Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-22 20:45, BCLUG via talk wrote: Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2022-11-21 20:02: I have a cottage with a 3Mbit DSL service and the DSL service is rock solid. The back haul from the fiber connect point on the other hand is little better than 2 tin cans and a string. How does one test the DSL service between customer and CO only? Is that a ping test? Am I misunderstanding everything (again)? I'm just trying to understand how to go about it should I find myself in similar circumstances. The DSL modems usually have a nice collection of statistics. Things like error rates, re-connections, signal to noise ratios. Looking through these you can get a good feel for the quality of the line. Also for a number of years I had access to Bells DSL line testing service because I was running an ISP. It took a few years to figure out what was going on. My first assumption was that it was last mile phone line issues because it seemed to change with the weather but I eventually realized that it related to the likelihood of people being inside trying to use an internet connection. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2022-11-21 20:02: I have a cottage with a 3Mbit DSL service and the DSL service is rock solid. The back haul from the fiber connect point on the other hand is little better than 2 tin cans and a string. How does one test the DSL service between customer and CO only? Is that a ping test? Am I misunderstanding everything (again)? I'm just trying to understand how to go about it should I find myself in similar circumstances. Thanks, rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] [LONG!] Re: Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-22 13:21, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: I find the Rogers assigned IP address is fairly stable. It mainly changes after there has been an Internet outage or I needed to reboot the Rogers cable modem. The hostname they assign never changes unless the Rogers supplied cable modem is swapped out for a different one. If you want (or need) to be accessible by IP address you can look at a service such as dyndns. I use a DNS alias that points to the long host name provided by Rogers. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] [LONG!] Re: Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-21 23:41, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: Rogers isn't going to give you a static IP address. My Rogers line changes IP address randomly but on average about once a year. But you cannot control the entry in the reverse domain for a Rogers address so it isn't very useful for an SMTP server. I find the Rogers assigned IP address is fairly stable. It mainly changes after there has been an Internet outage or I needed to reboot the Rogers cable modem. The hostname they assign never changes unless the Rogers supplied cable modem is swapped out for a different one. If you want (or need) to be accessible by IP address you can look at a service such as dyndns. Somewhere in my junk-pile I have a touch-tone line-powered handset. There is one phone in the house that is still an old touch tone line powered phone. We keep it just in case there is a power outage and we need to make a phone call. In an emergency, most people will grab a mobile phone anyway. Until it runs out of battery. If you have one to grab. That also only works as long as the batteries and/or generators powering the cell tower lasts. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-22 16:47, Michael Galea via talk wrote: On 2022-11-21 22:30, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote: Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem. Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers? PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers! If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service. A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised. Ok, I just have to ask. - Who is the VoIP provider? voip.ms - Who assigns you the telephone numbers, and can you transfer an existing number to them? voip.ms can alocate phone numbers in just about every area code in North America and I believe some in Europe. They will also port existing numbers from the existing carriers. There is some paperwork required to prove you own the phone number. - Does your provider support location identification information (I have heard it called E911)? The only reason I keep a landline is for emergency dispatch, and that argument gets weaker now that my CO powered line will be replaced with locally powered gear. They do support e911. That all being said, voip.ms has a bazillion features but so many choices makes it the kind of service you would not want to give your mother. Take a walk through their web site and feel free to ask any questions. It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe. My next step is to port my mobile number. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
Stewart wrote: > I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup I've been on voip.ms since 2015. Although I do have one VoIP phone at my desk, the rest of the house is still analogue phones - I simply put a two-line ATA near where the phone line comes in. Conveniently the wiring was in place so I can send one ATA line to the upstairs phone and the other ATA line to the downstairs phone, but if that hadn't been available a single-line ATA would have provided the same as what I had with Bell. The biggest problem has been getting $SPOUSE to understand that they are different lines, not two phones on the same line. She still yells "It's for you, pick up the phone"... But it's been over seven years, so she'll catch on any day now. I've also put a SIP client on my cell phone, so I can receive calls to the home number on the cell (using either WiFi or cell data). That's really convenient, especially when I'm not at home. --Bob. On 2022-11-22 08:52, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: On 21/11/2022 16.13, Michael Galea via talk wrote: Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. I haven't received notice yet, but there have been Bell folks going round with door tags in the streets near me, and I suspect I'll hear soon too. PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers! Copper service is CRTC rate regulated. Fibre isn't. The head of the CRTC - a former TELUS SVP - knows who his real friends are. I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup, as my elderly mum in Scotland can't get the hang of video chats. Everything about doing VOIP yourself seems impossibly complex or requires completely arcane obsolete equipment. I mean, where are the wifi ATA adaptors (that are under $500 each)? I don't have ethernet cable everywhere, and don't want it, frankly, anywhere. Stewart --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Bob Jonkman Phone: +1-519-635-9413 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-21 22:30, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote: Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem. Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers? PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers! If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service. A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised. Ok, I just have to ask. - Who is the VoIP provider? - Who assigns you the telephone numbers, and can you transfer an existing number to them? - Does your provider support location identification information (I have heard it called E911)? The only reason I keep a landline is for emergency dispatch, and that argument gets weaker now that my CO powered line will be replaced with locally powered gear. It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe. My next step is to port my mobile number. -- Michael Galea --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
On 21/11/2022 16.13, Michael Galea via talk wrote: Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. I haven't received notice yet, but there have been Bell folks going round with door tags in the streets near me, and I suspect I'll hear soon too. PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers! Copper service is CRTC rate regulated. Fibre isn't. The head of the CRTC - a former TELUS SVP - knows who his real friends are. I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup, as my elderly mum in Scotland can't get the hang of video chats. Everything about doing VOIP yourself seems impossibly complex or requires completely arcane obsolete equipment. I mean, where are the wifi ATA adaptors (that are under $500 each)? I don't have ethernet cable everywhere, and don't want it, frankly, anywhere. Stewart --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-21 23:57, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: For example: Bell used to refuse to interconnect with Rogers so traffic that should have been exchanged at 1 Front St. went to Chicago and back. Actually, the Toronto Internet Exchange is at 151 Front St. W. I worked in that building for 17 year, when I was with CN Telecommunications, CNCP & Unitel. I was in it last a few years ago, doing some work for Freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Internet_Exchange BTW, they also have 3 stratum 1 public NTP servers available. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] [LONG!] Re: Forced off DSL by Bell
On 2022-11-21 23:41, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: Rogers isn't going to give you a static IP address. My Rogers line changes IP address randomly but on average about once a year. I am on Rogers and my IPv4 address is virtually static. Also, the host name is based on modem and firewall/router MAC addresses and only changes if I change hardware. On IPv6 my /56 prefix has remained the same for a few years and has survived replacing, at different times, the modem and the computer I run pfSense on. I don't believe Bell provides IPv6, though some resellers over Bell do. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
