Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I couldn't get it to work at all.  Tried to put in ten  imutes and kept 
saying error on that screen, then no matter whaqt program wanted an 
input, it was huong up there.  I finall had to start nvda without addons 
and dump it.  It said alt a and had up down to pick hours, minutes or 
seconds, nothing I did let me enter anything.
I'll just keep reloading windoweyes ai guess as that script does exactly 
what I need it to do.  Thanks.  If you figure it out, let me know how to 
enter a time.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022, Rod 
Hutton via Talk wrote:





Hi Butch,

I found an NVDA add-on which is quite impressive and has the identical 
announcement functionality which the app I had written for you has when using 
window eyes, That is, it can chime or even announce the time every 10 minutes.
If you are  interested , here is the link:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clock.en.html

Let me know what you think.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 12, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

73
Butch
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I have dual boot on this machine, but usually run seven.  On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, 
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

Yes, well, Winamp would have to be open in order to be playing.
Also, I assume you were running Windows 10?
If so, I could probably look for a free  or relatively inexpensive timer app 
which would do the trick.
If you don’t care about the interface, I could probably write a batch file with 
a command line audio player playing the files I mentioned.
It’s really up to your personal preference.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? Also, 
the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.
I didn't know what was involved.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often run 
nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone program.  
If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for doing it.  Reply 
to but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

73
Butch
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Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


I have dual boot on this machine, but usually run seven.  On Sat, 12 Mar 
2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Butch,

Yes, well, Winamp would have to be open in order to be playing.
Also, I assume you were running Windows 10?
If so, I could probably look for a free  or relatively inexpensive timer app 
which would do the trick.
If you don’t care about the interface, I could probably write a batch file with 
a command line audio player playing the files I mentioned.
It’s really up to your personal preference.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from my iPod


On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? Also, 
the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.
I didn't know what was involved.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.



On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPod


On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:


I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often run 
nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone program.  
If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for doing it.  Reply 
to but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? 
Also, the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.

I didn't know what was involved.
73
Butch
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On Sat, 12 
Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPod


On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often run 
nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone program.  
If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for doing it.  Reply 
to but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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timer script you wrote for me

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often 
run nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone 
program.  If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for 
doing it.  Reply to but...@shellworld.net

or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
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Re: turning off browse mode in Chrome?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Hello Rod.  I asked the other day, and if there was an answer, I missed 
it.  What is the hot key to labele custom controls.  I"m drawing a blank.

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Re: copying to clipboard

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm having a total memory loss.  What is the command to assign a custom 
control.  Thanks.

73
Butch
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:


Hi Butch,

You?re not dreaming. Smile.
As memory serves, you can windowize the window, meaning that you can change the 
window from its maximized state into a windowed state.
This is done using alt spacebar.
Once you do that, you  have activated the control menu  and the down Arrow Will 
navigate to the option called edit.
This enables editing options such as selecting text within a window, whereby 
you can then copy the screen contents to the clipboard.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:10 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: copying to clipboard

I sometimes still run teraterm, and I was think there use to be a way to
highlight stuff on the screen with window-eyes and copy to the clipboard,
but I don't remember how.  Am I dreaming?
I get an error when trying to ssh into a particular address and want to
copy the error.
Thanks.

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Try n v d a.  I jump back and forrth between windoweyes and n v d a.  n 
v d a has some nice features, and it is free, although I donate a bit 
when I download a new copy.

73
Butch
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Larry Higgins via Talk 
wrote:


I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, 
but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted  
to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great 
screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely 
submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has 
more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow 
enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. 
It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I 
mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak 
were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the 
audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a 
bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more 
human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the 
way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech 
delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which 
reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of 
Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of  Window-Eyes's 
41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to 
have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. 
There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but 
on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and 
less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get 
into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we 
sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in
 the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top,
 and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.

 -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
 To: Donald Roberts via Talk
 Cc: Rick Jarvis
 Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Checking in

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I use n v d a and window-eyes.  Once in a while there is a button buy 
now or place order, can't recall which that window-eyes doesn't see.  So 
I load nvda.  The reverse is true on some pages, so I jjump bac k and 
forth between the two.  i tried apple here, and just couldn't get the 
hang of all the different key commands, so stick with micro dollar.

73
Butch
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On 
Mon, 27 Dec 2021, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Orlando,

If you are asking whether I use the Amazon website on windows in a browser, no, 
I do not.
I tend to use Apple devices for as much as I can these days.
So, I tend to use the Amazon app on an iPod or iPhone or iPad.
Apple devices tend to be very accessible and so this is always preferable to 
using windows.
The long and short of it is that windows is my last resort.
I also have a Mac book, and so I even try to do things with Safari on the Mac 
before I turn to windows.
I do have Jaws, which is excellent for Webb work these days, and I use Google 
Chrome as my default browser.
I recommend trying the Amazon site with this combination, assuming you have 
Jaws.

Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

Take care, and stay well.

Rod


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From: Talk  on behalf of 
Orlando Fiol via Talk 
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 2:27:42 PM
Cc: Orlando Fiol 
Subject: Checking in

Hello, Hope you're good

Do you order on amazon site?
Thanks,Orlando
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Re: copying to clipboard

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

73
Butch
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Thanks.  On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:


Hi Butch,

You?re not dreaming. Smile.
As memory serves, you can windowize the window, meaning that you can change the 
window from its maximized state into a windowed state.
This is done using alt spacebar.
Once you do that, you  have activated the control menu  and the down Arrow Will 
navigate to the option called edit.
This enables editing options such as selecting text within a window, whereby 
you can then copy the screen contents to the clipboard.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:10 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: copying to clipboard

I sometimes still run teraterm, and I was think there use to be a way to
highlight stuff on the screen with window-eyes and copy to the clipboard,
but I don't remember how.  Am I dreaming?
I get an error when trying to ssh into a particular address and want to
copy the error.
Thanks.

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copying to clipboard

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I sometimes still run teraterm, and I was think there use to be a way to 
highlight stuff on the screen with window-eyes and copy to the clipboard, 
but I don't remember how.  Am I dreaming?
I get an error when trying to ssh into a particular address and want to 
copy the error.

Thanks.

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Re: found notepad problem I think

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

What finally turned me on to scripts was it showed up on a new machine I 
was installing stuff on.  I ran nvda and wasn't there.  reran we, and it 
was.  removed we and reinstalled and it was o.k., so started looking 
through scripts.  One called notepad2, which I thought was some kind of 
enhancement.  Took me forever to find it.
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021, Larry 
Higgins via Talk wrote:


Hey Butch, I actually intended to respond much earlier to your issue with 
Notepad, but happy you were able to finally figure out the source.



I had a similar issue with Thunderbird some time ago. I thought it was some 
how associated with Thunderbird itself, and kind of embarrassed myself a bit 
when asking members of the Thunderbird list how they might go about silencing 
a cute, but annoying sound affect of a loud thunderclap, along with a loudly 
tweeting bird I mean, this thing would some time even go off while using the 
program, or maybe when moving from one app to another with the alt-f4 keys. 
Of course, none on the list were experiencing this annoyance but me, and some 
were wishing that their version of Thunderbird would thunder and tweet at 
them like that.



Well, it didn't take me long to consider that a script might be responsible 
for the sound. So, I did a search through all .wav files on my system, and 
low and behold, I found the offending sound affect, and I proceeded to delete 
the sound with TotalRecorder, and insert silence where the thunderbird used 
to be, and all was well. Of course the script was TBEnhanced.



I must be getting a bit slow in my advanced age, because that incident didn't 
occur to me until others suggested that this might be the problem, or maybe 
you actually figured it out for yourself .



Anyway, just had to share that experience with you.


On 6/26/2021 9:33 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Thanks. It turned out to be some script someone wrote that was run
 whenever notepad was opened.  The script was called notepad2. Took me
 quite a while to find it, but once I did, I dumped that script and back to
 normal.
 Thanks.
 On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:

>  Hi Butch,
> 
>  I did a Google search and found that notepad2 is a program that can be 
>  found on github.

>  Here is the URL:
> 
>  https://github.com/zufuliu/notepad2
> 
>  Somehow the computer you have was tweaked by someone and that program 
>  was installed.
>  I�m not sure if you have any experience with github, but it is usually 
>  possible to uninstall any  github packages.
> 
>  I hope this helps,
> 
>  Rod
> 
>  Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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>  Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:15:04 AM
>  To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  Cc: Butch Bussen 
>  Subject: found notepad problem I think
> 
>  A script called notepad2.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show up under app 
>  or

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notepad problem

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Any of you who have a script folder as I do, might want to look in there 
and dump the notepad2 script.  When I installed it, I just thought it was 
some enhancement to notepad, it is just a stupid welcome to notepad 
message with aplause.

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Re: found notepad problem I think

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks.  It turned out to be some script someone wrote that was run 
whenever notepad was opened.  The script was called notepad2.  Took me 
quite a while to find it, but once I did, I dumped that script and back 
to normal.

Thanks.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:


Hi Butch,

I did a Google search and found that notepad2 is a program that can be found on 
github.
Here is the URL:

https://github.com/zufuliu/notepad2

Somehow the computer you have was tweaked by someone and that program was 
installed.
I?m not sure if you have any experience with github, but it is usually possible 
to uninstall any  github packages.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:15:04 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: found notepad problem I think

A script called notepad2.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show up under app or
73
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found notepad problem I think

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

A script called notepad2.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show up under app or 
73

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window-eyes screwing up notepad

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I've had this problem with notepad and couldn't figure out where it was 
coming from.  Today I'm installing stuff on a new machine.  I installed 
window-eyes and then added a bunch of my favorite scripts.  When I run 
notepad, I get a bunch of clapping and it says "yipee, you are now running 
notepad"  I can't figure out what script or program is doing it.  If I run 
nvda, problem goes away.  I blew away window-eyes and reinstalled without 
adding any scripts and it is still o.k.  Anyone know what script might be 
doing this?


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Re: JAWS and read-all

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I got the demo of text aloud.  I can't see where you can save the file 
to an audio file?  Or does this not work on their trial version?  I got 
it to read a file, but can't see where to save it.
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, 
Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:


I had textaloud long ago and it worked, but I couldn't get the part where you 
could change voice speed to work.  I must not have even kept it, as I don't 
see it on my system any more.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, David Pedersen via Talk wrote:


 Larry,
 Quick note. If you already bought TextAloud, get in touch with Nextup.
 Let them know your email address, used when purchasing. They should be
 able to look you up, and send you your license key again. OK, so TextAloud
 will have been upgraded meanwhile, and you may have lost the original
 installation file. Yet, with the license key at hand, you will only neede
 to pay the upgrade price, which might be some dollars saved for your next
 milkshake.
 You find their contact info on the homepage.


 
 From: Talk 
 on behalf of Larry Higgins via Talk 
 Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 6:48 PM
 To: David Pedersen via Talk 
 Cc: Larry Higgins 
 Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all

 David and all,


 Sorry about the delayed response to this renewed thread concerning my
 issue with Say all and JFW. Father's Day and other family matters.

 Like you David, I can't recommend TextAloud highly enough. Although I do
 not use it at present, my previous version was lost a couple of hard
 drive crashes ago, It really can come in handy for putting .mp3 readings
 on another device, and being able to manipulate the speed of the text
 presentation. Not to mention, not having to put up with the irritating
 reading rhythm issues
 we are talking  about.

 Like now with any screen reader I might use, I always chose to use
 Eloquence as my preferred synthesizer with TextAloud.

 I think I will definitely consider purchasing it again in the near
 future. It is definitely a good and useful product.

 Let me just say what I need to say about the previous suggestions in
 this post. But before I do, I really wish to thank you all for your
 moral support as well as technical advice on the matter.

 I may go to the trouble of trying these tricks with text and punctuation
 and the dictionary, although I must say that seems to me to be a whole
 lot of trouble to have to go too for trying to restore what should be
 the normal reading rhythm, not to mention, unintended consequences. But
 thanks nevertheless for these suggestions.

 What really has me befuddled is how JAWS users can be apparently so
 contented with such a manner and style of reading. I've heard one JFW
 list member speak of it as preferring it as a way of speeding up his
 reading just that much more, especially since he prefers to read at a
 faster clip as a rule. I like being able to speed read when both
 practical and necessary, but I much prefer to read at what one might
 consider a middle or moderate speed when I set out to read especially
 nonfiction works, where I wish to think right along with my reading. I
 prefer to keep both processes as much in sync as at all possible, not to
 read as if I were hurrying  to a fire . Hope that makes sense.
 But people's various comfort levels are strictly their business. I just
 don't like reading with a sense of involuntary impatience, which is what
 this rhythm sounds like to me.

 Oh well, I  think I'd better cease my ramblings before I end up
 confusing everybody.

 I would be grateful for any further ideas and discussion concerning this
 issue.

 Thanks again all of you for your kind  patients and suggestions,

 Larry




 On 6/19/2021 12:50 AM, David Pedersen via Talk wrote:
>  Richard, TextAloud is a standalone software, for converting a text  > 
>  file or document into spoken audio. It was devoped for sighted

 users, > like students or others who has to read lengthy multitudes of
 texts. > The idea is that by use of audio, the reading can be performed
 even > on the go - when you are not near any computer. It further may
 prove > helpful with people who are dyslectics, as they can read by
 audio, > without struggling with their reading capacities. > > As such,
 and as a reply to your question, no TextAloud will not > enterfere with
 the reading performed by the screen reader. In its > basic nature,
 TextAloud can - and is supposed to - be operated all > without any
 screen reader installed. That is, for a sighted person. > True, I did
 mention the software in connection with the screen > reader, namely due
 to the extra length the developers have gone, so > as to ensure the
 software - and all its menus and settings, are all > accessible to the
 blind. Meaning, they clearly are quite aware our > needs. Not too often
 you come across teams that are such willing. > > You will still be using
 the screen reader for

Re: JAWS and read-all

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I had textaloud long ago and it worked, but I couldn't get the part 
where you could change voice speed to work.  I must not have even kept 
it, as I don't see it on my system any more.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, David 
Pedersen via Talk wrote:



Larry,
Quick note. If you already bought TextAloud, get in touch with Nextup.  Let 
them know your email address, used when purchasing. They should be able to look 
you up, and send you your license key again. OK, so TextAloud will have been 
upgraded meanwhile, and you may have lost the original installation file. Yet, 
with the license key at hand, you will only neede to pay the upgrade price, 
which might be some dollars saved for your next milkshake.
You find their contact info on the homepage.



From: Talk  on behalf of 
Larry Higgins via Talk 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 6:48 PM
To: David Pedersen via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all

David and all,


Sorry about the delayed response to this renewed thread concerning my
issue with Say all and JFW. Father's Day and other family matters.

Like you David, I can't recommend TextAloud highly enough. Although I do
not use it at present, my previous version was lost a couple of hard
drive crashes ago, It really can come in handy for putting .mp3 readings
on another device, and being able to manipulate the speed of the text
presentation. Not to mention, not having to put up with the irritating
reading rhythm issues
we are talking  about.

Like now with any screen reader I might use, I always chose to use
Eloquence as my preferred synthesizer with TextAloud.

I think I will definitely consider purchasing it again in the near
future. It is definitely a good and useful product.

Let me just say what I need to say about the previous suggestions in
this post. But before I do, I really wish to thank you all for your
moral support as well as technical advice on the matter.

I may go to the trouble of trying these tricks with text and punctuation
and the dictionary, although I must say that seems to me to be a whole
lot of trouble to have to go too for trying to restore what should be
the normal reading rhythm, not to mention, unintended consequences. But
thanks nevertheless for these suggestions.

What really has me befuddled is how JAWS users can be apparently so
contented with such a manner and style of reading. I've heard one JFW
list member speak of it as preferring it as a way of speeding up his
reading just that much more, especially since he prefers to read at a
faster clip as a rule. I like being able to speed read when both
practical and necessary, but I much prefer to read at what one might
consider a middle or moderate speed when I set out to read especially
nonfiction works, where I wish to think right along with my reading. I
prefer to keep both processes as much in sync as at all possible, not to
read as if I were hurrying  to a fire . Hope that makes sense.
But people's various comfort levels are strictly their business. I just
don't like reading with a sense of involuntary impatience, which is what
this rhythm sounds like to me.

Oh well, I  think I'd better cease my ramblings before I end up
confusing everybody.

I would be grateful for any further ideas and discussion concerning this
issue.

Thanks again all of you for your kind  patients and suggestions,

Larry




On 6/19/2021 12:50 AM, David Pedersen via Talk wrote:

Richard, TextAloud is a standalone software, for converting a text  > file or 
document into spoken audio. It was devoped for sighted

users, > like students or others who has to read lengthy multitudes of
texts. > The idea is that by use of audio, the reading can be performed
even > on the go - when you are not near any computer. It further may
prove > helpful with people who are dyslectics, as they can read by
audio, > without struggling with their reading capacities. > > As such,
and as a reply to your question, no TextAloud will not > enterfere with
the reading performed by the screen reader. In its > basic nature,
TextAloud can - and is supposed to - be operated all > without any
screen reader installed. That is, for a sighted person. > True, I did
mention the software in connection with the screen > reader, namely due
to the extra length the developers have gone, so > as to ensure the
software - and all its menus and settings, are all > accessible to the
blind. Meaning, they clearly are quite aware our > needs. Not too often
you come across teams that are such willing. > > You will still be using
the screen reader for all your computer > activity. TextAloud you will
load when you want to read a text > document, either it be a word
document, a PDF, or a plain text file. > And yes, it holds a build-in
text editor, so you might as well let > it replace your current editor,
for many tasks. > > Since it is offered as a shareware, you could
download and install > it, and do your playing. I do 

RE: reloading page

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I did checik and autoredraw was already off.  I'll try your hot key.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Fri, 9 Apr 2021, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:



Hey Butch, and Rod.

This can also be due to dynamic content changes on the page. You can try
opening the Window-Eyes control panel and going to General, Other, Allow
auto-redraw, and make sure it's off.
You can also try the browse mode refresh rotor hot key, which is Alt+Shift+M
in the desktop layout. It's used to suspend auto-refresh in browse mode. But
the odd thing is I just tried it in Chrome and it says "not a valid key." I
reassigned the key and it still says the same. Yet if I turn on the key
describer and press the keys it says refresh rotor. So I don't know what's
up with that.

Good luck,
Tom



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 6:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: reloading page

Hi Butch,

I'm wondering which browser you are using.
Your experience reminds me of the days when flash was running on the
webpage.
In windows 10 at least, flash has been uninstalled by the flash program
itself since it is no longer being supported.
I don't know whether this is true under Windows 7.
Anyway, just some thoughts.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on
behalf of Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 11:41:20 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: reloading page

I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at the
top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move around.  Any
ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.
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RE: reloading page

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks, I'll give that a try.  Getting back to Rod's note, I think I 
have3 the same problem on my seven box with firefox.  I'll try your 
suggestions.

Thanks.
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


Hey Butch, and Rod.

This can also be due to dynamic content changes on the page. You can try
opening the Window-Eyes control panel and going to General, Other, Allow
auto-redraw, and make sure it's off.
You can also try the browse mode refresh rotor hot key, which is Alt+Shift+M
in the desktop layout. It's used to suspend auto-refresh in browse mode. But
the odd thing is I just tried it in Chrome and it says "not a valid key." I
reassigned the key and it still says the same. Yet if I turn on the key
describer and press the keys it says refresh rotor. So I don't know what's
up with that.

Good luck,
Tom



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 6:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: reloading page

Hi Butch,

I'm wondering which browser you are using.
Your experience reminds me of the days when flash was running on the
webpage.
In windows 10 at least, flash has been uninstalled by the flash program
itself since it is no longer being supported.
I don't know whether this is true under Windows 7.
Anyway, just some thoughts.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on
behalf of Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 11:41:20 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: reloading page

I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at the
top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move around.  Any
ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.
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Re: reloading page

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Well, This machine is still running xp and is running an old firefox. 
Odd thing is, n v d a works fine.  I know, xp is old, but I like it.
`On 
Fri, 9 Apr 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:



Hi Butch,

I?m wondering which browser you are using.
Your experience reminds me of the days when flash was running on the webpage.
In windows 10 at least, flash has been uninstalled by the flash program itself 
since it is no longer being supported.
I don?t know whether this is true under Windows 7.
Anyway, just some thoughts.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 11:41:20 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: reloading page

I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at
the top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move
around.  Any ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.
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reloading page

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

		I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am 
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at 
the top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move 
around.  Any ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.

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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks again.  That did the trick.  I jump between window-eyes and nvda 
73

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and I think that is the find command in nvda.  Anyhow, it is gon.  On Sat, 
3 Apr 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:



Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
?serial? and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word ?serial?, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks much.  Some how, I never saw his response.
I'll try that.
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, Rod 
Hutton wrote:



Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
?serial? and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word ?serial?, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
Butch
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window eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I 
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and 
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done. 
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts? 
Thanks much.

73
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window-eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes 
with the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial 
link" and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no 
change.

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Re: Can't find a Window-Eyes command

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Wasn't there a script that did that.  I never used it as I run clipmate.

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


Donald,

I  just went through the hotkey manager with a fine tooth comb, and can find 
no such command.



Are you absolutely sure that WE got as far as to even introduce such a 
command before its tragic end of life? I believe both JAWS and NVDA have such 
a command, or maybe a way of accessing such a function built into windows 10, 
but I really don't believe Window-Eyes ever introduced anything relating to 
that particular function.


On 3/20/2021 8:41 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

Would someone please tell me the Window-Eyes command to append to
 clipboard.


 Thanks.


 Don Roberts


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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something. 
If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think 
anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many 
cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is 
right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I 
chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I 
said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech

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On 
Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:



If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their emails, I 
don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends you to
the point of taking the time to dictate how others may speak, you need help.

God speed,
(This is an act of good will, not a sales pitch. According to the
Oxford English dictionary it means: an expression of good wishes to a
person starting a journey.) Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 2:46 AM
To: Chester Thrash via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason,
listers are prohibited from discussing said topic..

On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Prohibited by who?  I don't care that you don't believe, so why should 
care that I do?  Kind of interesting don't you think?

73
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, 
Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Some of us question the validity of your deity. For that reason, listers are 
prohibited from discussing said topic..


On 2/21/2021 11:10 PM, Chester Thrash via Talk wrote:

 I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
 blessed night.


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atten. Jane.

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

	Jane, just curious where you live and what version you are 
running.  I use window-eyes, latest version, and nvda for some things. 
WE won't work with latest firefox, but in seven, works amazingingly with 
edge.  To keep traffix off list, please write to me at

but...@fairpoint.net

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On Sun, 21 Feb 
2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:



Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I really 
don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I resisted 
making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE immediately after a 
new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I realized this was not a 
good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse 
the net, more and more sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. 
Finally I gave in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did 
not work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but 
is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided 
to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for office, 
you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was Rod Hutton 
who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been searching my old 
email messages to see if I can find the link.  I actually have the file on my 
Win 10 machine but will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at 
this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we go and 
am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It is in my message.  It says send to
but...@fairpoint.net

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, john schwery 
via Talk wrote:



Butch, I can't find your email address.

At 02:41 PM 2/21/2021, Butch Bussen via Talk, wrote:

I don't think Doug can send you a copy.  Write me off list

Send to
but...@fairpoint.net

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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

> Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
> I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I 
> really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving 
> me crazy.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
> To: Jane Carona via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
> resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
> immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I 
> realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE 
> and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites indicated 
> that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and decided to 
> switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all with MS 
> Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it perfect, 
> no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided to 
> switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
> will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
> understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to 
> do.
> 
> As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
> office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was 
> Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been 
> searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
> actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
> how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.
> 
> One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
> go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps. 
> Bernie.
> 
> On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

> > Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-

> > From: Talk
> >  On Behalf
> > Of BK via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: BK 
> > Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> > 
> > 
> > Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
> > WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with 
> > win 10.

> > That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
> > 
> > Butch K.

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I don't think Doug can send you a copy.  Write me off list

Send to
but...@fairpoint.net

73
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On Sun, 21 Feb 
2021, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:



Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I really 
don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I resisted 
making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE immediately after a 
new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I realized this was not a 
good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse 
the net, more and more sites indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. 
Finally I gave in and decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did 
not work at all with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but 
is it perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided 
to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good. I 
will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for office, 
you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it was Rod Hutton 
who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been searching my old 
email messages to see if I can find the link.  I actually have the file on my 
Win 10 machine but will have to figure out how to send it.  I am not sure at 
this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we go and 
am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of
WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I upgraded a couple computers a couple years ago, and did not tell 
window-eyes not to run.  It locked up the saystem and I had to start 
fvrom scratch losing everything on that system.  The next time, I think 
I either uninstalled window-eyes or told it not to run at startup, not 
sure.  Anyhow, that one worked as expected.  I have a lot of stuff that 
won't run under ten, so run seven 32 bit system which will much of my 
older stuff such as my old pc braille program.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Steve 
Jacobson via Talk wrote:



I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New 

Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I still use window-eyes most of the time.  I find on some internet 
73

Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


pages, n v d a works better.  I won't use jaws.  On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, Jane 
Carona via Talk wrote:



Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

This is latest manual and mp3s.  I'll have to dig for older versions.
73
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On 
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Yes, I put up on shellworld.  I think I called it we-tut.zip.
I also put up we-man.zip.

To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, Drew Clark via Talk wrote:


 hi it says 404

 On 9/27/20, Joseph Norton via Talk  wrote:
>  Hi:
> 
>  I have a copy of Vocal-Eyes demo 3.0, and, according to the readme

>  file, the manual is supposed to be included, but, it isn't.
> 
>  If anyone knows where I can get a more complete download, expecially

>  so I can actually view the manual, I'd be interested in playing with
>  it.  I used ASAP for most of my DOS career, but, I know many sware by
>  Vocal-Eyes.
> 
>  Window-Eyes was my GoTo screen-reader of choice until the sad day when

>  it met its demise, but, I never gave the DOS product a chance.
> 
>  Cheers!
> 
>  On 9/26/20, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> >  Wow! What a flashback. Now all we need is to hear VocalEyes in DOS to
> >  complete the picture.
> >  Have fun.
> >  Tom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On 9/25/2020 11:31 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

> > >  Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text

> > >  Assist.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing

> > >  demo
> > >  files.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Enjoy!
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Re: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yes, I put up on shellworld.  I think I called it we-tut.zip.
I also put up we-man.zip.

To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen

On Sun, 13 
Dec 2020, Drew Clark via Talk wrote:



hi it says 404

On 9/27/20, Joseph Norton via Talk  wrote:

Hi:

I have a copy of Vocal-Eyes demo 3.0, and, according to the readme
file, the manual is supposed to be included, but, it isn't.

If anyone knows where I can get a more complete download, expecially
so I can actually view the manual, I'd be interested in playing with
it.  I used ASAP for most of my DOS career, but, I know many sware by
Vocal-Eyes.

Window-Eyes was my GoTo screen-reader of choice until the sad day when
it met its demise, but, I never gave the DOS product a chance.

Cheers!

On 9/26/20, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

Wow! What a flashback. Now all we need is to hear VocalEyes in DOS to
complete the picture.
Have fun.
Tom



On 9/25/2020 11:31 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.



It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text
Assist.



I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing
demo
files.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1



Enjoy!

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Re: Subscribing to the blind-l list

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I think the owner of that list has died and I don't think anyone knows 
how or has taken it over.  I'm pretty sure I read where the owner died 
some time back.

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I apologize for an off topic post on this list.  However, I subscribed to the 
blind-l list and received confirmation that my subscription request hhad  
been forwarded to the list owner. However, I have thus far received no 
messages or confirmation since sending the subscribe message on Saturday.


Since there are blind-l list members on this list, please contact the list 
owner on my behalf.


Thanks.
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Re: going back to earlier version

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks.  I uninstalled it, and all my stuff also went away.  I had even 
made a backup copy, but left it in the same user folder.  Fortunately I 
had a close copy on another backup of this drive, so got gthings back.  On 
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Hi Butch,

All you would have to do is uninstall window eyes and your default profile 
folder, which holds all the apps, remains intact.
Then reinstall the version you want.
This is my  Suggestion.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Butch Bussen  wrote:

I'm running xp on this box for various reasons.  I was having some problems on 
a page that I thought might be fixed by upgrading from my 8.5 to 9.1.  Well, it 
didn't fix the problems, but did seem to slow this machine down considerably, 
and when I hit k in some e-mails it says I need something, not sure what, but 
when I say yes download it takes me to gwmicro page which goes no where.  
Anyhow, I was thinking there was an easy way to saves scripts and sets.  I'm 
not sure what it is wanting, so I'm wanting to uninstall this and go back to 
8.5.  Is there an easy way to do this?  I use to know this stuff, but severe c 
r s these days.  Thanks.

Thanks.
73
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going back to earlier version

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm running xp on this box for various reasons.  I was having some 
problems on a page that I thought might be fixed by upgrading from my 8.5 
to 9.1.  Well, it didn't fix the problems, but did seem to slow this 
machine down considerably, and when I hit k in some e-mails it says I need 
something, not sure what, but when I say yes download it takes me to 
gwmicro page which goes no where.  Anyhow, I was thinking there was an 
easy way to saves scripts and sets.  I'm not sure what it is wanting, so 
I'm wanting to uninstall this and go back to 8.5.  Is there an easy way to 
do this?  I use to know this stuff, but severe c r s these days.  Thanks.


Thanks.
73
Butch
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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I saved this stuff  from long ago.  From Doug.
As for command prompts, there are two suggestions.  One is make sure you
 press control-insert-c to auto detect the caret and, I've recommended 
this before but don't believe anybody ever tried it, setup your windows 
10 command prompts to use a legacy console.  Just open up a command 
prompt and press alt-space for the system menu. Select properties and in

 this dialog check the last checkbox "Use legacy console".  Restart your
 command prompt...you'll likely have to re-detect the caret after doing
this but from then on, it should work...at least mine does.

and more
Open the start menu and go to Windows System folder, Command prompt.
Open the context menu and go to Open file location.
Open the context menu on the shortcut file, go to the Options tab, and 
check

Use legacy console.
this should do the trick. The new console is useless to me.

On 
Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Tom via Talk wrote:



Hi Rod,

I deleted the apps from,
backslash Program Files (x86) backslash GW Micro backslash
Window-Eyes.

I guess that comes from all the years I worked in DOS. Hard
to teach an old dog new tricks!

I'm disappointed that Window-Eyes won't do anything with the
command line prompt in
Windows ten.

In my younger days I wouldn't have given up so easy in
dealing with the problem Window-Eyes has with apps but I now
just do what I have to do to get along!

Tom

** Your Message **

Hi Tom,

I'm not sure precisely what you mean when you say you

deleted apps from the GW Micro folder.

Do you mean that you went into the folder where Window-Eyes

is installed, that is, backslash Program Files (x86)
backslash GW Micro backslash Window-Eyes and deleted them
from there?

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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Rod is so right.  I have found things that window-eyes will read that 
others will not.  Well, I don't use jaws much, so it might.  When I look 
at a book on Amazon, there are buttons that say send a free sample, buy 
now, and a box that lets me select which of my kindle devices I want it 
sent to.  nvda reads none of these choices.

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On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, Rod 
Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they had 
even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update server 
was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the 
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and virtual 
machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or NVDA 
or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, and so I 
am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in 
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office 
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to allow 
me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk" 
 wrote:

   I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
   worse each day. To day it's useless.

   Window-Eyes 9.5.4

   Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

   When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
   installing it with no apps.

   Thanks,

   Tom

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Re: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It isn't to bad.  The I think call the insert key on numpad the vda key, 
but that can be changed.  Insert key plus space jumps you in and out of 
browse mode.  Insert ctrl f I think if find command.  To read to end, 
insert down arrow.  I use a version with eloquance, so I like it a lot.

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On 
Fri, 7 Aug 2020, Tom via Talk wrote:



Hi Rod,

Just downloaded it. Got to learn a lot first.

Thanks,

\Tom

** Your Message **

Hi Tom,

Have you tried NVDA?


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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I won't run jaws either.  I use window-eyes when possible and also run n 
v d a.  Each program does some things better.

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On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, Larry 
Higgins via Talk wrote:



David,

Thanks much for the URL for the cleaner. Although I have managed to solve my 
Winamp issue with a system restore, I am having an issue with Window-Eyes 
which renders browse mode a bit unstable, and can't figure out why I am the 
only one using Windows 10 who seems to be having a problem using WE.



My reasons for using an end of life product like Window-Eyes are plenty, not 
the least of which is not wanting to even consider purchasing JAWS, due to 
both, the money involved, and their cut throat ways, and the way they went 
after Window-Eyes in what I suspect was a rather underhanded manner. But then 
again, that is just personal opinion and suspicion. Maybe the guys at GWMicro 
could have played things a little smarter, but the loss of both the product 
and such a good company with such fine staff was IMHO a travesty.



Sorry, really didn't mean to digress in such a manner, but there are just 
some things for which I find WE quite Necessary, especially as they relate to 
Reading my books from Bookshare. It looks like IE11 is the only handy way I 
can find to read them, and WE and their browse mode in their present 
condition on my system leave much to be desired. But, who knows, maybe 
RegClean may play an important part in clearing things up.



Thanks for reading this far. I will be shouting from the rooftops as well as 
the Net if I finally come up with a solution.



Take care,


Larry

On 2/28/2020 12:50 PM, David via Talk wrote:

 As for trouble with the Registry, CCleaner might be of some help. You
 find it at

       ccleaner.com

 The Home Standard version, is free of charge. Basically, long as you do
 not change the factory settings, it might be safe enough to run. But you
 might want to  go through the settings, to make sure it does what you
 want, and nothing more. In the Main menu, choose Options, then Settings.
 Work your way through the tabs, and it will at least give you an idea
 what kind of issues the cleaner will care for.


 Note that a cleaner will not repair anything. It will remove things that
 seem to be outdated or left-overs, even broken. In other words, if your
 MP3's do not play, the cleaner might not fix that in itself. But it
 might remove a broken connection between your file type and the player.
 This will leave the MP3 connection open so to speak, and you then will
 be able to reconnect it with your chosen player. Broken connections, or
 associations, may cause trouble to many things on your computer, since
 they serve as a road map for the computer to know where to take given
 info, and what to do about it. Such broken stuff might come from
 uninstalling, updating or otherwise changing software on your PC. They
 can even arise as a consequence of a power failure, a failed or
 cancelled operation, a forced shut down of the system, or any untold
 reasons.


 Another software that I have been benefitting from, and which takes care
 of different issues, is SpyBot Search and Destroy. One place to get that
 one from, is:

       ninite.com


 SpyBot is an Anti-Spyware. But due to the fact that spyware includes a
 number of techniques, and some of them meddle with many things on your
 computer, a side-effect of SpyBot is that it might happen to clean out
 things that solves technical issues. Again, the benefit of such, is that
 it leaves you with a more clean PC, and makes it easier for you to
 troubleshoot. Leaving factory settings usually is the best way, but it
 leaves you certain control over its activity.


 Both the above cleaners do work with WinEyes. They are, as most modern
 software, quite mouse entensive. As a note, I just tested them this
 morning when cleaning up my system, with Jaws 18 and likewise NVDA.
 Clearly, WinEyes offered you the best control. Even in CCleaner's latest
 version, NVDA worked only so well, and Jaws failed altogether. WinEyes
 got the job done. Funny how different screen readers work, and how the
 old approach sometimes is the better go.


 All of this, only for your information.


 David

 On 2/26/2020 9:40 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>  Hey Rod, that's OK, we all have days like that. I just decided to go
>  for it, because since other extensions were being likewise effected, I
>  just deduced that it must definitely be a registry issue. Certainly a
>  chance worth taking, especially since I didn't figure it could do any
>  real damage considering that I hadn't installed anything else over the
>  past week.
> 
> 
>  I did uninstall and reinstall Winamp, but to no avail. I started to

>  realize that the registry might be an issue when I tried to change the
>  preference through the default app extensions option, and found that
>  there was nothing for .mp3 without that Winamp URL Command Handler 
>  thing.
> 
> 

Re: Removal display of location

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Isn't it under view and choose details in windows explorer?
73
Butch
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On Fri, 7 Feb 
2020, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


David, I think I know what he is talking about, but I have no solution 
either. Seems to me however that there is some setting within Windows itself 
that keeps beginners in mind, meaning that in order to get such users used to 
the Windows environment, that such descriptions are turned on and off via 
some setting, but for the life of me, I cannot remember what it is or where 
it is to be found.



I have the same issue here, and someone on another list suggested that I turn 
off Tooltips to deal with this annoying extra verbiage. If anybody has any 
information as to where the setting I am speaking of is located, don't 
hesitate to put the information out there. This is really a PITA.




On 2/6/2020 11:15 PM, David via Talk wrote:

 Not sure if I understood your query fully. But maybe this is what you
 are looking for?


 Go to the WE Control Panel, and scroll to Verbose. Expand with
 Right-Arrow, Scroll down to Miscellaneous, and then use your Tab-key.
 You will find some settings for index speaking.



 David

 On 2/7/2020 12:07 AM, gemini43--- via Talk wrote:
>  How do you eliminate the speaking of Item locations from desktop items 
>  and

>  other locations of items.
> 
> 
> 
>  I am running Win7 64bit and Window Eyes 9.4
> 
> 
> 
>  Thanks for any help.
> 
> 
> 
>  Jim
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RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

ONly time I get sticky key thing is if I hold down on a key to long. 
Not sure how to turn it off.

73
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, madl--- via Talk wrote:


Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
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On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch
any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble -
I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the
core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given
situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity
of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other
software might have caused

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange 
in wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the 
problem.  Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.

 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
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On 
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:



Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not
know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in
its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of
strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of
the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It
is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time.
Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your
key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift
keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck.

But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet,
for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky
thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being
stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key
pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This
morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing.

First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was
almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not
to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all
well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice,
which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am
sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or
restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch any
Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - I
am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the core
code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given situations -
will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity of other
software? Might it happen, that some residues from other software might
have caused this to come up? Or, could it be in one of the apps, and who
knows why WinEyes is unable to wipe it out, even when all apps are being
turned off? Since restarting the screen reader is all it takes, it seems
something just needs to be nullified. Something that the screen reader
does, through its initialization. Or, something that it manages to close
down, whenever the screen reader is being unloaded altogether.

Restarting the screen reader is not all that much of a go, if that is
all it takes to solve a frustration. Still, i did wonder, if any of you
have had the same experience, or something similar. OK, still under Win7
for a moment, so not sure if this is something that might have been
cared for in later flavors. The issue has been going on for years, but
seems to me, to take place more frequent lately.

Just for the record, I do not exactly blame this on WinEyes. I 

RE: Off-topic: Linux

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I didn't know window-eyes would do this.  What will it actually read, 
and what is this under in the manual?  Thanks.

73
Butch
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, Rod 
Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Shannon,

The hot key is Ctrl-Alt-V.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Shannon via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Shannon 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Dear Friend,
can you refresh my mind, how to turn on the feature to read a scanned text 
document in Window eyes?
Thnk You very much.
Shannon


-Original Message-
From: dhoffjr--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: dhof...@att.net
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

As another responder told you, Vinux is no longer being developed.  If
you are a total beginner I suggest you look at "Slint" which is a branch
of Slackware Linux and is very accessible with a screen reader. Do a
Google search for the download which is about a 4 plus gigabyte download
but a very all inclusive installation and easy to install. The
maintainer of "Slint" is a very helpful person and I understand there is
a very helpful user mail list.  But, as I said earlier, the Orca screen
reader is not as far advanced as WindowEyes was in Windows. If you like
tinkering then you will like Linux.

I have a link for the Slint mail list but am not sure is it is correct.
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr

Good luck.
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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

No, should give that a try I suppose.  Thanks.


73
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Rod 
Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Butch,

Have you tried Google Chrome?
This is going to be the browser of the future, since even Microsoft's default 
browser, Chromium, will be based on it.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: September 1, 2019 3:50 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?

I've found that many things require me to run firefox, which in seven won't 
work with window-eyes, must use n v d a.  On my xp box I can run an older 
firefox and run window-eyes.  Most things work o.k. there, but baseball m l b 
requires firefox in seven, they won't even let explorer work in seven.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


Yes!  I would so much love for it to be revived and updated.  I'm not
sure if the problems I'm having with my computer have to do with
window eyes or something else.  I'm still using windows 7 and window
eyes, but I'm also using internet explorer.  I get a lot of blank spaces.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,
Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 10:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?

Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT
ALWAYS ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to
completely part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I've found that many things require me to run firefox, which in seven 
won't work with window-eyes, must use n v d a.  On my xp box I can run 
an older firefox and run window-eyes.  Most things work o.k. there, but 
baseball m l b requires firefox in seven, they won't even let explorer 
work in seven.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Yes!  I would so much love for it to be revived and updated.  I'm not sure if 
the problems I'm having with my computer have to do with window eyes or 
something else.  I'm still using windows 7 and window eyes, but I'm also 
using internet explorer.  I get a lot of blank spaces.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
Talk

Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 10:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?

Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT ALWAYS
ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to completely
part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I still use window-eyes and when I can't use n v d a.  There a few 
strange things that show up with window-eyes that don't with n v d a. 
Still by far my favorite.

73
Butch
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On Fri, 
30 Aug 2019, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:



Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT ALWAYS
ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to completely
part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm only guessing.  Have you tried with the file highlighted, not open, 
and doing a right click and looking under properties and see if there is 
anything there to unprotect or make the file not a a read only?  Just a 
thought.


73
Butch
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2019, Mike via Talk wrote:


Hello Rod

Thanks but I have tried it without the space and still no luck.


I have been working down through the file menu to options and then trusted, 
as recommended by John.  However, Window-eyes won't allow me to check or 
uncheck the boxes which seem to have something to do with my problem.



I may have to wait for sighted assistance.


Best wishes


Mike.



On 11/08/2019 11:22, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 I don't work with Excel much, but I venture a guess that the space you
 read in the response was related to the fact that the person was dictating
 his response on his iPhone.
 Therefore, what I'm saying is the space should be ignored. Smile

 Hth,

 Rod

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 From: Talk  On
 Behalf Of Mike via Talk
 Sent: August 11, 2019 4:12 AM
 To: Moe Adl via Talk 
 Cc: Mike 
 Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

 Hello


 Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to work on my machine.  After pressing
 f6 followed by space f2 I get the same message about protected mode. 
 Many thanks though for taking the time to reply.


 Best wishes


 Mike.

 On 11/08/2019 00:42, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:
>  Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >  On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk 
> >   wrote:
> > 
> >  Hello Everyone
> > 
> > I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to 
> > read character and numbers individually.The files are protected and 
> > so I can't use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can 
> > cursor across names and numbers?
> > 
> > With thanks in advance
> > 
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RE: Windows Update 1903

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

When I did that a year or so ago and left window-eyes installed, the 
machine locked up.  I was on line with microsoft and their oly solution 
was to completelly blow it away and start over so I lost all of my files 
and settings.  If you do hleave window-eyes on the machine, set it not 
to run at boot up.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2019, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Netbat,

Actually, that is not quite correct.
It is not necessary to uninstall Window-Eyes if you are upgrading a Windows 7 
machine to Windows 10.
Rather, you can leave Window-Eyes installed.
After the upgrade, You must reinstall Window-Eyes in order to upgrade the audio 
driver.
Leaving Window-Eyes installed allows you to preserve your Window-Eyes settings 
after upgrading to Windows 10 and then reinstalling Window-Eyes.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: August 3, 2019 12:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Windows Update 1903

no.
this only applies if you are upgrading from windows 7 to 10.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Windows Update 1903

I am upgrading Windows 10 for the first time. I currently have Windows 10 1809. 
I am being asked to upgrade to version 1903. I have Window-Eyes 9.5.4 on my PC. 
I want to keep my current programs and settings. I have heard that I must 
uninstall Window-Eyes first. Is this true? I also currently have JAWS
2019  on my PC.

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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Another way to get into safe mode is to use msconfig if you can get into 
windows.  I did some looking on line and found a .reg file that turns 
sound on for nvda, so I assume this should work with w e as well, 
although it is built into w e.  The file is

Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip
It is on shellworld.
It is a reg file.
To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat 
via Talk wrote:



what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
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Re: Off-Topic: Braille Translation Software

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I have used nfbtrans.  It is free and does a good job.  It is here on 
shellworld.

To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


On Sat, 20 Jul 2019, David via Talk wrote:


Don't know if any of you listers own a Braille Embosser. Just wondered
if someone happen to know of any OK translation software.


I did use Duxbury in the past, but have lost my license key. And from
what I can make out of it, that package is not exactly cheap.


Basically, I need just a piece of software, that will format a plain
text, into something printable in Braille. Of course, it will be best if
it manages Grade-Two, as well.


If any of you would have some brand name, or some kind of experience to
share, please let me know. Contact me off-list, that we don't clutter
the traffic here.


If nothing else, I would have to write my own little piece of software,
to handle the few printing jobs I need. Does there exist any booklets,
that define the printing rules of American Grade-Two (contracted)
Braille? Anything up-to-date available on the net?


Thanks for any feedback.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks, that did the trick.  Once in safe mode, I deleted the avast 
folder.  I also ran msconfig and unchecked it in the startup tab.  Once 
back in normal windows, be sure you tell msconfig to start in normal 
mode, I went to add remove prograams.  Avast was still listed, but when 
I tried to uninstall it, it failed of course and asked me if I wanted it 
removed from the list.  Sure glad we works in safe mode.  Thanks again 
for everyone's help.

73
Butch
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:


what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

THanks, I'll give this a try.
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btw, it is seven.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:


what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

same situation here, thought I remembered it right, and it is on a dell.

Maybe I'll dig out a double talk if I can find mine.
BTW, win 7 32 bit.
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019, 
David wrote:



Was in a similar situation lately, having Avast installing itself as
part of some bundled update. For everyone's record, Win7 64Bit, though I
see that of little help in this regard.


I too would have liked to go into safe mode,and perform the Avast
removal from there. Obviously, when you turn on your computer, keep
pressing repeatedly, and rapidly on the F8. Then the Loading screen of
your system should come up, and if memory serves me right you would have
to press once on the Down-Arrow, followed by Enter. Windows should now
launch in Safe Mode.


Once launched, you are supposed to press the Alt-Ctrl-W, to have WinEyes
loading. I tried, but had no luck. I tried to press the hotkeys for
NVDA, or Jaws, hoping that either of the screen readers would talk to
me. But apparently my built-in sound card on my Dell computer, does not
support Safe Mode, and from what I was told, you then would be out of luck.


So, how did I get rid of Avast? If you are on Win7, you could go to the
Programs And Features, and try to uninstall Avast from there. OK, that
screen does not talk much, and you can try operate the buttons on the
screen as much as you want, it won't help you.


In WinEyes, there is an app named Virtual View. It did, far as I
remember, come as part of the standard installation. If not, you might
see if anyone on the list could drop you a copy. Jaws has its OCR
feature, that will perform much the same. They both will try to perform
an OCR on your screen, and then present you with a textual version of
the contents. Along with some means of pressing the buttons on the
screen. That is, you press the buttons in the OCR screen, and it will
fly the message over to the Avast Uninstaller, as if you had pressed the
buttons directly there.


What happened in my case,was that Jaws would read the screen far better
than WinEyes, but I only could presse the buttons through the use of
Virtual View in WinEyes. Meaning, I needed have both WinEyes and Jaws
launched at the same time. This was not easy, and took me considerable
time to figure how to manage two screen readers - and their cooperation
- at the same time as I was trying to figure the uninstall process itself.


Thing is, Avast won't just let you uninstall. It first want to know Why,
and if you are Sure, even if you are going to Install Again, or if you
would like to Recommend the software to others. Having clicked some
buttons, and I do think there was a couple of Checkboxes, Avast finally
gives up on you, and dig itself out of the system.


Be forewarned though. It does not do a too good job in cleaning up the
traces in your registry, so chances are that a Registry cleansing would
be your next wanting.


Before anyone have chance to ask the next question, here is the answer.

Isn't there an Uninstaller for Avast, that can be run outside the
Programs An Features? Sure, just go on the net and search for remove
Avast, and you will find it. Yet, I do not know if you really want to go
that extra mile. You end up with pretty much the same screens, and just
as little chance to perfomr the uninstallation without two eyes.


Once upon a time, Avast was very accessible, and I used it on my system.
That system got a malware, that Avast had overlooked. And when I tried
to install Avast on my recovered system, it was no longer accessible at
all, and never have been ever since. At least, I have tried it with
WinEyes, NVDA and Jaws, WinXP as well as Win7, to absolutely no avail.
What's more, several pieces of software now aday, come bundled with
Avast, some of them either installing it without asking your permission,
or presenting you with a non-accessible checkbox for determining if
Avast should be installed. Like in the case with CCleaner, who does ask,
but you won't know whether the checkbox is on or off.


Sorry lengthy message, and that I cannot be of much more help. Struggled
several days in figuring my way out of a hard-spot, but somehow managed.
Best thing would be, if you could have two eyes assist you.


And, by all means, make sure you are logged on to the system with
*Adninistrator priveleges.


David

On 7/20/2019 1:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there
was a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. 
Is it f 7 or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
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window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed 
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was 
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7 
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.

73
Butch
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I had a problem once when my new cd was installed as a demmo.  Doug 
offered to send me a new cd, they had messed up the install somehow, or 
he said I could run my synthesizer authorization program which fixed the 
problem.  I had paid for extra voices as I recall.

73
Butch
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 
Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:



Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. 
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate
has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it
has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I
did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired
but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4
upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the
issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions
for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have
responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the fact 
that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, not 
retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes for 
Office 9.5.4.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office version.

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Re: good deal on open book

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Curious what version?
73
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, BK via Talk wrote:


If any one is interested, FS, is now selling open book for $125, it's a
special sale or something. I bought a copy last week. Oh, and you have
to download it. They don't send you a disk.
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Re: eprom burner

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Correction, e-mail should be
but...@fairpoint.net

73
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Butch Bussen via Talk 
wrote:


Back in the good old dos days I had a burner for 27128, 27256, and so forth. 
Needing one, but don't know what is around these days and if the software 
would work with speech.  Write off list if you want to

but...@shellworld.net
or
butchb@fairpointnet.

Any suggestions appreciated.

I know off topic, but didn't know where else to  ask.  Still use window-eyes 
mostly, nvda when I have to.

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eprom burner

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Back in the good old dos days I had a burner for 27128, 27256, and so 
forth.  Needing one, but don't know what is around these days and if the 
software would work with speech.  Write off list if you want to

but...@shellworld.net
or
butchb@fairpointnet.

Any suggestions appreciated.

I know off topic, but didn't know where else to  ask.  Still use 
window-eyes mostly, nvda when I have to.

73
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Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

There are things window-eyes still does better.  On Amazon.com, for 
example, n v d a doesn't show me the buy now button, where window-eyes 
does.

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On Sat, 29 Jun 2019, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them all. 
Pam.


-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the public so
others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to live.
I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!


Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this coming!
But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
deepest sea!

No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.

I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for me.
Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty sure
I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.

If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!

Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Installing Win10

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes.  I did two systems 
with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with 
window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the 
entire drive away.  The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the 
upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes.

73
Butch
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On Thu, 20 Jun 
2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:


My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft 
accessibility desk.  The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer 
was not compatible with the upgrade.  It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and 
Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would 
be in a permanent loop.  It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. 
Their number is (800) 936-5900.


Carol


On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote:

 To the tech guys on this list,

 In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old
 working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a
 backup system.


 I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version
 of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind
 of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was
 a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no
 honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and
 simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally
 clean install of Win10.


 I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get
 a downloadable of the operative system.


 Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion
 on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible
 for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and
 does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch -
 installation?


 Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be
 loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the
 other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked
 a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in
 Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8
 machine of mine going.


 Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing
 my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once
 the right time or offer comes up.



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Re: google crome

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Is this an n v d a script?  Thanks.
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Re: window eyes changed to demo

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I never had one change,, but had an install think it was in demmo mode. 
There was a screw up on some of their distribution cds.  Doug had me 
rerun the voice authorization program which fixed it.

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On Wed, 29 May 2019, 
Ron or Susan Denis via Talk wrote:


It is a privately owned copy of we and not the free version.  It may be that 
there  is no simple solution to thiss problem.  Ron Denis




-Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

Was it a Windows Eyes for Office or a copy  purchased?


- Original Message - From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo



 my old netbook suddwnly changed from full model to demo. tried to register
 and was told file does not exist.   open to any suggestions of how to
 regain registered status.
 Ron Denis
 rs_de...@bellsouth.net
 From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:24 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
 Subject: Re: JAWS question

 Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key
 is
 the Insert key.
 A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
 Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
 action.
 Insert-T: Read title bar.
 Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in
 Window-Eyes.
 Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
 Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
 Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
 Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
 Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
 Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
 The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
 six-pack that are to the left of it.
 Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
 transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the
 current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
 interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will
 be
 productive.



 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
 To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Norene Trappa
 Subject: Re: JAWS question

 Hello!

 Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
 question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
 Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
 necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
 reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
 challenge.  Thanks in advance.

 Norene Trappa



 -Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: John Covici
 Subject: Re: JAWS question

 There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
 if memory serves.

 On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
 Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
> 
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  Yes, that is possible.
> 
>  The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:

>  %appdata%
>  Here you find a folder freedom scientific
>  In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
>  In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
>  with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
>  folder to the same location on the other computer.
>  I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
>  jaws will not lock files.
> 
>  Regards, Marten
> 
> 
>  On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>   wrote:
> 
> >  Hi:
> > 
> >  My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
> >  another?

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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

If it comes to that, do as I do and go to n v d a, works quite well.
73
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On 
Tue, 14 May 2019, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this matter, 
I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no longer function 
so well.



I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too, but 
totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws. Man, is 
that gona hurt something awful.


On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

 Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809
 and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well
 with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error
 when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice,
 no error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening here?


 Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


 Don Roberts


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Re: Help MLB.com

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Another question, what operating system and what browser?  Won't run 
with explorer under seven.  I use firefox and n v d a, latest one.

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On Sun, 
14 Apr 2019, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:


Once you select a game, you'll be prompted for a name and password. There is 
a check box that says remember me, but mine never does.

73
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:


 I have paid my $19.99 to mlb.com to renew for this season. I have a new
 password. Cannot find where to log in. Help!

 Bob
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Re: Help MLB.com

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Once you select a game, you'll be prompted for a name and password. 
There is a check box that says remember me, but mine never does.

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I have paid my $19.99 to mlb.com to renew for this season. I have a new 
password. Cannot find where to log in. Help!

Bob
r...@ringwald.com
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Re: OT - For Butch

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm up occassionally.  If I do, I'll listen for you.  seven to 8 is to 
late for as as I'm sure the band is long gone after sun up.  We'll see, 
I'll keep this note.

73
Butch
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:


  If I wake up early enough, I am on 3845.5 between 5 and 7 AM PDT. Then
move to 3865, 7 to 8 AM. But that is probably too late. K5BJY has spoken
about you several times.


-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 5:04 AM
To: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: OT - For Butch

I'm usually not up this early, but woke up this morning.  If you get
this, we could try something.  Let me know freq.  I have my extra so can
go anywhere.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:


 Butch,
 Are you on 75 meters early in morning? If so, freq and time?

 -Bob K6YBV

 -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
 Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 11:18 AM
 To: Tom Kingston via Talk
 Cc: Butch Bussen
 Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

 I don't like their new page either.  Try going to
 mlb.com/mediacenter
 73
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 Kingston via Talk wrote:

>   I don't use the site. But part of the problem is probably using IE. 
>   Many

>   sites don't support it any more. Development ended years ago and it's a
>   security risk.
> 
>   On 4/8/2019 11:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

> >Running Windows 10
> >Latest Window-Eyes
> >or latest Jaws
> >IE
> > 
> >I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.
> > 
> >Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.
> > 
> >I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I

> >  have
> >   a
> >new hard drive and can't find that URL.
> > 
> >-Bob
> > 
> > 
> >-Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk

> >Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
> >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >Cc: john schwery
> >Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com
> > 
> >Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm

> >running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.
> > 
> >At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

> > >I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site.
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Re: OT - For Butch

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'm usually not up this early, but woke up this morning.  If you get 
this, we could try something.  Let me know freq.  I have my extra so can 
go anywhere.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:


Butch,
Are you on 75 meters early in morning? If so, freq and time?

-Bob K6YBV

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 11:18 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

I don't like their new page either.  Try going to
mlb.com/mediacenter
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, Tom
Kingston via Talk wrote:


 I don't use the site. But part of the problem is probably using IE. Many
 sites don't support it any more. Development ended years ago and it's a
 security risk.

 On 4/8/2019 11:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>   Running Windows 10
>   Latest Window-Eyes
>   or latest Jaws
>   IE
> 
>   I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.
> 
>   Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.
> 
>   I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I 
>   have

>  a
>   new hard drive and can't find that URL.
> 
>   -Bob
> 
> 
>   -Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk

>   Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Cc: john schwery
>   Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com
> 
>   Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm

>   running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.
> 
>   At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I don't like their new page either.  Try going to
mlb.com/mediacenter
73
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, Tom 
Kingston via Talk wrote:


I don't use the site. But part of the problem is probably using IE. Many 
sites don't support it any more. Development ended years ago and it's a 
security risk.


On 4/8/2019 11:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

 Running Windows 10
 Latest Window-Eyes
 or latest Jaws
 IE

 I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

 Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

 I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I have a
 new hard drive and can't find that URL.

 -Bob


 -Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: john schwery
 Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

 Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
 running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It is a strange page for sure.  It won't work with explorer in seven, I 
use firefox and n v d a.  I may have to try Chrome.  Once the player 
comes up after you log in, you have to hit the play button or can just 
hit space bar to turn audio on.  Not one of their best efforts, but they 
really don't seem to care.

73
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On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, john schwery via Talk 
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Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm running Win 7, Chrome and WE 
9.  I can access the games fine.


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Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Write privately if you want. e-mail is
but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

I know one of those people, curious who the second might be.  Thanks.
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On 
Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Tom Kingston 
via Talk wrote:



Sky,
What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the magnifier 
to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a pile of cash for 
the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But the board saw dollar 
signs and said yes.
So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never see 
the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that Window-Eyes 
features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way the two screen 
readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is just the critical 
core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for every day functionality. 
Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a convenient method to tweak things.
Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for Narrator. So 
I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it gets scripting it 
will certainly be a game changer.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

 Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
 I
 was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
 the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
 code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
 so
 then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
 the
 whole code. Something to think about.
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
 To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
 Cc: Tom Kingston
 Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

 Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
 Tom


 On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>  nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
> 
>  thank you for this.
> 
>  Curtis Delzer

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> >  In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
> >  announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
> >  on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
> >  Here's the download link.
> >  https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
> >  Regards,
> >  Tom
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Re: game day audio on win 7 machine

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

If you read their help stuff, it specificly says will not run in 
explorer under seven, must use firefox or chrome.  I have not tried it, 
but supposed to run under explorer under ten.  Nothing 've tried will 
make it play in xp.  Firefox won't work with latest window-eyes any 
more, so have to load n v d a.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 3 Mar 2019, BK via Talk wrote:


Hello, I have a win 10 laptop and a win 7 laptop and tested mlb game day
audio on both. I get the games on win 10 machine in chrome, IE, and even
MS edge, but in edge I use the elements dialog to navigate links and
even navigating it is painfully slow.
In win 7, I get the games in chrome 7, but I had to use NVDA, because
wineyes 8.4 would not read the page. my IE on the win 7 machine is
outdated and needs to be updated, so I can't access the game day audio
page.
I have a desktop running win xp and will try the same test sometime this
week.
If someone at MLB said you need windows 10 to access the games, that
simply is not true.

Butch
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RE: Link for Game day audio website

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

The support ie in ten I think, but not in seven.  And they c combine tv 
and radio listings which seems strange to me.  It is like the require 
same systems for tv as raxdio, and one is just voice audio.  I use to be 
able to use replay media capture to grab archived games and that no 
longer works no matter what browser I use.  I don't know why they keep 
breaking something that worked.

73
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2019, Dennis Long wrote:


I understand not supporting IE anymore I use chrome.  However there is no
excuse for the player not being accessible.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Link for Game day audio website

I think it is a crock they require you to hav e an almost new computer.
For an audio feed?  They lump tv and tatio into the same thing.  Hell, it
should work with explorer atleast on seven.
73
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On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Dennis
Long via Talk wrote:


I called and complained I helped make the previous  version accessible it
looks like I'm in for another round of battle.  This is bullshit They made
it accessible before it took 2 or 3 years.  The Android app isn't

accessible

either.Trust me I will not quit until it is fully accessible again.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: RE: Link for Game day audio website

't know, not sure you can.  Last year they went to this combined page for

TV

and radio which I don't find speech friendly.  Also it is very particular

on

what will let you play the games on.  Their requirements says computer has
to be no more than 3 years old.  In seven, explorer won't work, you have

to

use firefox.  I called and complained and they didn't seem to care much.
Also, I had to give them a different credit card number,  and they said

they

couldn't do it on the phone, had to do it on line.  I told them I tried

that

and couldn't make their page work with speech.  They finally had someone
call me back.  I wish they'd stuck with their old page and player.
I used my Amazon echo last year and it worked, but you couldn't get

archived

games.  This year they say the Amazon skill won't be available as they are
improving it.  Didn't they have the whole off season to do that?


73
Butch
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On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


How do you get to the volume controls for the player?

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On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: Link for Game day audio website

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mpa/index.jsp
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WB6HEF
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RE: Link for Game day audio website

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't know, not sure you can.  Last year they went to this combined page 
for tv and radio which I don't find speech friendly.  Also it is very 
particular on what will let you play the games on.  Their requirements 
says computer has to be no more then 3 years old.  In seven, explorer 
won't work, you have to use firefox.  I called and complained and they 
didn't seem to care much.  Also, I had to give them a different credit 
card number,  and they said they couldn't do it on the phone, had to do 
it on line.  I told them I tried that and couldn't make their page work 
with speech.  They finally had some one call me back.  I wish they'd 
stuck with their old page and player.
I used my Amazon echo last year and it worked, but you couldn't get 
archived games.  This year they say the Amazon skill won't be available 
as they are improving it.  Didn't they have the whole off season to do 
that?



73
Butch
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On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


How do you get to the volume controls for the player?

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: Link for Game day audio website

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mpa/index.jsp
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Re: Weather or not issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Good explanation.  We had a large globe at kansas school for the blind 
with raised lines for these lines as well as land and mountains and so 
forth.  I'd love to have that globe, stood on a stand and was I'd guess 3 
feet in diameter.


Anyhow, as I recall, some times degrees are given in decimals and some 
times given in degrees minutes and seconds.  If I remember right, one 
minute is one nautical mile which is about a mile and an eighth, Alexa 
says 6076 feet.  This comes out 1.15 mile.  This is true at the equater of 
course as if you go north or south the lines get closer.  That is why our 
counties here in Kansas which are square have jogs in the roads called 
lines of corection.  You can't lay out squares on a round globe.


Here is a trivia question I won on the radio when I lived in Vegas.  Name 
the most northern, eastern, western and southern states in the united 
states.
Hawaii, of course is easy for the south one.  For the north, it is Alaska 
for all three.  The reason why is Alaska reaches furtherest longitude 
lines east and west of any other ease or west states.  .


Hope I haven't bored you all to much.

73
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Re: Weather or not issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Here is my ini file for what is worth.
To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, Larry Higgins 
via Talk wrote:



Butch,

I for one would appreciate seeing your weather.ini file.


Sorry David, I haven't yet had time to look at your instructions, but plan to 
do so.



I find it kind of interesting  that if one fills in the zip code of a 
particular location, that it equates to the longitude or latitude of a 
particular city


. Any ideas as to how this works, or is this a big "duh" on my part Who knows, maybe you covered this in your explanation already.


Thanks so much though for your help from I'm sure all of us who wish to 
continue using this handy little app.



Larry

On 2/4/2019 7:48 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 I could put up my weather ini file if that would help.  Mine has 3 cities
 in it, but you could likely edit it.
 73
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 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

>  Thanks for this.  I don't have a .ini from a prior installation just 
>  yet.  I can follow this syntax just fine though and appreciate your 
>  being so thoughtful as to how to code these entries.  I fortunately do 
>  have some of the coordinates for the points of interest I want to follow 
>  and thanks for sharing a more accessible site as well.
> 
>  Kind regards,
> 
>  Amanda Lee
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Talk 
>   On 
>  Behalf Of David via Talk

>  Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:58 PM
>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>  Cc: David 
>  Subject: Re: Weather or not issue
> 
>  OK, guys.

>  This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through.
>  I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with the 
>  WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and quick 
>  searchings on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I do have 
>  no clue exactly where, how or what the Weather app extracts its info, so 
>  you will have to do your own playing around. But when I tried the 
>  following steps, it at least gave me some results. Smiles.
> 
>  As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file 
>  before you modify it at all.
> 
>  OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude 
>  coordinates, in a decimal format, for the city or place you are trying 
>  to add. I did try a few webpages, and here is one that I found to be 
>  fairly easy to operate with WinEyes:

>  https://www.latlong.net/
> 
>  When opening the page, go to the first Edit box, and here enter your 
>  city. Like:

>      Toronto, On
>  for finding the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario, in Canada.
>  Once you have typed your info, hit the Enter key.
>  Please note, it seems that you will have to manually turn back on Browse 
>  Mode here.
> 
>  The page will now come up with its results. If it found the exact city 
>  or place, it will give you two edit boxes, right beneath the Find-button 
>  on the page. They will hold the necessary numbers, for the  Longitude 
>  and Latitude. Copy and paste them into your ini file, as will be 
>  described below.
> 
>  In a few cases, I noticed the page came up with more than one choice for 
>  the city. They then were presented in a table, with a link for each 
>  city. You would simply choose the wanted link, hit Enter, and go to the 
>  text line, that gives you the coordinates. Copy and paste the given info 
>  into your ini file.
> 
>  How To Modify The Ini File?
>  Now that we have found the needed info to direct the app, let's get to 
>  the real job. And, yes, it is a bit of typing to be done. We will go by 
>  it, step by step.
> 
>  First, open your WE control panel, and hit Alt-F, followed by the letter 
>  E. The user profile folder will open.
> 
>  Keep pressing the W, til you get to the file named:

>      WeatherOrNot.ini
>  , and hit Enter on it. It should open in something like Notepad.
>  Please note, from here, it will be good to have your synth spell out all 
>  punctuations, and even Upper- and Lower-cased characters, as they are 
>  all important.
> 
>  In the ini file, scroll down to the line that reads

>      [Locations]
>  . Do NOT modify this line.
> 
>  Hit the End-key, to go to the end of the line, and then Hit Enter. You 
>  now have a blank line for entering your personalized info.
>  What the app wants here, is a section name, for your new location. To 
>  keep our above example rolling, enter the following line. Or, modify it 
>  to your personal location:
>      Toronto, Ontario=43.651890, -79.381710 . To brea

RE: Weather or not issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I could put up my weather ini file if that would help.  Mine has 3 
cities in it, but you could likely edit it.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Amanda Lee 
via Talk wrote:



Thanks for this.  I don't have a .ini from a prior installation just yet.  I 
can follow this syntax just fine though and appreciate your being so thoughtful 
as to how to code these entries.  I fortunately do have some of the coordinates 
for the points of interest I want to follow and thanks for sharing a more 
accessible site as well.

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee


-Original Message-
From: Talk  
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

OK, guys.
This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through.
I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with the 
WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and quick searchings 
on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I do have no clue exactly 
where, how or what the Weather app extracts its info, so you will have to do 
your own playing around. But when I tried the following steps, it at least gave 
me some results. Smiles.

As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file before you 
modify it at all.

OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude coordinates, 
in a decimal format, for the city or place you are trying to add. I did try a 
few webpages, and here is one that I found to be fairly easy to operate with 
WinEyes:
https://www.latlong.net/

When opening the page, go to the first Edit box, and here enter your city. Like:
Toronto, On
for finding the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario, in Canada.
Once you have typed your info, hit the Enter key.
Please note, it seems that you will have to manually turn back on Browse Mode 
here.

The page will now come up with its results. If it found the exact city or 
place, it will give you two edit boxes, right beneath the Find-button on the 
page. They will hold the necessary numbers, for the  Longitude and Latitude. 
Copy and paste them into your ini file, as will be described below.

In a few cases, I noticed the page came up with more than one choice for the 
city. They then were presented in a table, with a link for each city. You would 
simply choose the wanted link, hit Enter, and go to the text line, that gives 
you the coordinates. Copy and paste the given info into your ini file.

How To Modify The Ini File?
Now that we have found the needed info to direct the app, let's get to the real 
job. And, yes, it is a bit of typing to be done. We will go by it, step by step.

First, open your WE control panel, and hit Alt-F, followed by the letter E. The 
user profile folder will open.

Keep pressing the W, til you get to the file named:
WeatherOrNot.ini
, and hit Enter on it. It should open in something like Notepad.
Please note, from here, it will be good to have your synth spell out all 
punctuations, and even Upper- and Lower-cased characters, as they are all 
important.

In the ini file, scroll down to the line that reads
[Locations]
. Do NOT modify this line.

Hit the End-key, to go to the end of the line, and then Hit Enter. You now have 
a blank line for entering your personalized info.
What the app wants here, is a section name, for your new location. To keep our 
above example rolling, enter the following line. Or, modify it to your personal 
location:
Toronto, Ontario=43.651890, -79.381710 . To break this line down, please 
note:
To the left of the Equals sign, we give the app the name of the location we are 
entering. It doesn't really matter what name you give it, long as you keep 
track of the exact name and spelling - as we will be using it in a moment.
Behind the Equal sign, we give the two coordinates, as copied from the website. 
First the Latitude, followed by a Comma, A space character, and then the 
Longitude value. No other info, no other punctuation. The coordinates should be 
given in positive or negative values, exactly copied from the website.

Once this Location line has been established, we are ready to move on to the 
next modification of the ini file.
Move yourself to the bottom of the file, by hitting Ctrl-end.

You now will have to enter a section, holding the actual settings for your new 
location. this section, it is, that controls how and what info the app will 
read to you.

A section, always starts out with a header. That is, a line enclosed in 
brackets. The header, should be an exact copy of the info you entered to the 
left of the Equal sign, in your location line. It is case, and character 
sensitive, so make sure you get an one-by-one copy of your location line. In 
our example, it will look like this:
[Toronto, ontario]
. Press Enter when you are done.

Now that we have established the section, it is time to set it all up.
The section should 

RE: Weather or not issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Hello Rod, hope you are doing well.  Where do I get the nvda add on.  I 
jump back and forth between window-eyes and nvda,  flat r refuse to use 
jaws.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Larry,

If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called Weather 
Plus.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
To: Loy Green via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
this is only the beginning .

On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have previously entered 
still work.
   - Original Message -
   From: Larry Higgins via Talk
   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Cc: Larry Higgins
   Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
   Subject: Weather or not issue


   OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for
   my problem, but here goes anyway.


   Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list
   of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the
   city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something
   along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature.
   It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same
   error message.


   Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


   Hopefully,


   Larry

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Re: Mail Client

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I use outlook express on windows seven, not a supported version, but it 
still works.  If you want it, write me off list.

but...@shellworld.net

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2018, 
Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:


On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. I'm not 
sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps that GW 
developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. You may want to 
work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no experience with that 
combination.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Mail Client

Listers,

Could need a bit of info here.


As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the
accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any
message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with
WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the
end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to
my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only
screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am
relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither
NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes.


Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when
Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What
alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned
Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running
Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I decide
to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? And
will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my
screen reader?


Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea as to
the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along with a
given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great,
could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen reader i
happen to have up running at any time.


Oh, and two more questions:

Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, Annual
payment, or Lifetime priced?


Thanks alot, all of you.


--
David

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Re: trying to contact Doug Geoffray

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

If anyone can pass my note along, it is appreciated.  I don't have a 
clue what linked in is.

73
Butch
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Brenda wrote:


Someone said they saw an entry for Doug on linked in that was up-to-date, 
perhaps if you don’t have LinkedIn someone can go there and send the 
information to him that you want.

If anyone is able to contact Doug, please tell him Brenda says she wishes him 
all the best. I doubt he will remember me, but I was in the email discussions 
at the end of window eyes year or so ago so he might.

Brenda from Ashtabula Ohio

Dictated and sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
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If you are here Doug, drop me a note on
but...@shellworld.net

or but...@fairpoint.net

I wrote you with latest address I have, not sure it is still good.

I'm wanting to send you dvd of Libbie and my wedding.
Thanks to the list.
73
Butch
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trying to contact Doug Geoffray

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

If you are here Doug, drop me a note on
but...@shellworld.net

or but...@fairpoint.net

I wrote you with latest address I have, not sure it is still good.

I'm wanting to send you dvd of Libbie and my wedding.
Thanks to the list.
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Butch
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RE: Request file containing all W E scripts

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I just edit the link and change the 0 to a 1.
Thanks.
73
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, Olusegun 
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:



Carol, you might want to reset the DropBox flag to 1 for a direct download.
The 0 flag does require a bit of a poaking around!  That aside, thanks for
what you do to keep Window-Eyes alive.

If I dare say so, what a crazy screen reader GW Micro created?  Windows10
1803, 1809 and I hear the dead scroll still has life!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I agree Pam.  I use window-eyes and n v d a when necessary.  I've 
considered the dark side, but to old to learn new software and a sceen 
reader.  Window-eyes stil does most of what I need.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 
geodom--- via Talk wrote:


But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box. 
Pam.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I think I tried that and it didn't work.  Will try again.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 2 Aug 
2018, net bat via Talk wrote:



this probibly won't work. but give it a try.
right click on the program icon. click on properties then find the 
compatibility. there is the option to make it think it is running under 
another version of windows.

with windows 7 it can be set back all the way back to windows 95.
depending on the drivers the programs are useing it still might work.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 6:11 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven


I decided to upgrade to an hp machine that is windows seven 64 bit.  I'm
finding that many of my favorite programs won't run as they are 16 bit
versions.  I have an old dos version of pc braille that I still like and
use and would run it under 4nt in 32 bit seven or xp command prompt with
no problems.  Wondering if anyone has any suggestions.  I did a bit of
searching and see there is a 64 bit program I think called dos box which
says will run some dos programs.  Has anyone used this and is it usable
with speech.  Does a person have to run vocal-eyes for speech?

I really don't want to give up these programs.  If I had to, would a 32
bit version of seven install on this 664 bit machine which is an hp z 220.

Thanks.

If you want you can write off list to
but...@shellworld.net

or but...@fairpoint.net which will show up as from tiny puppy.


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trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I decided to upgrade to an hp machine that is windows seven 64 bit.  I'm 
finding that many of my favorite programs won't run as they are 16 bit 
versions.  I have an old dos version of pc braille that I still like and 
use and would run it under 4nt in 32 bit seven or xp command prompt with 
no problems.  Wondering if anyone has any suggestions.  I did a bit of 
searching and see there is a 64 bit program I think called dos box which 
says will run some dos programs.  Has anyone used this and is it usable 
with speech.  Does a person have to run vocal-eyes for speech?


I really don't want to give up these programs.  If I had to, would a 32 
bit version of seven install on this 664 bit machine which is an hp z 220.


Thanks.

If you want you can write off list to
but...@shellworld.net

or but...@fairpoint.net which will show up as from tiny puppy.


73
Butch
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RE: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I haven't kept up on this thread.  Can you open up any other spread 
sheet or just run xl without an error.  If the problem is particular to 
that file, that is strange.  Maybe a macro or something in that file.

73
Butch
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On 
Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Loy,

I'm running Window-Eyes 9.5.4 within Windows 10 build 1803 with Excel from 
Office 365 and have had no problems opening a single spreadsheet which I edit 
over and over again to keep track of my expenses.
Therefore, my experience is only with a single spreadsheet, but, as I say, I'm 
having no problems using Window-Eyes.
I wish I could think of some reason why you're having problems.
If I think of something, I'll let you know. Smile

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 2, 2018 10:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

The problem is that it will not open. I tried to save it and same thing 
happens. But if I have JAWS  running it will open just fine.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 8:35 PM
 Subject: RE: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


 Hi Loy,

 That is not quite right.
 It could open, but still be protected.
 Is it fully editable with JFW?
 You didn't give many details about your experience, and so all I can do is 
guess.

 Best,

 Rod

 Sent from Outlook for Windows

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
 Sent: July 2, 2018 7:05 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy Green 
 Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

 It's not protected, if it were it would not open under JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:07 PM
   Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


   Hi,

   If you got the file from the Internet, have you unprotected it first?

   Best,

   Rod



   Sent from my iPod

   > On Jul 2, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Loy Green via Talk 
 wrote:
   >
   > Any one else having this problem when opening an excel or Word file in 
Windows 10 while Window Eyes is running. I am getting a message file is corrupt. I 
know it must be WE problem because this doesn't happen when using JAWS.
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RE: Weather or Not

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Try the version I sent.  It is working here so far.  Yep, underground 
changed their format or something and they rewrote it a while back.

I put it up on shellworld if you missed my previous note.
To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

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On 
Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Carol,

Yes, I tried it out, and it doesn't yield any weather data for some major U.S. 
cities I tried.
I looked into the code of the app and found that it uses Wunderground for its 
weather data, and, after going to the site and exploring a bit, it seems like 
they don't share weather data freely anymore.
So, perhaps AI Square released an update using another weather service, if you 
can find a newer version. Smile

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Hi Rod,

Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see
if I have more on another drive.  Carol

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On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, could 
you dsend a link to it for me?
App Central seems to be down, probably forever.

Many thanks,

Rod

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RE: Weather or Not

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Here is my latest version.  They had to make somechanges 2 or 3 years 
ago.  Hope this works for you.


To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk 
wrote:



Hi Carol,

The date of this version is 2012, but I don't really know what improvements 
were made since then.
I'm asking for it for someone else, but, even if you can't find something 
newer, who knows, it may do quite well.

Thanks so much,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Hi Rod,

Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see
if I have more on another drive.  Carol

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On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, could 
you dsend a link to it for me?
App Central seems to be down, probably forever.

Many thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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RE: New standard keyboard coming to Narrator

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I did the same thing.  Tried Jaws and I didn't like it.  Figured if I 
had to learn a new screen reader, might as well be n v d a.  I still use 
window-eyes as much as I czn, but run n v d a when needed.  I havee 
given a bit of thought to going to the dark side, but I think I'm to old 
to learn a new o s and a new screen reader.  And of course, no local 
help at all.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Brice,

Funny, I am running Windows 10 build 1803 and am having no problems using 
Window-Eyes 9.5.4.
I had a single WE SMA and took the Jaws conversion.
I used it for a bit, got comfortable with Jaws and got fed up with its 
complexity.
I prefer NVDA when I need it for the web but, yes, Narrator is a great 
alternative.
I could pursue Jaws if I need to sme day, but, indeed, since I also have a 
Macbook Pro, it'll probably be a snowy day in July up here in Canada before I 
pay for Jaws.
Sorry you spent good money for a bloated screen reader, but, what the hell, you 
live and you learn.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: June 14, 2018 2:30 PM
To: brice Mijares via Talk 
Cc: brice Mijares 
Subject: Re: New standard keyboard coming to Narrator

I bet this is going to put the big hurt to JAWS! Last year I did the
Migration to JAWS and even paid for the 2 upgrades. Big mistake on my
partv, probably didn't give it more than 5 hours trying to learn it.
Went to NVDA, and Narrator at times. Finally removed Window Eyes a few
weeks ago, it was becoming useless in Windows ten. This new keyboard
layout using Narrator sounds real promising.
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Re: OT about digital book players

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I know, I know, I was referring to the mention of the ipod.  That was 
the message I replied to.

73
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:


No, the stream is most definitely not a touch screen.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 2:50 PM
To: john schwery via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: OT about digital book players

Yep, but isn't this a touch screen?  Not everyone can work those things.
Give me buttons to push any day.
73
Butch
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via
Talk wrote:


 Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than the
 Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and read Nls
 books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to, download and
 listen to podcasts.

 At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:
>  I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one 
>  such as the second generation

>  victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
>  It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader 
>  stream

>  booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
>  specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
>  playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my 
>  specialized

>  players.
> 
>  With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be 
>  directly
>  downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized 
>  players

>  I currently own.
> 
>  With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be 
>  directly
>  downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized 
>  players I

>  currently own.
> 
>  With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do 
>  this

>  with my specialized playrs.
> 
>  With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
>  unprotected

>  epub, listen to old time radio shows.
>  Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based 
>  eBooks,
>  DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, 
>  Rich
>  Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, 
>  Apple

>  Keynote, HTML.
>  What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
>  bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
>  I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
>  booksense

>  when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
>  neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
>  inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
>  players

>  I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.
> 
>  With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
>  audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook 
>  can be

>  streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.
> 
>  Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of 
>  hundreds
>  of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases 
>  are

>  prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
>  literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry 
>  and

>  more in both fiction and non-fiction.
> 
>  The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio 
>  books,
>  as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or 
>  genre,
>  look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are 
>  free,
>  you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no 
>  cost.
>  The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you 
>  can
>  start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep 
>  timer

>  for your convenience.
> 
>  To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
>  http://librivox.bookdesign.biz
> 
>  With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad 
>  mini. I
>  can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk 
>  pocket, I

>  can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
>  specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.
> 
>  My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading 
>  and

>  listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.
> 
>  -Original Message- From: BK via Talk

>  Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
>  To: gw micro
>  Cc: BK
>  Subject: OT about digital book players
> 
>  Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like t

Re: OT about digital book players

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I know, I have one.  I was referring to the ipod.

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Re: OT about digital book players

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, but isn't this a touch screen?  Not everyone can work those things.
 Give me buttons to push any day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via 
Talk wrote:


Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than the 
Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and read Nls 
books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to, download and 
listen to podcasts.


At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:
I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one such 
as the second generation

victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader 
stream

booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.

With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be 
directly

downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized players
I currently own.

With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized players I
currently own.

With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do this
with my specialized playrs.

With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
unprotected

epub, listen to old time radio shows.
Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks,
DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich
Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple
Keynote, HTML.
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
players

I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.

With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook can 
be

streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.

Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of hundreds
of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases are
prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry and
more in both fiction and non-fiction.

The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio books,
as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or genre,
look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are free,
you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no cost.
The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you 
can

start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep timer
for your convenience.

To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
http://librivox.bookdesign.biz


With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad mini. 
I
can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk pocket, 
I

can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.

My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading and
listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: OT about digital book players

Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: JAWS question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I use window-eyes 90 percent of the time.  IT is still my favorite. 
When window-eyes doesn't work, I load n v d a.  I won't run jaws.

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On Wed, 
23 May 2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:


Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you?  I 
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can still 
use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


 Hi Kevin,

 Yes, that is possible.

 The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
 %appdata%
 Here you find a folder freedom scientific
 In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
 In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
 with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
 folder to the same location on the other computer.
 I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
 jaws will not lock files.

 Regards, Marten


 On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk
  wrote:

>  Hi:
> 
>  My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?

>  Kevin Huber
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Re: wav file editor

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

for mp3 files, I use mp3 direct cut.  As far as wave files, I'd be 
interested in the key generator.  Write off list to

but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net
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On Wed, 16 May 2018, 
ratshtron via Talk wrote:


let me see if I can find the key generator for the software so I can send you 
a key. that is is you want one, lol!



Legend has it that on Wednesday 5/16/2018 11:30 AM, Jeff Weiss via Talk said:


I need a simple to use wav file editor.
I want to be able to trim the ending space off of songs and other simple 
tasks like that.

Does anybody have a suggestion for me?
thanks
Jeff

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Re: What's Doug up to?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I tried alt left arrow and it just takes me to the beginning of the talk 
I'm on.  I tried the next link several times and never did find Doug.
On 
Sun, 13 May 2018, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:



Same here.
73
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On Sun, 13 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:


 I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft
 demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough or
 did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?




 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Subject: What's Doug up to?

 Hi everyone,

 I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for
 software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:

 http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

 Enjoy,

 Rod

 Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: What's Doug up to?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Same here.
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On Sun, 13 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft 
demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough or 
did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?





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-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: What's Doug up to?

Hi everyone,

I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for 
software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:


http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

Enjoy,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

The two machines I updated I had to uninstall window-eyes and reinstall.
 On one machine I did not remove it, it got into a loop when it rebooted 
and I had to totally blow my seven away and install ten.  To be safe, 
I'd uninstall window-eyes.

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On Tue, 1 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
wrote:


You may not have to. But you may need to run Narrator a few times during the 
upgrade process, if you don't have sighted help




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-Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Kurlander Richard (75)
Subject: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

At work the computers are being updaed from windows 7 to windows 10 with the 
windows 10 image, have no idea which windows 10 build they are going to use. 
I have on my machine windoweyes 9.5.4 will I have to reinstall windoweyes on 
the machine again?

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, I agree totally.  Just shows you what marketing and lining the 
right counselor's pockets can do.  Spare me the denials, I was a client 
in Nevada and also worked for them for almost a year.  Window-eyes never 
had a chance.  They did provide me with Window-eyes, but it was a real 
struggle.

73
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, bj colt via Talk wrote:


Hi Pam,

Jws is the most cumbersome, antiquated interface imaginable. to is sluggish, 
clunky, long winded and I agree it is the worst screen reader of it's 
supposed class in the universe, in the known Universe.lol I detest it.


I gave it a go and right from the start it started to bug me. I will continue 
to use window-eyes till I can't use it any more. I'm also sticking to windows 
7 as long as I can as well.


I used to think that everyone who always promoted jws over window-eyes hadn't 
really tried window-eyes. Now I know they didn'to, they couldn't have or they 
would have seen what we have seen about the most frustrating and overpriced 
screen reader on the market.


Live long and prosper, John 
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