or yourself, from branded and or unbranded parts you source out. > If I can't get the white box vendor's ironclad assu

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Hello Daniel, Thanks for your message. Please see my comments inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Daniel Villarreal" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Hugh, Thanks for your message. Please see my comments inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Jul 30, 2016 1:28 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > > So for me, HylaFAX is a cumbersome last-resort workaround, if I can't find any easier way to get a dial-up modem working under Linux. > This device looks promising to me. New Old Stock is the reason I go to Above All etc. http

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: snip > > If I can't get the white box vendor's ironclad assurance of hardware > compatibility with Linux, I could wind up stuck with a PC I can't use. I > agree it's a small risk. But the advent of "secure boot" and UEFI make m

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Loui, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Loui Chang" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Hugh, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Clifford, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "CLIFFORD ILKAY via talk" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; On 28/07/16 01:50

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Lennart, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Lennart, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Lennart, Thanks for your message. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Dear Mr. Petrie, Good to see your inquiry on the list... On 25/07/16 10:47 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > ... *BACKGROUND -- BUILDING DEBIAN 8 PC TO REPLACE WIN XP PC* > > ... replace Dell XP SP3 PC with a new PC, booting Debian Linu

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| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" | 1. Contrary to my earlier assertion, NCIX in fact has included an item for: |Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition 64Bit DVD SP1 OEM |Price C$187.99 [Reg. C$214.98] If you buy Win 7 pro, in a bundle, from a big manufacturer, you can save most

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Thanks to GTALUG Members, for the last series of emails I fetched on this thread. Many useful ideas and much interesting info. Copious snippets have been carefully collected into a text file. * * * * * * I have reviewed the quotation I received from NCIX, and can report: 1. Contrary to my ear

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:09:41 -0400 Mike via talk wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:49 AM, ac via talk wrote: > WordPerfect was so the best, (so was playing with lantastic and > > arcnet :) ), > > > Arcnet? Sheesh. Towards the end of Arcnet's tenure, we had become so > tired of the flakiness that

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Jul 28, 2016 6:29 PM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: > > | From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" > > | - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" > > | > The hylafax site has a good list of Linux comparable modems. > | > > | > http://www.hylafax.org/site1/modems.html > | > > |

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu 28 Jul 2016 13:51 -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > I would need two portable backup hard drives (one on-site and one > off-site). I estimate a cost of $375 for a SCSI controller card together > with a (used) VXA tape drive. Plus the cost of tape cartridges, of > course. So I'll

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" | - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" | > The hylafax site has a good list of Linux comparable modems. | > | > http://www.hylafax.org/site1/modems.html | > | | Brilliant !! | | >From what I see at the site, this product looks very promis

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On Jul 28, 2016 1:51 PM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > > > Interesting. And encouraging. Maybe I can hold out a while longer, and keep using dial-up with the new Linux PC, postponing the extra expense of DSL versus dial-up. I pay today $15 / mo. (+taxes) for dial-up access. My ISP (Sta

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On 28/07/16 01:50 PM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: Interesting. And encouraging. Maybe I can hold out a while longer, and keep using dial-up with the new Linux PC, postponing the extra expense of DSL versus dial-up. I pay today $15 / mo. (+taxes) for dial-up access. My ISP (Start.ca) wa

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 01:49:29PM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > The first big porting task will be to convert my Outlook Express mail > folders (2.38 GB) to Thunderbird on Linux. And then start using the > Linux PC for my email. Why am I thinking: Setup an IMAP server, point outl

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 01:51:33PM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > "Easy, fast, reliable" sounds pretty tempting to me. > > Thanks to advice from GTALUG, I'm prettly close to abandoning my > nostalgic love for SCSI tape backup :) > > If I can be comfortable with portable hard drive

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On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talkAlso FYI Tuesdays after 6pm is the open house. >> https://hacklab.to/ >> >> > I looked at the website -- amazing !! Reminds me of my 1960s "hippie > commune" days. Only Hacklab seems much more grown-up and productive of > real results,

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 01:44:23PM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > The beautiful Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) case I have specified, is > definitely brand name. It does look very nice. It violates just one of my case rules. It has a door in front of the optical drive. I don't

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Jul 28, 2016 1:48 PM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > Just curious -- did you build those "couple of hundred builds" all for > personal use? No, probably the first 50 in the early 90's were all DOS & WIN 8088 - 80486 from obsoleted IBM business units. Pick and patch so to speak. Som

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Giles, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Giles Orr via talk" To: "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; O

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "D. Hugh Redelmeier" Cc: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:32 AM Subject:

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Hugh, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building De

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Lennart, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen via talk" To: "Loui Chang" Cc: "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Deb

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Lennart, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building De

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

Hello Russell, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Russell Reiter" To: "GTALUG Talk" ; "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building De

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:49 AM, ac via talk wrote: WordPerfect was so the best, (so was playing with lantastic and > arcnet :) ), > > Arcnet? Sheesh. Towards the end of Arcnet's tenure, we had become so tired of the flakiness that we had soldered the twisted pair to all the network cards. If yo

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:17:28 -0400 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > On 07/28/2016 08:15 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > On Jul 27, 2016 11:20 PM, "William Park via talk" > > wrote: > > > I'll give opposite advice from the rest. Stay with Windows. > > > - Windows c

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On 07/28/2016 08:15 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: On Jul 27, 2016 11:20 PM, "William Park via talk" > wrote: > > I'll give opposite advice from the rest. Stay with Windows. > - Windows comes free with all retail computers, fully configured. Windows does not c

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Ivan Avery Frey via talk wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016, 23:31 William Park via talk wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 12:08:56PM -0400, Michael Galea via talk wrote: >> > PS: A few years ago I noticed an interesting behaviour in Linux. When >> > rsyncing h

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016, 23:31 William Park via talk wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 12:08:56PM -0400, Michael Galea via talk wrote: > > PS: A few years ago I noticed an interesting behaviour in Linux. When > > rsyncing hundreds of GB from the eSata to the USB mounted drive I found > the > > file

Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;

On Jul 27, 2016 11:20 PM, "William Park via talk" wrote: > > I'll give opposite advice from the rest. Stay with Windows. > - Windows comes free with all retail computers, fully configured. The only reason this is the case is that Foss became a threat to the profit model, otherwise it would b

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 09:31:13AM -0400, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > I nearly chimed in with this option earlier: my backup method is > multiple external (spinning) HD drives, some of which are "portable," > ie. 2.5". With rsync, full backups are very fast - after the initial > synchronization.

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 12:08:56PM -0400, Michael Galea via talk wrote: > PS: A few years ago I noticed an interesting behaviour in Linux. When > rsyncing hundreds of GB from the eSata to the USB mounted drive I found the > file system to become unreliable and unmountable. A workaround that I now

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I'll give opposite advice from the rest. Stay with Windows. - Windows comes free with all retail computers, fully configured. If you're used to XP, then you'll have short (if at all) learning curve to 10. - Components you list below, all come with Windows driver. - Windows

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On Wed 27 Jul 2016 12:08 -0400, Michael Galea via talk wrote: > On 07/27/16 09:31, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > > On 26 July 2016 at 21:27, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk > > wrote: > > > I have no idea of the longevity or robustness of blu-ray disks. Consider > > > diversifying to external HDDs. >

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On Tue 26 Jul 2016 09:41 -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > > Perhaps for a modest price? > > http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ > > I took a quick look at the site. > > Looks like an interesting possibility. http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/ http://linmodems.tech/ There's another coupl

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 04:20:32PM -0400, Russell Reiter wrote: > Well the fundamental problem is when the signal compression is done by the > OS rather than the modem hardware itself. If the modem sends the info that > it will be handling compression it tends to be recognized by linux as a > seri

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On Jul 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:32:51AM -0400, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > I believe as a general rule of thumb any Hayes compatible modem will work > > with Linux. I've not tested this tho. > > All Hayes is, is the AT commands. How you spe

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Petrie and Russel Reiter conversed: >> If I do decide to build the new Linux PC myself, I will check >> out Hacklab. And find my "build buddy(ies)" on GTALUG > > I live close to that location so if it is just unfamiliarity with > the build proce

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > The other [Linux Mint distro] is the Debian based one, which uses > continous in place updates done by using Debian testing, and doing > an update whenever Mint is done making sure things are stable. Except when they don't. When Linux Mint Debian Ed

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On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:32:51AM -0400, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > I believe as a general rule of thumb any Hayes compatible modem will work > with Linux. I've not tested this tho. All Hayes is, is the AT commands. How you speak serial to the device is the actual problem. USB and interna

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 09:27:09PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > Don't retail Processors come with coolers? Generally, they are OK > (not outstanding) -- good enough. Certainly intel CPUs do, except if it is a K model or a socket 2011 chip. Apaprently intel figures if you buy an unl

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On 07/27/16 09:31, Giles Orr via talk wrote: On 26 July 2016 at 21:27, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" | I donlt really have a few weeks to spare. I need to get the Linux PC up | and running, so I can get back to the rest of my life. If you are not

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On 26 July 2016 at 21:27, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" > > | I donlt really have a few weeks to spare. I need to get the Linux PC up > | and running, so I can get back to the rest of my life. > > If you are not used to Linux, and you are used to Win

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On Jul 26, 2016 9:27 PM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: > > | From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" > > | I don't really have a few weeks to spare. I need to get the Linux PC up > | and running, so I can get back to the rest of my life. > > Just to amplify what Len said: > > - external ser

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| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" | I donlt really have a few weeks to spare. I need to get the Linux PC up | and running, so I can get back to the rest of my life. If you are not used to Linux, and you are used to Windows XP, and you don't have weeks to spare, you really should think care

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On Jul 26, 2016 9:39 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > > Hello Russel, >> > > I get nervous when I read "standoofs, odd screws, little odds and ends" That's OK as Lennart pointed out name brand stuff usually comes complete with the necessary parts. However in twenty five years of tin

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:05:18PM -0400, Loui Chang wrote: > Perhaps for a modest price? > http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ I don't think that supports the USR5638. I remember the modems those drivers support. Multitech has a PCIe modem that should work with linux, but it is over $200. Of cour

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 09:39:25AM -0400, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote: > I get nervous when I read "standoofs, odd screws, little odds and ends" In my experience, any case you buy should come with those. Maybe I have never had a problem with that because I buy name brand cases. For all I

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Hello Stewart, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Stewart C. Russell via talk" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC; On 2016-07-2

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Sent from mobile. On Jul 26, 2016 9:41 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: > > Hello Loui, > > > Thanks for your response. >> Perhaps for a modest price? >> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ >> --- > > > I took a quick look at the site. > > Looks like an interesting possibility. The hylaf

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Hello Loui, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Loui Chang via talk" To: "Lennart Sorensen" ; "GTALUG Talk" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8

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Hello Lennart, Thanks for your response. My comments are inline below. Steve - Original Message - From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: "o1bigtenor" ; "GTALUG Talk" Cc: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng." Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [G

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