Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-10 Thread Russell via talk
I broke this out as a separate response. In part to explain my archaic misuse of terminology. On 9 January 2018 at 12:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Russell via talk > > | On January 8, 2018 10:33:00 AM EST, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" > wrote: > > | >Intel 4-Core i5-446

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 04:48:13PM -0500, Andrew Paolucci via talk wrote: > I believe from what is bouncing around the internet the upcoming line of > Intel Processors this year will still have the physical bug and the software > patch is seen as the "fix" for the foreseeable future. I was hoping

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-09 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Clifford Ilkay via talk | By the way, I don't see the point of doing a new build with a CPU that is | four generations old and with only 16GB that ends up costing $1600+. You | could purchase a refurbished, off-lease workstation of that vintage for | about a quarter of the price with more

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-09 Thread Russell via talk
On January 9, 2018 12:23:24 PM EST, "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: >| From: Russell via talk > >| On January 8, 2018 10:33:00 AM EST, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" > wrote: > >| >Intel 4-Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Haswell Processor. (I know, I know, the >| >Intel Haswell CPU series is obsolet

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-09 Thread David Collier-Brown via talk
On 09/01/18 12:23 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: In fact, the first news broke because an AMD patch to the kernel spilled the beans. The AMD patch turned off the already present mitigation for Meltdown in the case of AMD processors. - Erk!  Can you point us to a description this? It se

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-09 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Russell via talk | On January 8, 2018 10:33:00 AM EST, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: | >Intel 4-Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Haswell Processor. (I know, I know, the | >Intel Haswell CPU series is obsolete, but let's just ignore this fact | >for the present discussion.) | | I personall

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-09 Thread Russell via talk
On January 8, 2018 10:33:00 AM EST, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" wrote: >Warm Greetings To GTALUG Members, > >Just as year 2018 arrived and I prepared to push the Order button, on >the various parts for building a new desktop PC to run debian LInux, >replacing an ancient Dell Windows XP PC,

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-08 Thread Jamon Camisso via talk
On 2018-01-08 04:48 PM, Andrew Paolucci via talk wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I believe from what is bouncing around the internet the upcoming line of > Intel Processors this year will still have the physical bug and the software > patch is seen as the "fix" for the foreseeable future. I was hoping fo

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-08 Thread Clifford Ilkay via talk
The Spectre vulnerability affects AMD and ARM processors, too, apparently. See: . That isn't the only place I've read that. Modern CPUs are very complex and their inner workings are proprietary so how likely is it that AMD CPUs don't h

Re: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-08 Thread Andrew Paolucci via talk
sage ---- > Subject: [GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build > Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ?? > Local Time: January 8, 2018 10:33 AM > UTC Time: January 8, 2018 3:33 PM > From: talk@gtalug.org > To: GTALUG Talk >

[GTALUG] Intel Meltdown Bug -- Conundrum For New Desktop PC Build Spec (to run debian Linux) -- Switch From Intel CPU To AMD CPU ??

2018-01-08 Thread Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk
Warm Greetings To GTALUG Members, Just as year 2018 arrived and I prepared to push the Order button, on the various parts for building a new desktop PC to run debian LInux, replacing an ancient Dell Windows XP PC, along comes revelation of the Intel Meltdown CPU bug, to muddy the picture. My p