Re: Cannot Read Document With An HTM Extension

[John Covici via Talk]

Why are you trying to read this in word?

On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:16:13 -0500,
Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have the latest window-eyes with windows ten and using internet explorer.
> 
> I realize that PDF documents can be in an image format.  Can this also be
> true for documents with an extension of HTM?  I was sent some HTM documents
> and tried to read them using office 2007.  When I hit enter on a document,
> nothing happens.  I can then tab to where it says Open and enter again.  I
> get a document that I can move in with browse mode, but, nothing is in
> there.  Could this be an image document that I could read with Kurzweil or
> Openbook, similar to an image PDF document?  Thanks for any ideas.  Regards:
> Ted Larson
> 
> ? 
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Cannot Read Document With An HTM Extension

[Ted Larson via Talk]

Dear List:

I have the latest window-eyes with windows ten and using internet explorer.

I realize that PDF documents can be in an image format.  Can this also be
true for documents with an extension of HTM?  I was sent some HTM documents
and tried to read them using office 2007.  When I hit enter on a document,
nothing happens.  I can then tab to where it says Open and enter again.  I
get a document that I can move in with browse mode, but, nothing is in
there.  Could this be an image document that I could read with Kurzweil or
Openbook, similar to an image PDF document?  Thanks for any ideas.  Regards:
Ted Larson

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Re: OT How do I change the size of print in Word?

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Using your first directions, will Word tell you what size the print is?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:00 PM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: OT How do I change the size of print in Word?

There are a couple ways to change print size.  The easiest is to select
the specific print you want to change and then press
control-shift-period (greater than with the shift key pressed) to
increase the font size and control-shift-comma (les than sign with shift
key held down) to make the print smaller.

The next way to change size is to press the context key and then the
letter F for "font" and there, you can change the font type, the size,
the options such as underline, color, etc.

Yes, you can also do these things with the ribbon, but the first two are
the fastest for me.

Carol


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Problem solved re detailed view

[Don Smith via Talk]

Well, my problem  re detailed view disappeared, must have been a genie

 

thanks

 

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a strange one

[Don S via Talk]

Hi folks

 

On my windows 7 computer and running latest we, for some unknown reason, I
keep getting speech saying not in detailed view.

And then if I try to open my documtnts, I hear not in detailed view.

Is this something in my we settings?

 

Some kind of strange virus??

 

Any help on this one?

Don

 

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Re: OT How do I change the size of print in Word?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

There are a couple ways to change print size.  The easiest is to select 
the specific print you want to change and then press 
control-shift-period (greater than with the shift key pressed) to 
increase the font size and control-shift-comma (les than sign with shift 
key held down) to make the print smaller.


The next way to change size is to press the context key and then the 
letter F for "font" and there, you can change the font type, the size, 
the options such as underline, color, etc.


Yes, you can also do these things with the ribbon, but the first two are 
the fastest for me.


Carol


On 12/9/2016 4:13 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:



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OT How do I change the size of print in Word?

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet 
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Re: for those using a Braille display

[David via Talk]

Robin,

What you can access with speech, you also can access with Braille.


What you can access with Braille, you also can access with Speech.


Having those main rules established, let me point out a few differences.


First of all, if you are a trained Braille user, you might find Braille 
navigation some quicker. Mainly due to the fact that you don't have to 
wait for the words to be spoken out, but simply can touch the display 
rapidly, and instantly recognize the term you are looking for. 
Furthermore, it is far easier to align text with a Braille display, 
since you  instantly will know where on the line the text is placed, 
whereas with speech you will have to listen to the status line, or other 
ways of getting the placement info. And that leads us to yet another 
benefit with the Braille display.


Say you are looking for the third info given on a line. With speech, you 
will have to listen through the two preceeding pieces of info, before 
you can get to the info you actually were looking for. Or, you would 
have to move the speech cursor across them. whichever way, you will have 
to pass the info, to get to the point where you want to be. With the 
Braille display, and first you get to know your applications and their 
typical positions of info, you can just put your fingers right on the 
spot, read the info, and continue your job.


Backside of the postcard, of course, would be that with speech you can 
keep your hands on the keyboard all the time, since all navigation is 
done by the PC keyboard. With a Braille display you have got a secondary 
set of navigation keys, located on the display, to move it around. 
Causing your hands to fly on and off the computer keyboard all the time. 
If you are good at orientating yourself around, in general, this should 
not be a big issue. But some people take a considerable amount of time 
in refinding the initial position on the keyboard, with your 
index-fingers place on F and J. Through a working day, your fingers will 
likely have to move between the display and the keyboard hundreds of 
times. If you spend just three seconds in repositioning your fingers on 
the keyboard every time, you can do your math, figuring how many minutes 
of productivity that would amount into. Again, it would depend on your 
personal skills.


Furthermore, the Braille display might give slightly different info, 
from what you hear. For instance, in cases with abbreviations. The 
speech might attempt to read them out, whereas with the Braille display, 
the whole and complete interpretation is up to you. So when you come 
across the three letter abbreviation ETC, the speech might read "Et 
Cetra", whilst the Braille display just will show you the three letters. 
In that way, the Braille display will be slightly more in line with what 
and how things are presentetd on the screen.


For many users, the combination of Braille and speech will speed up 
their productivity, with some training. Mainly because they will learn 
to appreciate each of the reading methods, for each teir activity on the 
computer. Meaning, sometimes you will lean on the Braille, other cases 
the speech will be your best friend. Reading and comprehending a lengthy 
link, will be far quicker with braille. To discern if you have landed on 
the right button to be pressed, the speech will inform you without you 
moving your hands off from the keyboard, hence you will rely on your ears.


Also, please be forewarned, the braille display typically will sitt 
between you and the keyboard. This will cause you to have to stretch 
your arms another 2 or 3 inches, to reach the keyboard for typing. Some 
models even have all the navigation keys of the display located between 
the Braille line, and the keyboard, forcing yet another inch of hand 
stretching to reach the keyboard.


If I may be allowed to advice, please get a Braille display where the 
navigation keys ar not between you and the keyboard. Many users will 
find it frustrating, when they are typing, resting their wrist on the 
Braille display, and all the sudden incidentially pressing one of the 
navigation keys on the display. Alternative is to always keep your 
wrists raised off from the display all together, whenever typing. But 
for prolonged time through the working day, this can cause stress to 
your muscles and joints. The issue will be well known to all laptop 
users, who have got exceptionally frustrated by the mouse-pad being 
located between them and the keyboard. The exact same effect with a set 
of Braille navigation keys.


Hope some of these personal experiences and pickups, will stand as at 
least one answer to your query.


David

On 12/9/2016 8:37 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> I do not use a Braille display, so I am curious about something.  Does the 
> Braille display give you the same access that the speech synthesizer does, 
> since, to my understanding, you have to be running a speech software to get 
> Braille display support?  

Re: Solitaire

[ratshtron via Talk]

thank you, i have downloaded it and have it installed, now to learn 
how to play it, BIG GRIN!


Legend has it that on Friday 12/9/2016 10:49 AM, Dave Basden via Talk said:


You can download the game from this link:

http://en.freedownloadmanager.org/Windows-PC/GMA-Solitaire-FREE.html

Just go down to the download link.

Dave

Dave
d...@basden.us

At 01:23 PM 12/8/2016, you wrote:

Hi there Folks!

I really enjoyed playing Solitaire for years! But since the last 
Windows 10 update the game has been gone from my desktop.  I press 
the windows key and type Solitaire and I do get a game that 
way.  Problem, Window-Eyes use to read all the cards, but now 
doesn't read anything?  I tried redrawing the screen and this 
didn't works either.  Wonder if anyone might have an idea on what I 
might do to get Window-Eyes to read the cards again? Or does 
someone have a suggestion on another W.E. friendly solitaire 
game?  I have been playing the standard Klontike version and had no 
issues with it at all.  Any suggestions would be 
appreciated!  THANKS Much! P.S. I generally use the speech for the 
face cards since I have a bit of a problem distingushing some of 
the face cards.  BTW, I have tried both NVDA as well as Microsoft 
Narator and neither of them read the cards either. .


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Re: for those using a Braille display

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

Hi Robin,
I use a HIMS Braille Edge 40 as a display with my Win7 desktop PC and 
WindowEyes 9.5.3. It also has notetaker capabilities which I personally have 
not used much at all.
I would suggest you speak with the sales staff at HIMS Inc. The phone number 
is:

888 520-4467
They will be better able to answer your questions.

Cordially yours,
Grant Metcalf
650 589-6890
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for those using a Braille display

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

I do not use a Braille display, so I am curious about something.  Does the 
Braille display give you the same access that the speech synthesizer does, 
since, to my understanding, you have to be running a speech software to get 
Braille display support?  I was thinking about this as it relates to job 
accommodations.  I've always wondered how hard it would be to apply for jobs if 
you don't know whether the software applications the company uses are 
accessible.  That got me wondering if a Braille display might provide access to 
something on the screen that is not easy to navigate by speech, or if they 
really are equivalent.  When I think about some of the software we have here 
and how I could promote more roles for blind job seekers, I wonder what 
roadblocks exist.  For my role, I mainly use Microsoft Office, so I'm not using 
specialized business applications that many of my colleagues use.  Just 
something I've pondered for a while.

Robin



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Re: Solitaire

[Dave Basden via Talk]

You can download the game from this link:

http://en.freedownloadmanager.org/Windows-PC/GMA-Solitaire-FREE.html

Just go down to the download link.

Dave

Dave
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At 01:23 PM 12/8/2016, you wrote:

Hi there Folks!

I really enjoyed playing Solitaire for years! But since the last 
Windows 10 update the game has been gone from my desktop.  I press 
the windows key and type Solitaire and I do get a game that 
way.  Problem, Window-Eyes use to read all the cards, but now 
doesn't read anything?  I tried redrawing the screen and this didn't 
works either.  Wonder if anyone might have an idea on what I might 
do to get Window-Eyes to read the cards again? Or does someone have 
a suggestion on another W.E. friendly solitaire game?  I have been 
playing the standard Klontike version and had no issues with it at 
all.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!  THANKS Much! P.S. I 
generally use the speech for the face cards since I have a bit of a 
problem distingushing some of the face cards.  BTW, I have tried 
both NVDA as well as Microsoft Narator and neither of them read the 
cards either. .


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RE: colors in Word 2007

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Carol,
Any chance you use the Windows High Contrast color scheme?  I do and I find 
that the font color can get messed up by that.  I would often have yellow font 
printing on white paper.  Chip Orange wrote a WE app for me that allows me to 
select all the text and tell it to be black in one shot, so I don't have to 
wonder before sending an email to executives or such.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:13 AM
To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: colors in Word 2007

Hi,
Move to the text you want to see the color of and press control-numpad-delete.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: colors in Word 2007

Hello.

I am currently trying to print a mailing label.  I don't think it is printing 
correctly.  I looked under the font settings and there is a button there which 
states that the color is white.  Shouldn't it be black if one is printing on 
white paper?  How do I know what color to choose and can someone tell me what I 
should do to make sure the color is actually black on a white sheet of paper?  
I looked at something that said black text, but it had numbers after it, and 
the numbers changed as I arrowed down.  The numbers were things like black text 
20, black text 15, etc.  Also, what does the automatic button do?  Thank you.

Carol


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RE: Clipboard keys

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Make sure your key label dictionary is enabled under dictionaries.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 7:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Clipboard keys

hi all

With the latest W-E and Windows7, W-E suddenly stopped saying "copy to 
clipboard" ETC.  How do I get that back.  I've been wandering around in the 
labyrinth without success.

--
Reg


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Clipboard keys

[Reg Webb via Talk]

hi all

With the latest W-E and Windows7, W-E suddenly stopped saying "copy to
clipboard" ETC.  How do I get that back.  I've been wandering around in
the labyrinth without success.

-- 
Reg


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RE: colors in Word 2007

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Move to the text you want to see the color of and press control-numpad-delete.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: colors in Word 2007

Hello.

I am currently trying to print a mailing label.  I don't think it is printing 
correctly.  I looked under the font settings and there is a button there which 
states that the color is white.  Shouldn't it be black if one is printing on 
white paper?  How do I know what color to choose and can someone tell me what I 
should do to make sure the color is actually black on a white sheet of paper?  
I looked at something that said black text, but it had numbers after it, and 
the numbers changed as I arrowed down.  The numbers were things like black text 
20, black text 15, etc.  Also, what does the automatic button do?  Thank you.

Carol


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