Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Hi Karen,


On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 18:54, Karen Lewellen 
wrote:


> I will have to see if I still have the article, but I found one recently 
> listing
> all of the places where indeed Linux is in use, perhaps under the hood, but
> in use all the same.
>

I'm not referring to embedded devices in which Linux is usually what's
under the hood. For the purposes of this discussion I've been focusing on
the personal desktop computer OS experience, which is dominated by
Microsoft, followed by Apple, then off in the distance all the Linux
distros and implementations combined. I consider ChromeOS one of these
"under the hood" situations where the user is unaware of the Linux
underneath, OLPC is another. Collectively still low single-digits installed
base.

It's unfortunate but matches my observation, where in places like China
people will prefer pirated Windows over legitimately acquired Linux. As
beautiful as attempts such as Deepin certainly are, they have an uphill
battle to be mainstream. And if someone is making a hardware accessibility
device that requires an OS driver, they're more likely to pay attention to
the 80+% on one platform compared to the 5% that comprises a dozen or more
"mainstream" implementations.

still, it would likely surprise you just how many access related projects
> exist.


It wouldn't surprise me at all. But it's all relative.


> Windows for many continues to carry quite the access price tag, the third
> party things needed to achieve inclusion  when working with windows,
> depending on the individual, can  get close to $10k, and  one still has
> to deal with problems.
>

I don't doubt that for a moment. The open source community has made great
strides but that work has its limits. But of all the "things" that are
needed to make a Windows box accessible, how many of them are unavailable
for Linux at any price?

For the developers working in Linux, there  is an entire blindness group for
> Python for example, the thought was to cut down the cost, while building
> in inclusion from the code up...or in theory at least.
>

That's not Linux specific then. Most things done in Python will also work
under Windows.

> the server side the story is totally flipped, but on the desktop Linux is
> > for enthusiasts, software  developers, other power users and not much
> > beyond.
>
> Again, I respect your experience.  still, again, you might be quite surprised
> how much energy is spent by individuals who, seeking inclusive access,
> and having the background, spend time and energy building  Linux
> distributions for populations who have been largely ignored by Microsoft,
>

Oh I get that. And it's not just physical accessibility. Minority-language
communities around the world struggle for the ability to consume and create
on Windows. Some have indeed found Linux to be an easier path for custom
development, especially since modification can be done without vendor
permission. But many just suffer through Windows because of other things
lacking on Linux.

My experience in accessibility projects isn't extensive but it's not zero.
In a former life I spent the better part of a year working on a major
project collaborating alongside Jutta Treviranus from Canada's _other_
IDRC, the Inclusive Design Research Centre at OCAD. Working with her and
her team gave me some unexpected but welcome enlightenment into this world
that most of IT ignores. It was in my work with her that I also reached a
conclusion that as bad as Windows support is for accessibility, the open
source world is steps behind that. I genuinely hope the situation has
improved in the years since I worked on that project, but I remain to be
convinced.

> Personally I think in this case web accessibility issues are in the hands
> > of the browser maker rather than the OS, anyway.
>
> Evan,
> Forgive me if My assumption here is incorrect.  Yet your sentence above 
> suggests
> you may not fully understand just what is meant by access, or what adaptive
> technology actually provides.
>

Do I _fully_ understand what is meant by access? Likely not since I haven't
myself had to depend upon non-mainstream accessibility. Once upon a time I
was charged with testing client websites against the W3C accessibility
guidelines; that was not one of my most memorable assignments and I don't
envy those still fighting those battles.

Here, I was limiting myself to the issues in the specific discussion we
were having in the thread, which was about accessibility deficiencies in
the Ontario government website and its document-distribution facility. The
site was making assumptions about the user's browser that rendered the
experience inaccessible to many and insecure to all. My point was simply
that THIS particular issue was one of browser and website and web
standards, the underlying OS has little relevance. I was making no comment
on general accessibility of the OS or its own user interface; very often
the browser and OS have very different ideas of the UI and 

Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Hi Evan,
Finally a moment for the rest of this thread, or part of it at least.



On Mon, 20 Sep 2021, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

FWIW, I have been using the CANimmunize app
 long
before COVID; I have long needed a vaccination passport -- a WHO "yellow
card" which has existed since the 30's

-- cause I've been to places that won't let you in without a Yellow Fever
shot (as well as protection against a bunch of lesser but still nasty bugs).
Its interface is clunky but it works, and I'll be using it to store my
COVID jab receipts.

That is quite handy for you I would imagine.




As someone who finally gave up and loaded Windows on his laptop after two
decades of fighting with Linux sound systems, battling desktops and
inferior drivers, I'm quite convinced that lack of profile is not the
cause. We've had twenty years of "this is the year of the Linux desktop"
and it now rings extremely hollow, even if you count Chromebooks. Despite
many many years of trying Linux has never risen out of a low-single-digit
percentage of the installed base, and the very-real reasons for this
stagnation are many.



I will have to see if I still have the article, but I found one recently 
listing
 all of the places where indeed Linux is in use, perhaps under the hood, 
but  in use all the same.


still, it would likely surprise you just how many access related projects 
exist.  Windows for many continues to carry quite the access price tag, 
the third party things needed to achieve inclusion  when working with 
windows, depending on the individual, can  get close to $10k, and  one 
still has to deal with problems.
For the developers working in Linux, there  is an entire blindness group 
for Python for example, the thought was to cut down the cost, while 
building in inclusion from the code up...or in theory at least.






the server side the story is totally flipped, but on the desktop Linux is
for enthusiasts, software  developers, other power users and not much
beyond.


Again, I respect your experience.  still, again, you might be quite 
surprised how much energy is spent by individuals who, seeking inclusive 
access,  and having the background, spend time and energy building  Linux 
distributions for populations who have been largely ignored by Microsoft,


and who are being stereotyped wrongly by google.
To be sure, as your comment below simply illustrates, a great deal of the 
problem is limited public relations.



Personally I think in this case web accessibility issues are in the hands
of the browser maker rather than the OS, anyway.


Evan,
Forgive me if My assumption here is incorrect.  Yet your sentence above 
suggests you may not fully understand just what is meant by access, or what 
adaptive

 technology actually provides.
Given some of the other comments, this may get spread out, but let me 
start a bit here.
For  many, close to a billion according to some sources, adaptive 
technology can be a substitution for, or an extension of bodily function. 
Hands, ears, eyes,   brains, combinations of all of these even.
What that means from the OS standpoint is that, when incorporated well, 
one can  engage with your computer in an inclusive way, close to, if not 
soon after you turn on the machine.
what some sought to do with Linux in fact is provide system information, 
from the start, something never achieved  in Windows.
To help illustrate,  your desktop has keyboard, mouse, monitor, and cp 
unit.  My personal adaptive combination, while not entirely providing 
system boot stuff, does, uniformly interface with my keyboard, providing 
as much or as  little monitor information I desire, and lets me take care 
of my CPU as well...all of that is needful before one even reaches a 
browser.
Still, your browser idea might  be true if every single site on the entire 
web incorporated inclusive design...which  of course does not happen. Add 
that  browsers get broken too.  As a simple example Firefox stopped 
working with Apple's  built-into-the-os screen reader voiceover about a 
decade ago.  Meaning that for ten years one could not use the browser with 
some of apple's fundamental adaptive tools..it took until 2020 before that 
started to be fixed.   and before you suggest that one can just use 
something else, that is not always the case, again because of design.
It can be managed, quite easily actually, but that means choice on the 
part of decision makers.


I am drawing  largely below from respected UK web   consultant
Craig Buckler  from his 2017 article on sitepoint.com
 https://www.sitepoint.com/author/craig-buckler/ 
although I am sure he is not the only one to outline the most

inclusive practice for website design.
That practice is known as Progressive Enhancement.

quoting Craig.
"You create the simplest HTML-only experience then enhance it
with images, fonts, 

Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Alvin Starr via talk]

On 2021-09-20 16:36, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 12:06:29PM -0400, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:

Backing  up the discussion a bit.

The Ontario government has the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities
Act (AODA) https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/05a11

snip

Just because getting it certified is tedious is no excuse for not
designing it with that in mind from the start.  Making a design that is
entirely not suitable is a great way to ensure it will be a lot of work
and expensive when you have to then do it all over after the fact to do
it right.


Your absolutely right.

I do not justify doing a bad job I just put some context to the reasons 
that others may do a bad job.


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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[James Knott via talk]

On 2021-09-20 9:28 p.m., Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:


On 2021-09-20 4:36 p.m., Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:


Just because getting it certified is tedious is no excuse for not
designing it with that in mind from the start.  Making a design that is
entirely not suitable is a great way to ensure it will be a lot of work
and expensive when you have to then do it all over after the fact to do
it right.


Alas, there are fads in UX that always break ADA and AODA, and "ooh, 
shiny" beats "you'll get your ass sued off" way too often.


Hiding the scroll-bar unless you position your cursor EXACTLY in the 
middle of the right band of white-space is an excellent example, /eh 
Grafana/?




Another thing, which is very annoying, is the sites that use low 
contrast, such as grey on white or black on dark blue.  What's the point 
of making a web site that's hard to read???


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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Dave Collier-Brown via talk]

On 2021-09-20 4:36 p.m., Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:

Just because getting it certified is tedious is no excuse for not
designing it with that in mind from the start.  Making a design that is
entirely not suitable is a great way to ensure it will be a lot of work
and expensive when you have to then do it all over after the fact to do
it right.


Alas, there are fads in UX that always break ADA and AODA, and "ooh, shiny" beats 
"you'll get your ass sued off" way too often.

Hiding the scroll-bar unless you position your cursor EXACTLY in the middle of 
the right band of white-space is an excellent example, eh Grafana?

--dave

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 12:06:29PM -0400, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
> Backing  up the discussion a bit.
> 
> The Ontario government has the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities
> Act (AODA) https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/05a11
> 
> I know that at least a number of government Ministries do try to produce
> AODA complaint sites and associated documentation and training because my
> wife has worked on a number of these projects for well over the last 5
> years.
> 
> AODA compliance and the associated certification process can add months to
> the timeline of a project along with significant costs.
> Each version of site or document can end up being subject to a review
> process by an external certification organization.
> AODA testing is a slow and tedious process and is one of the first things
> that will get cut when budgets become limited, much like documentation and
> testing.
> 
> Clearly the existing web services from ontario.ca are not sufficient.
> There is an argument that the AODA has remedies for people who find
> themselves without the ability to access Ontario government services.
> I have never tried to raise a complaint with the compliance and enforcement
> people so I have no idea how well or poorly the process works.
> 
> Its interesting that there were mentions of the U.S. ADA but nothing about
> Ontario's AODA and the federal ACA.

Just because getting it certified is tedious is no excuse for not
designing it with that in mind from the start.  Making a design that is
entirely not suitable is a great way to ensure it will be a lot of work
and expensive when you have to then do it all over after the fact to do
it right.

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Alvin Starr via talk]

On 2021-09-17 16:18, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
and that link, like a great deal of Ontario.ca these days is not 
inclusively  designed.
I get a JavaScript error, even when using a JavaScript friendly 
browser with  adaptive tools on the Ubuntu shell services I use. Both 
dreamhost's shell and the one I use most of the time.



Backing  up the discussion a bit.

The Ontario government has the Accessibility for Ontarians with 
Disabilities Act (AODA) https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/05a11


I know that at least a number of government Ministries do try to produce 
AODA complaint sites and associated documentation and training because 
my wife has worked on a number of these projects for well over the last 
5 years.


AODA compliance and the associated certification process can add months 
to the timeline of a project along with significant costs.
Each version of site or document can end up being subject to a review 
process by an external certification organization.
AODA testing is a slow and tedious process and is one of the first 
things that will get cut when budgets become limited, much like 
documentation and testing.


Clearly the existing web services from ontario.ca are not sufficient.
There is an argument that the AODA has remedies for people who find 
themselves without the ability to access Ontario government services.
I have never tried to raise a complaint with the compliance and 
enforcement people so I have no idea how well or poorly the process works.


Its interesting that there were mentions of the U.S. ADA but nothing 
about Ontario's AODA and the federal ACA.


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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Hi Karen,

On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 12:44, Karen Lewellen via talk 
wrote:


> I had seen media information stating that the pharmacist issued paper copies
> would still be fine as well, making the claim otherwise rather a concern
> due to Ontario.ca's established lack of accessibility. so, if you have
> copies from your pharmacists, there is no need to do anything else to
> establish proof.
>

FWIW, I have been using the CANimmunize app
 long
before COVID; I have long needed a vaccination passport -- a WHO "yellow
card" which has existed since the 30's

-- cause I've been to places that won't let you in without a Yellow Fever
shot (as well as protection against a bunch of lesser but still nasty bugs).
Its interface is clunky but it works, and I'll be using it to store my
COVID jab receipts.


> as for the issues with Linux accessibility in general.  Speaking personally?
> A much better goal would be raising the profile of Linux as a platform
> widely used by the public, so that accessibility related surveys and
> tests will count those who choose Linux over other things.
>

As someone who finally gave up and loaded Windows on his laptop after two
decades of fighting with Linux sound systems, battling desktops and
inferior drivers, I'm quite convinced that lack of profile is not the
cause. We've had twenty years of "this is the year of the Linux desktop"
and it now rings extremely hollow, even if you count Chromebooks. Despite
many many years of trying Linux has never risen out of a low-single-digit
percentage of the installed base, and the very-real reasons for this
stagnation are many.

We thought that every major update of Windows -- from 98 to XP, XP to
Windows 7 and then to 10 -- would lead to backwards compatibility issues
that would bring swarms to Linux desktops. Now the predictions are made
about Linux getting a major boost when Windows 10 users are forced to 11.
While some will bring their now-orphaned-by-MS systems to Linux, the
paradigm shift predicted by some will refuse to materialize ... again. On
the server side the story is totally flipped, but on the desktop Linux is
for enthusiasts, software  developers, other power users and not much
beyond.

Personally I think in this case web accessibility issues are in the hands
of the browser maker rather than the OS, anyway.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada
@evanleibovitch / @el56
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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Thanks very much for providing these phone numbers.
I just got off the phone with staff here.  Whomever is claiming that  you 
must get a certificate specifically from the  link shared, and that copies 
of your receipt from your pharmacist  will no longer be accepted, is 
incorrect.
I had seen media information stating that the pharmacist issued paper 
copies would still be fine as well, making the claim otherwise rather a 
concern due to Ontario.ca's established lack of accessibility.
so, if you have copies from your pharmacists, there is no need to do 
anything else to establish proof.
as for the issues with Linux accessibility in general.  Speaking 
personally?  A much better goal would be raising the profile of Linux as a 
platform widely used by the public, so that accessibility related surveys 
and tests will count those who choose Linux over other things.
For example while a11yproject information suggests that true inclusive 
design creates doors that work both with and without JavaScript, webaim 
who circulates a survey about platforms and adaptive technology use 
intentionally does not ask about Linux.  there stance is that too few 
people actually use Linux to be counted, which given a shared label does 
not a shared experience make, leads to problems like the government of 
Ontario site.

yes Linux accessibility is dreadful, but so is its public image.
Best,
Karen



On Fri, 17 Sep 2021, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:


| From: Karen Lewellen via talk 

| which is why my question, about a human, still stands.
| Those are not screen readers, and there are countless individuals in the
| province who read and interact with the Internet differently.

The only accessibility concession I saw was a phone line:

 - call the Provincial Vaccine Information Line at 1-888-999-6488 (TTY
   for people who are deaf, hearing-impaired or speech-impaired:
   1-866-797-0007)

   + information is available in more than 300 languages
   + this line is available 8 a.m. to 8 p.m., 7 days a week
   + you may have to wait for an agent when call volumes are high

There is an Accessibility link that looks useless:


| And that does not even get me started on the reprehensible nature of access in
| much of Linux  for these populations.

Yeah.  That should be fixed.  By whom?  All of us, I guess.
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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Stewart C. Russell via talk]

On 2021-09-17 4:24 p.m., James Knott via talk wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the receipts.  They have a watermark and are also
> digitally signed, whereas the mailed ones have neither.

I downloaded mine a little after you did. Mine aren't signed,
watermarked or encrypted. Slightly hilariously, it looks like they were
supposed to be signed, but they contain the node-signpdf package's
default X.509 P12 address:

/ContactInfo (emailfromp1...@gmail.com)

I wouldn't say it's trivial (except in the pure mathematics sense) to
modify one of these receipts and falsify the information, but the tools
to do so are in every Linux distro.

 Stewart


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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Stewart C. Russell via talk]

On 2021-09-17 3:20 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
> 
> When I go back to that email, I find that it is defective.  You cannot 
> read the PDF from my MUA (Alpine on Linux)

"I don't recognize that version of Outlook or Gmail, sir"

> The reason is that the PDF is sent as an attachment, with the wrong type 
> specified in the attachment's headers:

Mine, from April via a SalesForce instance, don't have that:

Content-Type: application/pdf; name="Dose_Admin_pdf"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Dose_Adminpdf"

Very strange.

 Stewart
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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

| From: Karen Lewellen via talk 

| which is why my question, about a human, still stands.
| Those are not screen readers, and there are countless individuals in the
| province who read and interact with the Internet differently.

The only accessibility concession I saw was a phone line:

  - call the Provincial Vaccine Information Line at 1-888-999-6488 (TTY 
for people who are deaf, hearing-impaired or speech-impaired:  
1-866-797-0007)

+ information is available in more than 300 languages
+ this line is available 8 a.m. to 8 p.m., 7 days a week
+ you may have to wait for an agent when call volumes are high

There is an Accessibility link that looks useless:


| And that does not even get me started on the reprehensible nature of access in
| much of Linux  for these populations.

Yeah.  That should be fixed.  By whom?  All of us, I guess.
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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

which is why my question, about a human, still stands.
Those are not screen readers, and there are countless individuals in 
the province who read and interact with the Internet differently.
And that does not even get me started on the reprehensible nature of 
access in much of Linux  for these populations.




On Fri, 17 Sep 2021, James Knott via talk wrote:


On 2021-09-17 4:35 p.m., Karen Lewellen wrote:

 What screen reader and low graphics browser did you use?
 I will share in a moment what I get when following the link. 



I just downloaded with Seamonkey and read them with Occular.

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[James Knott via talk]

On 2021-09-17 4:35 p.m., Karen Lewellen wrote:

What screen reader and low graphics browser did you use?
I will share in a moment what I get when following the link. 



I just downloaded with Seamonkey and read them with Occular.

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

In fact, what shows regardless of lower graphics browser, including 
Javascript friendly ones is below.

   To use this site, please [1]enable JavaScript in your browser and
   refresh this page.

   Pour utiliser ce site, veuillez [2]activer JavaScript dans votre
   navigateur et rafra?chir cette page.

   (BUTTON)

   1.1.38
 __

 *
 *

 *
 *
 __

   [ ]
   (BUTTON)
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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

What screen reader and low graphics browser did you use?
I will share in a moment what I get when following the link.



On Fri, 17 Sep 2021, James Knott via talk wrote:


On 2021-09-17 4:20 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

 Oh that is disturbing.
 And one can reach a human directly how to confirm this? 


I just downloaded the receipts.  They have a watermark and are also 
digitally signed, whereas the mailed ones have neither.



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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[James Knott via talk]

On 2021-09-17 4:20 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:

Oh that is disturbing.
And one can reach a human directly how to confirm this? 


I just downloaded the receipts.  They have a watermark and are also 
digitally signed, whereas the mailed ones have neither.



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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

Oh that is disturbing.
And one can reach a human directly how to confirm this?



On Fri, 17 Sep 2021, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:


I've been told that the thing in email does not count as a receipt.
Neither does the thing that they handed you when you got the vaccine.
You are supposed to go to

answer lots of questions, and get a real receipt.

| From: James Knott via talk 

| I have no problem reading mine.? I received both paper and PDF versions of the
| receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.? Maybe yours are defective.

What's your MUA?  SeaMonkey?

| What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

Fails.

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Karen Lewellen via talk]

and that link, like a great deal of Ontario.ca these days is not 
inclusively  designed.
I get a JavaScript error, even when using a JavaScript friendly browser 
with  adaptive tools on the Ubuntu shell services I use.  Both dreamhost's 
shell and the one I use most of the time.

granted, my pharmacists made sure I had  paper copies, but still.
Kare



On Fri, 17 Sep 2021, Tim Carroll via talk wrote:


If you go to the address below you can download your receipt as a pdf.
https://covid19.ontariohealth.ca/

On 2021-09-17 15:25, James Knott via talk wrote:

 On 2021-09-17 3:20 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
>  When I go back to that email, I find that it is defective.  You cannot
>  read the PDF from my MUA (Alpine on Linux), and I suspect that this is
>  true for any Linux or UNIX MUA.  Perhaps also for Apple MUAs.

 I have no problem reading mine.  I received both paper and PDF
 versions of the receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.  Maybe
 yours are defective.

 What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[James Knott via talk]

On 2021-09-17 3:47 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

I've been told that the thing in email does not count as a receipt.
Neither does the thing that they handed you when you got the vaccine.
You are supposed to go to

answer lots of questions, and get a real receipt.


I just did that and can read it.


| From: James Knott via talk 

| I have no problem reading mine.  I received both paper and PDF versions of the
| receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.  Maybe yours are defective.

What's your MUA?  SeaMonkey?


I can open it in Occular or save.  Either works.


| What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

Fails.



Well, download again and see what happens

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

I've been told that the thing in email does not count as a receipt.  
Neither does the thing that they handed you when you got the vaccine.
You are supposed to go to

answer lots of questions, and get a real receipt.

| From: James Knott via talk 

| I have no problem reading mine.  I received both paper and PDF versions of the
| receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.  Maybe yours are defective.

What's your MUA?  SeaMonkey?

| What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

Fails.

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[Tim Carroll via talk]

If you go to the address below you can download your receipt as a pdf.
https://covid19.ontariohealth.ca/

On 2021-09-17 15:25, James Knott via talk wrote:

On 2021-09-17 3:20 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

When I go back to that email, I find that it is defective.  You cannot
read the PDF from my MUA (Alpine on Linux), and I suspect that this is
true for any Linux or UNIX MUA.  Perhaps also for Apple MUAs.


I have no problem reading mine.  I received both paper and PDF
versions of the receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.  Maybe
yours are defective.

What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

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Re: [GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[James Knott via talk]

On 2021-09-17 3:20 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

When I go back to that email, I find that it is defective.  You cannot
read the PDF from my MUA (Alpine on Linux), and I suspect that this is
true for any Linux or UNIX MUA.  Perhaps also for Apple MUAs.


I have no problem reading mine.  I received both paper and PDF versions 
of the receipt and put the PDF on my smart phone.  Maybe yours are 
defective.


What happens if you detach it and then try reading?

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[GTALUG] Vaccination Receipts on Linux

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

The Ontario Governement emailed us Vaccination Receipts shortly after we 
were vaccinated.

As of Sept 22, we will need to show them some places if we want access.

When I go back to that email, I find that it is defective.  You cannot 
read the PDF from my MUA (Alpine on Linux), and I suspect that this is 
true for any Linux or UNIX MUA.  Perhaps also for Apple MUAs.

The reason is that the PDF is sent as an attachment, with the wrong type 
specified in the attachment's headers:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=Dose_Admin_...pdf"

On POSIX systems, attachments with Content-Type "text", have CR LF 
sequences replaced by NL.

I was able to make it work by manually editing my mailbox, changing the 
Content-Type header to:

Content-Type: application/pdf


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