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Question: Is There a way to Leave the List via Email

2016-11-30 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Is there a way to unsubscribe from this list via email or do I have to 
unsubscribe via the Window-eyes support page?

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Re: Alternative to AVG Tune-Up

2016-11-24 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Samuel,

CCleaner from Piriform is free and, the last time I used it, its 
interface was screen reader friendly. I'm typically not a fan of such 
programs and I have stopped using registry cleaners years ago but, if 
you're looking for at least a cleaner, CCleaner may be sufficient.

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On 11/24/2016 4:06 AM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been using Tune-up utilities 2014 for some time now, but since 
> it was changed to AVG, I haven't been able to use it, as when I tried 
> to use the later versions, it always crashed, and I couldn't even 
> restart Window-Eyes by pressing Control Alt W.  AVG support were as 
> baffled as I was about this.
> I was able to downgrade back to Tune-up 2014, but I feel that I might 
> need something that's a bit more up to date.  Does anyone know of any 
> similar programmes that are also accessible?
>
>

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Re: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

2016-11-05 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Steve,

First, Loy's suggestion below is worth an attempt, as I'd hate to see 
anybody going through a reset if doing so can be avoided. In my case, 
running the diagnostics Loy describes did not solve the problem for me 
but, if it does for you, it's a very quick fix.

With my computer, it was upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and I 
eventually upgraded it to the anniversary update. The reset option has 
the option of keeping personal files, which I chose, but even this 
option will erase any programs that you have installed. Therefore, while 
a reset will likely solve the problem you're having you will have to 
reinstall and, in most cases, reconfigure all of your software. In my 
case, the issue I was having with Window-eyes was one of three issues, 
all of which were likely unrelated. The other problems I was having is 
that my backup would fail at around 4 percent and I'd get an error every 
time I would launch System Protection. I found these problems to be 
extremely inconvenient. I did call the Microsoft answer desk but all of 
the attempts the rep tried to implement did not fix my issues. He was 
willing to escalate the problem to a higher tier but I concluded that 
performing a reset and reinstalling my software would actually take less 
time than having another rep trying more solutions and so a reset is 
what I chose. Again, it's something I'd prefer to see you avoid if at 
all possible. If you do decide to go ahead with it, be prepared to use 
Narrator for part of it. 

As to what may have caused all of the problems I was having in the first 
place, I'm not sure. However, while I can't prove it I'm thinking it may 
have been when I ran the Kaspersky removal tool to remove an old version 
but, again, I can't prove it.

On 11/5/2016 12:42 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Have you tried to repair the windows 10 display driver from the apps menu, 
> diagnostics in Window Eye control panel?
>- Original Message -
>From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:34 PM
>Subject: RE: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows 
> Reliably
>
>
>David,
>
>I am experiencing some similar behavior.  Was your computer one that was
>upgeraded from Windows 7 to 10 and then to the Anniversary Edition?  I am
>looking at trying the PC Reset but have been holding back thinking I might
>need to reinstall all my personal files, but maybe it is worth a try as you
>describe.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>
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>Subject: Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably
>
>A couple of weeks ago, I posted to this list about an odd problem I was
>having where Window-eyes would not read certain windows properly. As an
>example, if I entered the run dialog, Window-eyes would just read the
>currently selected desktop icon when I tried to enter text, even though
>the dialog was open. Chris suggested that my antivirus program may have
>quarantined certain components of Window-eyes and this suggestion
>sounded reasonable and I was willing to pursue it. However, I was also
>experiencing several other issues, totally unrelated to accessibility
>and I decided to perform a reset. I did the reset, choosing to keep
>personal files and my problems, including the odd accessibility quirks
>with Window-eyes, were gone. I just wanted to post this update.
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Problem Solved:Window-eyes Not Reading Certain Windows Reliably

2016-11-04 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

A couple of weeks ago, I posted to this list about an odd problem I was 
having where Window-eyes would not read certain windows properly. As an 
example, if I entered the run dialog, Window-eyes would just read the 
currently selected desktop icon when I tried to enter text, even though 
the dialog was open. Chris suggested that my antivirus program may have 
quarantined certain components of Window-eyes and this suggestion 
sounded reasonable and I was willing to pursue it. However, I was also 
experiencing several other issues, totally unrelated to accessibility 
and I decided to perform a reset. I did the reset, choosing to keep 
personal files and my problems, including the odd accessibility quirks 
with Window-eyes, were gone. I just wanted to post this update.

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Strange Behavior with Window-eyes

2016-10-22 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I'm running Window-eyes 9.5.3 on a 64-bit edition of Windows 10, 
Anniversary Update. Window-eyes seems to behave as I would expect in 
Word and on the desktop.

Beyond that, it's almost acting as though certain components are not 
active. As an example, when I press the Windows key with R to bring up 
the Run dialog, all I hear is "r" without the prompt, even though the 
dialog seems to be there.

I brought up a non-VFO screen reader, which confirmed the presence of 
the run dialog. Once I closed that screen reader, I would find the run 
dialog in the alt-tab list but, once I place focus on that dialog, 
Window-eyes is silent, behaving as though nothing was present, not 
giving me any speech.

When I open the preinstalled Mail app it gives me no feedback as I press 
keys, but if I alt-tab out of the window and then alt-tab back in I 
might hear the name of a button which might have focus.

Obviously, something has gotten corrupted. I just did a total uninstall 
and reinstall of Window-eyes and would prefer a simpler solution to fix 
this. Could someone offer any suggestions?



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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Lynette,

I never saw those old Keynotes but I have a friend who had one in the 
1980s and she really loved it. I remember that she told me the keyboard 
had a wonderful feel. On one of the earlier newsletters from Raised Dot 
Computing a customer submitted a review of the Keynote and gave it high 
praise.

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On 10/22/2016 12:31 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:
>
>
> My first computer was a Keynote, which was all of 40k. Evidently there 
> were some Epson (I think) laptops which never took off, so Humanware 
> acquired them and fitted them with speech and their own software. You 
> could write with it (approximately 14 pages) and there was a little 
> microprinter on top of it which printed on spools of paper. I used it 
> a lot, for writing poems, taking parish council minutes, leaving 
> people messages, etc. I guess that there was online capability, but I 
> didn't know anything about that.
> It was a nice little machine, which prepared me for a "real" computer.
>
> Peace.
> Linette
>
>
>
> On 10/21/2016 8:49 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was
>> with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an
>> Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive
>> but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter
>> and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.
>>
>> Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit,
>> and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?
>>
>>
>> After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used
>> Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.
>>
>> Cheers
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

If anyone would like to read an archive of the newsletters from Raised 
Dot Computing, David and Caryn's former company, you can take a long 
walk down memory lane at

http://personalpages.tds.net/~ti51/rdcnews.htm


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On 10/21/2016 10:18 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> David Holladay and Caryn Navy are alive and well and work for Duxbury 
> Systems.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:49 PM
> To: Window Eyes
> Subject: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers
>
> Hi,
> My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was
> with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an
> Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive
> but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter
> and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.
>
> Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit,
> and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?
>
>
> After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used
> Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.
>
> Cheers
> Neville.
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's 
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
> to speak?
>
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> On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>>
>> As do I.
>> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
>> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
>> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>>
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I remember Doug's tapes but can't quite hear that voice clearly enough 
to identify it. It would be quite cool if someone could digitize them, 
if any exist but Doug may or may not have concerns about that. It is 
remotely possible that I might have one of his tutorials, although it 
was a Braille 'n Speak tutorial and so the synth he used on those tapes 
was the Braille 'n Speak voice..

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On 10/19/2016 8:56 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> OK folks, this question strays slightly off the precise topic a 
> smidgen, but here goes.
>
> Some of you may have been acquainted with the intro  to DOS tapes made 
> by Doug Wakefield. I thought these presentations were quite good at 
> the time. But what I would like to know to this day is just what 
> synthesizer he was using on those tapes. I thought it sounded a bit 
> more pleasant than even DEC Talk. These must have been made in the 
> late 80s or early 90s.
>
> I do remember back in the day thinking that I would never get used to 
> the sound of the Artic Synphonic (spelling), and was aiming for a DT, 
> but ultimately had to settle for the Artic.
>
> Anyway, if anybody knows the answer to my question, I would really 
> like to know, even after all these many years
>
> On 10/19/2016 7:37 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
>> My first screen reader was called Enable Reader and my syn was a Votrax
>> PSS if I remember right.  I also remember paying $500 for a 20 Meg
>> internal hard drive so I did not have to use 5 1/4 floppy disks to run
>> the machine.  Of course that was a DOS machine
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so 
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Oh, as an aside are there any recordings of Dennis Klat? Is he still around?

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: Kevin Barry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Steve,

Thank you for this fascinating bit of info. Is the Fred voice from Apple 
derived from Klat-talk, as it sure does sound remarkably like one of the 
Dec-talk voices. I guess I now know why the primary voice was called Dennis.

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: Kevin Barry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Wow, haven't thought about Doug Wakefield for many years. He provided a 
great service to the blindness community, not only from his tutorials 
but for his excellent Newsbits magazine. While it wouldn't be practical 
producing a monthly computer magazine due to the amount of podcasts and 
other programs available at no cost, it would be wonderful to see 
someone with his talents producing some modern-day tutorials. There are 
some out there, of course. Cathy Anne Murtha certainly comes to mind and 
she definitely knows her business but I believe there's room for more in 
that space.

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On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The thing that made me come to that conclusion was a tape Doug made
> for TSI (TeleSensory Systems, Inc.) about their screen-reader called
> Vert Plus was called Valedictory Speech.  In the tape, Doug had Vert
> Plus (using the Prose 4000) speech synthesizer sounding as if he was
> giving a valedictory speech in front of an audience.  I couldn't help
> feeling that Vert Plus sounded a little smug, as if to say, I'm
> fantastic, and, if you don't have a lot of money, you can't afford my
> excellent services.  Just my feeling back then, as I knew I'd never be
> able to afford that particular speech system.
>
> Actually, come to think of it, their is a Sapi 4 synth that sounds
> just a little like the Prose.  It's called TrueVoice.  Maybe not quite
> as good as the Prose, but, just reminds me of it a little.
>
> On 10/19/16, Larry Higgins  wrote:
>> Yes!, that is exactly how it sounded, though I never really thought of
>> it that way until you suggested it .
>>
>> Thank you so much,
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Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-20 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

In many ways, Tinytalk was way ahead of its time. Most DOS screen 
readers were charging around $500 for a single user license and there 
were few exceptions. Technically, you could use ASAP at no cost if you 
were willing to put up with regular "nag" messages encouraging you to 
buy it. However, at that time you either paid full price for a license 
or you dealt with a demo version which would time out after 20 or 30 
minutes, followed by a reboot for another 20 or 30 minutes. Tinytalk, 
like ASAP, could be used for free if you were willing to put up with a 
slight pause at startup and, as you say, only cost $75.00. A shareware 
screen reader in the DOS era was almost unheard of. Now, with offers 
like the Window-eyes offer for users of Microsoft Office and other free 
and low-cost alternatives, this type of license is more common now but 
Tinytalk may well have been the first, or at least one of the few, to 
offer this in the 1990s.


   David Goldfield,
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On 10/18/2016 11:25 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like 
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure 
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along 
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.  
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was 
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for 
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first 
>> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
>> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>
>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>> more than a few years.
>>
>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>> locating it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   David Goldfield,
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>
>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
>>> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
>>> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
>>> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
>>> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
>>> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
>>> I also believe I was th

Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-20 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to 
be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire 
planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a 
chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole 
command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to 
press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just 
never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word 
processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but 
ones which seem far ore intuitive.


   David Goldfield,
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On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran 
> WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for 
> some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
>> Many of us still miss word perfect.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>>
>>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that 
>>> many
>>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the 
>>> Bns to
>>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new 
>>> features to
>>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. 
>>> Its
>>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the 
>>> SSIL
>>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>>> more than a few years.
>>>
>>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>>> locating it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Goldfield,
>>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>
>>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
>>>> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
>>>> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
>>>> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
>>>> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
>>>> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
>>>> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
>>>> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
>>>> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
>>>> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
>>>> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>>>>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
>>>>> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the

Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-20 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I'm quite enjoying this walk down memory lane and sincerely hope that 
the VFO staff who monitor this list doesn't mind this thread.

For me, Vocal-eyes 1.1 was the first screen reader I ever used. In 1991, 
I was planning to get my first computer and I borrowed a five-volume 
book from NLS covering DOS (I think it might have been called Mastering 
DOS.) I decided to absorb as much as I could from that book prior to 
getting that IBM XT so that, when I turned on the computer, I'd be armed 
with at least some knowledge.

Around February 1991, I acquired a used IBM XT with a 10 megabyte hard 
drive and a 5.25 floppy drive. Armed with a trusty Braille 'n Speak 
classic, I began learning how to use Vocal-eyes from the excellent (and 
I do mean excellent) user manual, read by Doug Geoffray. Since then, 
I've learned that writing product documentation is more of an art than a 
science. It's quite a delicate balance because you have to write to be 
understood by novices and experts alike, keeping the interest of the 
novice and, at the same time, not boring the nerds and the experts. As 
we all know, software documentation is a mixed bag. It's admittedly 
difficult to write manuals and please all of the people all of the time 
and, in my opinion, not everyone can do it. For that reason, Vocal-eyes 
was a great first screen reader, not only because of its functionality 
but due to its amazing manual. It was thorough and yet fun. I was both a 
total newbie but an eager nerd who wanted to know as much as I could and 
the documentation hit me on all levels. It was a well-packaged product, 
in every sense of the word. While functionality is certainly critical, 
packaging can really make a difference in whether someone likes or hates 
the product. GW Micro did everything quite nicely, from the manual, its 
recording quality, nice packaging and, of course, easy to use software.

   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 10/19/2016 1:45 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:
> Waw what a nostalgia this morning, I remember that my first computer that 
> ever used was the Amstrad PC with 5.25inch floppy disk and with the votrax 
> type n' talk speech synthesizer.  Later I switch to  the double talk speech 
> synthesizer and the ASAP for dos screen reader, at that time the WordPerfect 
> 5.1 word processor was the best accessible word processor for us the blind. 
> Although today I'm feeling comfortable with Microsoft word, but I'm still 
> missing that WordPerfect for DOS.
>
> Anyway, as they say, every good thing, sometimes comes to an end. Now it is 
> the time for window eyes unfortunately.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Micallef
> Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
> and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
>
> Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
>
> Email:
> Office:
> URL:
> FB:
> michael.mical...@gov.mt
> +356 2599 2343
> http://www.fitamalta.eu
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>
> Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jim via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:25
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first
>> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
>> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>
>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I bega

Re: antivirus with window eyes

2016-10-20 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Hello.

Some of the things I'm about to write regarding the subject of antivirus 
accessibility may be controversial to some and may possibly ruffle some 
feathers. This is not my intent. I'd just like to offer a slightly 
different perspective on this extremely important issue.

I think that, with respect, people who wonder what antivirus programs 
are compatible with Window-eyes are asking the wrong question. The 
question we should all be asking, whether we're blind or sighted, is 
what antivirus or security solution is highly rated, according to 
independent lab tests. I realize the problem with this question is that, 
sometimes, what some may consider to be a good antivirus solution might 
not be compatible with our screen reader of choice. When we find out 
that specific solutions we might otherwise have considered don't work 
well with our screen reader, we choose one which is more accessible. 
Lest you think I'm looking down on all of you, please know that I did 
the exact same thing for years.

In 1998, I began using what was, at that time, a current version of 
Norton Antivirus on my Windows 98 machine. The program was well-known, 
was shipped with my computer with a free, one year subscription and was, 
from what I remember, 100% accessible.

Eventually, the program's level of accessibility began to change and I 
discovered AVG 7.5. It, too, was 100% accessible and was probably the 
only antivirus program to allow the user to change and redefine shortcut 
keys for its various functions, similar to the functionality of 
Window-eyes. It was amazing and it seemed like it was almost made for 
visually impaired screen reader users. I should note that I never once 
considered whether the program was actually effective in keeping my 
computer secure. As naive as this may sound, I'll admit that it never 
occurred to me to actually read objective reviews to see if AVG could do 
an even half-decent job in protecting my system. It was free, super 
accessible and had the word antivirus in its name. What more could I 
possibly want?

As I'm sure many of you will remember, version 8 of AVG came along and, 
while the program was still mostly accessible, the interface changed, 
keyboard shortcut reassignment was gone and, over time, accessibility 
became a bit more problematic, although the program was certainly usable 
enough. Bear in mind that I haven't used it in several years and, if 
accessibility has improved, I'll be the first to celebrate that fact.

So, like so many of us, I decided to find another program with the word 
antivirus in its title with at least reasonable screen reader 
accessibility. I found Avast 4.x and it wasn't bad. Like many blind 
people, I happily used it. Until 5.0 came around and the program was not 
accessible, though I know they've since been working on this and things 
have likely changed.

So, I uninstalled Avast and found what I believed was the ideal solution 
with Microsoft Security Essentials. It was free, seemed light on 
resources and was 100% accessible. My problem, so I thought, was solved. 
Over time, I began to read that MSE wasn't doing as well in dealing with 
viruses but I figured, hey, I'm a cautious user. I take a lot of 
precautions: I update software regularly, adjusted security settings on 
my router, am careful about opening attachments to the point of 
paranoia, use a script blocker on most pages ... in other words, I was 
hardly what you would call reckless and used my computer as responsibly 
as I knew how. Of course, I knew even then that there was always a 
chance my PC could get hit by malware, no matter how careful I was, but 
I believed I was reasonably safe. Until I was hit by crippling malware 
which forced me to reformat my hard drive and reinstall everything, 
rebuilding everything from the ground up.

I realize that there are many people who have found an accessible or at 
least usable antivirus solution who have never been hit by malware. I'm 
sure there are many happy users of MSE or Windows Defender who happily 
use their computer who may never be crippled by a virus. I also realize 
that corporations who deploy many different security solutions, who 
employ security experts who know a hundred times more than I'll ever 
hope to know, still get hit by malware. When it comes to computer 
security, there are no guarantees, no matter how much you know or what 
you do to protect yourself. My point is that, for years, I was content 
to place accessibility as a higher priority over safety and security and 
that simply isn't a mistake I'm willing to make again. For word 
processing, I use Microsoft Word, not only because it's quite 
accessible, but because it simply is one of the best word processors out 
there for what I need. Those who use Window-eyes use it because, for 
what they need, it's the best solution for them.

I would encourage anyone considering their security needs to read 
reviews of which programs performed well with independent

Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned, 
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is 
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many 
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie 
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in 
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called 
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as 
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to 
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade 
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to 
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its 
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395. 
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a 
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master. 
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL 
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in 
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows 
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be 
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing 
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window 
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted 
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who 
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this 
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had 
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't 
locating it.

   David Goldfield,
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On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom 
> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an 
> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and 
> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided 
> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us 
> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes. 
> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word 
> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I 
> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen 
> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
>
> Jeff
>
> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near 
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC 
>> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had 
>> originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only 
>> partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  
>> Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, 
>> so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed 
>> Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his 
>> screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to 
>> that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by 
>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you 
>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little 
>>> of the story.
>>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids 
>>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of 
>>> computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen 
>>> reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which 
>>> I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a 
>>> macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in 
>>> there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer 
>>> Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech 
>>> synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in 
>>> those days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that 
>>> time Bill Grimm died.
>>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
>>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the 
>>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and 
>>> JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. 
>>> It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already 
>>> out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first. 
>>> Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support

Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I believe Window-eyes 1.0 came out around September of 1995, give or 
take a few months. Beyond that, I'm not qualified to go into the history 
of the product. As someone already indicated, the DOS screen reader 
which came before it was Vocal-eyes. I remember using 1.1 of that 
program in 1991.

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On 10/17/2016 12:33 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> I can tell you that before window eyes came out, the dos screenreader 
> used to be called vocal eyes.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: history of window eyes
>
> hi,
>
> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
> and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
> interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
>
> thanks
>
>

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Re: Unable to Save Default Set File/Window-eyes for Office/9.5.3

2016-10-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I solved my problem.

After going into the factory settings dialog, I saw that none of the 
default sets were installed and, even after trying to install them, it 
kept saying na for the version number. I figured it was just easier to 
uninstall and reinstall Window-eyes, rather than trying to do surgery on 
profiles. This method worked and I now have a working copy of 
Window-eyes, working normally.

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On 10/17/2016 10:51 AM, via Talk wrote:
> Hi, Dave.
>
> Did you press the activate button in the synthesizers dialog?
>
> Lou N.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:36 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Unable to Save Default Set File/Window-eyes for Office/9.5.3
>
> Hi. For quite some time, I've installed and used several versions of
> Windoweyes for Office. As I was a version behind I decided to install
> 9.5.3 on my Windows 10 Anniversary Update PC.
> I downloaded and installed it and the installation seemed to go without
> any issues. However, when I ran Window-eyes I noticed there was no
> speech output (my synth was ESpeak.) By using another screen reader, I
> discovered that the synth had been set to None, which I found odd. I set
> it to ESpeak, adjusted voice parameters to my liking and pressed alt-S
> to save my settings. When I did this, I received a dialog, saying
> "system error. Unable to save file." I could not find anything in the
> knowledge base matching this problem and would welcome any suggestions
> as to how to remedy this. If this issue is not listed in the knowledge
> base, I'd like to offer a suggestion that the VFO staff consider writing
> an article about this, along with its solution.
>
> Many thanks.
>

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Unable to Save Default Set File/Window-eyes for Office/9.5.3

2016-10-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Hi. For quite some time, I've installed and used several versions of 
Windoweyes for Office. As I was a version behind I decided to install 
9.5.3 on my Windows 10 Anniversary Update PC.
I downloaded and installed it and the installation seemed to go without 
any issues. However, when I ran Window-eyes I noticed there was no 
speech output (my synth was ESpeak.) By using another screen reader, I 
discovered that the synth had been set to None, which I found odd. I set 
it to ESpeak, adjusted voice parameters to my liking and pressed alt-S 
to save my settings. When I did this, I received a dialog, saying 
"system error. Unable to save file." I could not find anything in the 
knowledge base matching this problem and would welcome any suggestions 
as to how to remedy this. If this issue is not listed in the knowledge 
base, I'd like to offer a suggestion that the VFO staff consider writing 
an article about this, along with its solution.

Many thanks.

-- 
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Re: copy to clipboard

2015-10-15 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Hi.
Regarding a hotkey to read the contents of the clipboard, I remember 
working with a Window-Eyes app called SayClip which provided a hotkey 
for this purpose. However, this would only read copied text and not the 
names of files.


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On 10/14/2015 2:51 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Hi,
By default there is no hot key to read what is on the clipboard.
If you arrow to the zip file and press control-c the file should be copied to 
the clipboard.
Just navigate to where you want the zip file copied to and press control-v.

Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of bud schwab via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: copy to clipboard

Hi Guys,
I'm trying to copy a zipped file to the clipboard and put it somewhere else.  I 
don't think it is copying. As I recall there's a hot key to read what's on the 
clipboard but I have forgotten it.  Could somebody enlighten me?
Thanks.
--
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ElSegundo, California

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Re: Office Libre

2015-10-13 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Hi, Linett.
The program you're writing about is probably LibreOffice, which is, as
you said, a free office suite. When you open the main LibreOffice
program, there are likely some options such as choices to create a
document, spreadsheet, etc. and I thought that pressing the tab key
moved to these options.
However, to make things easier you could just open Writer, which is
LibreOffice's word processor which is similar to Microsoft Word. It will
probably not be on your desktop initially but you could just go into the
start menu and type the word Writer and Windows should find the Writer
program.
When I was testing LibreOffice 4 I seem to recall there were some
crashes with Window-Eyes. However, LibreOffice is now past version 5.0
and things may well be stable. I have not had a chance to test
LibreOffice with Window-Eyes 9.2 and so I don't know if that particular
combination will work well together.

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On 10/13/2015 1:32 PM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:

Hello. The guy who helped to set up my system installed a free program
called Office Libre. It is a free Office facsimile that is used in a
number of countries. When I open it, nothing happens; nothing on the
screen is spoken, and I can't find any menus. Does anyone else use
this? If not, aree there any other free word processing programs out
there?

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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Re: Office Libre

2015-10-13 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

The Web site to obtain Jarte is www.jarte.com.
Essentially, it is Wordpad with a few extra features, including spell
check. There is a free version and a paid version with even more features.

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On 10/13/2015 6:24 PM, Butch K via Talk wrote:

Linette, there's a word processor called, Jarte, it's more powerful than
wordpad but less powerful than MS Word. It's somewhere in between, but very
speech friendly and best of all, it's free. I don't have the web page, but I'm
sure if you google it you will find it.

Butch

*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***

On 10/13/2015 at 12:32 PM Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:

Hello. The guy who helped to set up my system installed a free program
called Office Libre. It is a free Office facsimile that is used in a
number of countries. When I open it, nothing happens; nothing on the
screen is spoken, and I can't find any menus. Does anyone else use this?
If not, aree there any other free word processing programs out there?
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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Re: too quick with the delete key

2015-10-13 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Just type the word Writer in the start menu, when you encounter the 
search edit box.


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On 10/13/2015 9:06 PM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:


I'm sorry. I won't do it again! Again, where do I type the word 
"writer?" Also, again, what is the name of that word processor? I know 
that it begins with j.

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Re: Twitter and Window Eyes

2015-09-25 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread but 
easychirp.org is a wonderful, third-party Web site which allows for an 
accessible Twitter experience and is very screen reader friendly.


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On 9/25/2015 10:45 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:

And, the Twitter team has done a great job making their website accessible for 
screen reader users. So, using twitter.com with Window-Eyes is another option 
at your disposal. You can find a brief demo of using Window-Eyes to access 
twitter.com in the What's New in Window-Eyes 9 webinar recording. The Twitter 
exercise starts at around the 12 minute mark. Here is a direct link to the MP3 
file: 
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/ExploreNewFeaturesWE9.mp3.

Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:03 AM
To: 'Rod Hutton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Twitter and Window Eyes

Thanks, Rod. I didn't know that you could use it from Outlook.

Paulette

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:48 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Twitter and Window Eyes

Hi,

You can also use Twitter directly from Outlook, which is what I do.  The add on 
is found here:

http://www.techhit.com/TwInbox/twitter_plugin_outlook.html

hth,

Rod

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Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2015 8:00 AM
To: Paulette Vickery ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Twitter and Window Eyes

Social-eyes only works with Facebook.
Chicken Nugget from getaccessibleapps.com/chicken_nugget works well.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Twitter and Window Eyes

Chicken Nugget? Isn't that something that you get at McDonalds? You think that 
whoever dreamed that up could have thought of a better name. Oh well, at least 
it isn't called chicken hawk, now that would really have bad associations!
What is the problem with Social Eyes? Doesn't iSquared like it?

Paulette

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On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:29 PM
To: Joseph Hudson; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Twitter and Window Eyes

I do most of my fb and Twitter stuff on mobile devices but I would suggest 
either chicken nugget or tw blue for Twitter. I wouldn't suggest social eyes as 
it is running on life support and the plug could be pulled at anytime. If you 
are on Windows 8 on up I have used the fb app from the windows store with 
success.

Reeva

On Thursday, September 24, 2015, Joseph Hudson via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello Paulette, I will say that the cube is dead, and socialize, is
well alive so I will go with socialize if I were you. Because I've
heard that there's a lot of problems with the cube. And better yet, I
will even use your iPhone for this as I find Facebook and twitter to
be very accessible on the iPhone and iPad. Good luck, and if you have
any questions don't hesitate to contact me.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com 
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 24, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> wrote:

Hi all,



I am considering trying Twitter. I have never used Twitter, Facebook
or Linked in. So, I don't know much about social media. But from what
I hear Twitter is easier to use than Facebook.

Someone suggested that I use something called, The Cube, because it
was made to be used by the blind. I have heard of Social Eyes,
produced by GW

Micro,

and now I suppose by iSquared. So, what I want to know is how easy is
Twitter to use with Window Eyes and should I use Social Eyes, this
thing called the cube, or something else to best access and use
Twitter. Thanks in advance for your help.



Paulette

Re: Firefox Question

2015-09-11 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


The Web site for the Webvisum extension is
http://www.webvisum.com/
It's undoubtedly a wonderful add-on but I have some reservations about 
using it. First, several years ago the site was clearly hacked, with 
much of the text replaced with inappropriate material. This was fixed. 
In addition to that, Webvisum, as far as I know, does not appear on the 
Firefox Addons site, which is the equivalent of App Central for 
Window-Eyes. The addon also has not received an update for quite some 
time, although that fact doesn't indicate or imply anything and some 
might argue that it indicates that the addon is so stable that an update 
is not required. All of these things combined just gives me the 
impression that Webvisum is just this abandoned piece of software 
sitting all alone on a site that's not being maintained. If my 
impressions are incorrect and if anybody has some information that could 
set my mind at ease, please feel free to do so as I'd love to continue 
using Webvisum. For captcha solving, I recommend Rumola, which, while 
not free of charge, is available via the Mozilla addons site and seems 
to be maintained.


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On 9/10/2015 9:16 PM, Charles Short via Talk wrote:

The website for webvisum is www.webvisum.org. ...hope that this helps.
Thanks,
Charlie


Best Regards

Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:58 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Firefox Question

What is the web site for webbisum?Thanks, Pastor Gil
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Re: Lost Windows 10 sounds

2015-08-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Chris's message is a reminder of one of the things which makes 
Window-Eyes so unique as a screen reader. Because screen reader 
developers nowadays are almost obligated to add certain features which 
are found in their competition, it's nice when a developer adds 
something which makes the program stand out from its competition. I'm 
specifically talking about the feature where Window-Eyes can be set to 
unmute the sound on startup if sound has, in fact, been muted. This is 
one of those features which, on the surface, seems like such a small 
thing but yet it can be a big deal. My sincere thanks go to whoever 
thought of implementing it.


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On 8/14/2015 7:16 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Hi Mike,
I ran into such an issue when upgrading a computer from Windows 7 to windows 
8.1.  It turned out the audio driver that was installed from the 8.1 cd was bad 
or not correct for the laptop.
I had to go online with sighted assistance and get a generic audio driver for 
the laptop in question.

After doing that the audio came back.  Something to look into.
Something told me to go to the consumers house with sighted assistance.
Note: If the sound card was muted at start, Window-eyes should unmute it.  This 
is what leads me to believe a bad driver was installed.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:37 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Lost Windows 10 sounds

Hi.  This morning while perusing the interface to figure out how to check for 
updates manually, I unintentionally created a problem of having lost all sounds.

Here's what happened.  I discovered a cumulative update for Windows 10, and 
decided to manually restart the computer to install it rather than wait until 
2:30 a.m. tomorrow morning for the computer to shut down and restart itself.  I 
pressed the restart button to restart the machine and install the update.  Now, 
after the computer restarted, no sounds are generated.
Narrator won't even launch.

I called the Microsoft disability answer desk and my sighted nephew could see 
the desktop icons and even do a remote session with the representative.
My nephew was on the phone for about an hour and no progress was made.  The 
issue has supposedly been escalated to a higher level technician for a call 
back or an e-mail to resolve the issue.

This issue happened using Window-eyes 9.2 under Windows 10 on a Dell
Xps-8500 desktop pc.  My Dell Xps-501-L laptop is working fine after installing 
the update or else I wouldn't be able to send this e-mail, smile.
I hope someone on this list can help.  I wonder if the installation of the 
update when the machine was restarted caused the sounds to be muted.  ?

Mike M.

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Re: Social-Eyes

2015-08-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

For Twitter, I also suggest www.easychirp.org. It's a highly accessible
interface for Twitter.

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On 8/17/2015 2:34 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Social eyes is only for fb and it's future is uncertain due to changes fb
made to their api. If you want a accessable Twitter client for windows, I
highly suggest chicken nugget.

Reeva

On Monday, August 17, 2015, christopher hallsworth via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Last time I knew SocialEyes grin it was only a Facebook client and still
is. No Twitter or anything. Price as of today I would contact Gw Micro for
accurate pricing.

On 17 Aug 2015, at 18:27, Wendy Alling via Talk

talk@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:; wrote:

Hello list,

Can someone give me information on Social-Eyes which is used for face

book?

Can you also use twitter with it, and what is the price?
Thanks,
Wendy

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Does AI Squared Have a Podcast Feed?

2015-08-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Hi. Does AI Squared have a feed for their various webinars and other 
audio podcasts? I'd like to subscribe to it on my iPhone, if one exists.


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Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-08 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Hi, Pam.
You're in good company. (smile) UAC isn't a replacement for virus 
protection. In fact, my PC also had UAC set at the highest level and was 
still hit. However, it just adds a small, perhaps an extremely small 
level of extra protection because, in theory, any program would require 
your permission before trying to install or modify system settings. 
Again, it's no guarantee but it's just one small tool in your arsenal.


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On 8/8/2015 9:34 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I don't know that UAC is any good.  I have never disabled my UAC, but 
this computer has been infected anyway.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

Well ... one point about MSE is that it doesn't really even try to 
pretend it's in the same league of the big boys, it's just a whole 
lot better than nothing.  MS knows this and tries to suggest you also 
install more anti-malware.


Something else we all should be doing is to make sure UAC is enabled.  
I don't find it too difficult to confirm I want a program to run now 
and again, and it may save you from a virus being able to install itself.


Chip






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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

David,

First, I am sorry to hear that you had to deal with an infection. Did you
ever get any idea where you picked it up?

I have struggled with the question of accessibility versus ratings and 
would
be curious to here your thoughts on a couple if issues.  First, I 
wonder if

not being able to adequately interact with a highly rated package isn't
going to reduce its effectiveness.  If I can't use the interface, am I 
going

to set up the options in a way that is most effective?  If I can't read a
warning message when a virus is encountered, am I going to make the right
choice?  I don't know if the above would apply to Casperski and not 
saying

that it does, the question is meant to be generic.

I've also read that ratings of virus checkers need to be considered
carefully because enough is known about testing that virus checkers can
tailor their protection to do well without it necessarily meaning much in
terms of broad protection.  Again, I am not saying Casperski does this,
because I do not know that is the case.  However, the whole state of 
viruses

and virus checkers is so variable that I am not convinced one can pick a
highly rated checker and know with any certainty that it is highly rated
today as it was when the last tests came out.  I can control to some 
extent
whether I can pick a virus checker that I can use comfortably. 
Therefore, I
don't know if the choice of accessibility versus effectiveness is 
truly as

obvious as you describe it.  Having said that, Casperski is common enough
that I am glad you are dialogging with them.  It would be nice if it were
more accessible, and I, for one, would be very interested to hear what 
you
hear from them and which areas you find to be useable and which you do 
not.


Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use
as of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to
protect me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one
of the top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to
compromise my computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant
about this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that
works best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable
level of protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding
these issues and I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is
improved. I would like to strongly urge all of you to do the same. If
one person contacts a company, they may be less inclined to act. If many
of us contact them with the same concerns, particularly if we're paying
customers, perhaps we'll get results which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose

Re: scripting vs. apps?

2015-08-07 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I agree. To many people, scripting sounds like programming and scripts 
might sound, to some users, like an advanced activity which might seem 
to have no relevance. Apps, as Chip correctly says, became popular with 
smartphones. Scripts sound boring; apps, to most people, sound like 
great fun!! Personally, I think that the name change from scripts to 
apps was a brilliant marketing move on the part of AI Squared.

I wish I'd thought of it!!!



David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 8/7/2015 12:33 PM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:

There is no difference; the terms mean exactly the same thing (it's just that when 
everyone began to use smart phones, the term apps really came into common 
usage).

I will copy your message to AI support in hopes they can look into the missing 
files.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joe Quinn via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: scripting vs. apps?

what's the difference between scripting for wineyes, and developing apps for 
windoweyes? is scripting still relivant? also, on a related note, the 
presentations page for scripting, linked at 
https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Developers/ the online beginning script 
training class for 5-4-09 and for 5-11-09 are not available. I get a 404 
message when I access them.


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Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-07 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Gary,
I hesitate to comment on your post publicly, as I admit it deviates from 
the topic of the Window-Eyes screen reader. However, I think it's 
important enough for me to take the risk. While two-factor 
authentication will make it harder for someone else to log into your 
account, I don't see how it will protect your computer from being 
attacked by malware. I agree that there are other steps you can and 
should take to protect yourself besides using an antimalware package. 
However, if you're using a Windows computer then I am concerned that you 
are choosing to refrain from using some sort of antimalware package as I 
think that doing so will leave you in a far more vulnerable position 
than you might realize. By all means, use two-factor authentication, use 
an extra hardware firewall, load Noscript or adblockers, use strong 
passwords and anything else that might appear on any security checklist. 
However, not using some sort of antimalware package is taking a huge 
risk that could compromise your software and other precious data.

Respectfully,


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 8/7/2015 7:24 PM, gary melconian wrote:

If you want to know none of the security experts recommend antivirus. They
recommend two step authentication and a few other  security  procutions but
anti virus was not on the list of the security experts. I have decided to
follow what the security experts do and not what the so called regular
consumer does.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:14 AM
To: David Goldfield david.goldfi...@outlook.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

I think this is good advice David, but a lot depends on whether you have
reasonable access to sighted help if there's a problem.  There are blind
people who just don't ever.

To those who are resistant to trying the best anti-malware programs, I
suggest do try to use to mouse cursor, as sometimes you can learn to make a
program accessible by finding and clicking the proper choices.  I've done
this with Trojan Killer and before it PrevX, which  received some of the
best ratings at the time.  I do think I am switching to Kaspersky, as it
does get great reviews, and with all of us having to use pcs for electronic
banking these days (or bill paying, or other critical functions), we can't
afford to have a virus/trojan in our lives.  It's my same reasoning which
causes me to urge everyone here to use the paid version of Window-Eyes, so
that you have support, because your pc is usually quite critical to your
daily life.

Yes, MSE isn't the best, but I still recommend it to people who have no
sighted help ever, or who won't spend money for anti-malware.  It's better
than nothing.

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use as
of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to protect
me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one of the
top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to compromise my
computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant about
this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that works
best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable level of
protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding these issues and
I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is improved. I would like to
strongly urge all of you to do the same. If one person contacts a company,
they may be less inclined to act. If many of us contact them with the same
concerns, particularly if we're paying customers, perhaps we'll get results
which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security program
because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to be using.
When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no longer acceptable
to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was speech-friendly. I'm also
an extremely cautious, responsible and security-conscious user but these
traits are no longer enough to keep you safe. I now insist on using security
software which is highly-rated, meaning

Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-07 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Gary,
I hesitate to comment on your post publicly, as I admit it deviates from 
the topic of the Window-Eyes screen reader. However, I think it's 
important enough for me to take the risk. While two-factor 
authentication will make it harder for someone else to log into your 
account, I don't see how it will protect your computer from being 
attacked by malware. I agree that there are other steps you can and 
should take to protect yourself besides using an antimalware package. 
However, if you're using a Windows computer then I am concerned that you 
are choosing to refrain from using some sort of antimalware package as I 
think that doing so will leave you in a far more vulnerable position 
than you might realize. By all means, use two-factor authentication, use 
an extra hardware firewall, load Noscript or adblockers, use strong 
passwords and anything else that might appear on any security checklist. 
However, not using some sort of antimalware package is taking a huge 
risk that could compromise your software and other precious data.

Respectfully,


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 8/7/2015 7:24 PM, gary melconian wrote:

If you want to know none of the security experts recommend antivirus. They
recommend two step authentication and a few other  security  procutions but
anti virus was not on the list of the security experts. I have decided to
follow what the security experts do and not what the so called regular
consumer does.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:14 AM
To: David Goldfield david.goldfi...@outlook.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

I think this is good advice David, but a lot depends on whether you have
reasonable access to sighted help if there's a problem.  There are blind
people who just don't ever.

To those who are resistant to trying the best anti-malware programs, I
suggest do try to use to mouse cursor, as sometimes you can learn to make a
program accessible by finding and clicking the proper choices.  I've done
this with Trojan Killer and before it PrevX, which  received some of the
best ratings at the time.  I do think I am switching to Kaspersky, as it
does get great reviews, and with all of us having to use pcs for electronic
banking these days (or bill paying, or other critical functions), we can't
afford to have a virus/trojan in our lives.  It's my same reasoning which
causes me to urge everyone here to use the paid version of Window-Eyes, so
that you have support, because your pc is usually quite critical to your
daily life.

Yes, MSE isn't the best, but I still recommend it to people who have no
sighted help ever, or who won't spend money for anti-malware.  It's better
than nothing.

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use as
of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to protect
me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one of the
top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to compromise my
computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant about
this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that works
best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable level of
protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding these issues and
I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is improved. I would like to
strongly urge all of you to do the same. If one person contacts a company,
they may be less inclined to act. If many of us contact them with the same
concerns, particularly if we're paying customers, perhaps we'll get results
which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security program
because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to be using.
When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no longer acceptable
to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was speech-friendly. I'm also
an extremely cautious, responsible and security-conscious user but these
traits are no longer enough to keep you safe. I now insist on using security
software which is highly-rated, meaning

Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-07 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Agreed. I do most of my day-to-day work using a standard account and 
most of my installing, uninstalling and maintenance using an admin 
account, which is password protected. That way, when the UAC comes up 
using the standard account a password needs to be entered to approve 
whatever change might be made. Of course, this will not guarantee you 
won't be attacked but it's just one small additional layer of security.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 8/7/2015 12:29 PM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:

Well ... one point about MSE is that it doesn't really even try to pretend it's in the 
same league of the big boys, it's just a whole lot better than nothing.  MS 
knows this and tries to suggest you also install more anti-malware.

Something else we all should be doing is to make sure UAC is enabled.  I don't 
find it too difficult to confirm I want a program to run now and again, and it 
may save you from a virus being able to install itself.

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

David,

First, I am sorry to hear that you had to deal with an infection.  Did you
ever get any idea where you picked it up?

I have struggled with the question of accessibility versus ratings and would
be curious to here your thoughts on a couple if issues.  First, I wonder if
not being able to adequately interact with a highly rated package isn't
going to reduce its effectiveness.  If I can't use the interface, am I going
to set up the options in a way that is most effective?  If I can't read a
warning message when a virus is encountered, am I going to make the right
choice?  I don't know if the above would apply to Casperski and not saying
that it does, the question is meant to be generic.

I've also read that ratings of virus checkers need to be considered
carefully because enough is known about testing that virus checkers can
tailor their protection to do well without it necessarily meaning much in
terms of broad protection.  Again, I am not saying Casperski does this,
because I do not know that is the case.  However, the whole state of viruses
and virus checkers is so variable that I am not convinced one can pick a
highly rated checker and know with any certainty that it is highly rated
today as it was when the last tests came out.  I can control to some extent
whether I can pick a virus checker that I can use comfortably.  Therefore, I
don't know if the choice of accessibility versus effectiveness is truly as
obvious as you describe it.  Having said that, Casperski is common enough
that I am glad you are dialogging with them.  It would be nice if it were
more accessible, and I, for one, would be very interested to hear what you
hear from them and which areas you find to be useable and which you do not.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
  
-Original Message-

From: Talk
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Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use
as of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to
protect me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one
of the top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to
compromise my computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant
about this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that
works best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable
level of protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding
these issues and I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is
improved. I would like to strongly urge all of you to do the same. If
one person contacts a company, they may be less inclined to act. If many
of us contact them with the same concerns, particularly if we're paying
customers, perhaps we'll get results which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security
program because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to
be using. When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no
longer acceptable to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was
speech-friendly. I'm also an extremely cautious, responsible and
security-conscious user but these traits

Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-07 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

 checkers is so variable that I am not convinced one can pick a
highly rated checker and know with any certainty that it is highly rated
today as it was when the last tests came out.  I can control to some extent
whether I can pick a virus checker that I can use comfortably.  Therefore, I
don't know if the choice of accessibility versus effectiveness is truly as
obvious as you describe it.  Having said that, Casperski is common enough
that I am glad you are dialogging with them.  It would be nice if it were
more accessible, and I, for one, would be very interested to hear what you
hear from them and which areas you find to be useable and which you do not.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
  
-Original Message-

From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use
as of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to
protect me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one
of the top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to
compromise my computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant
about this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that
works best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable
level of protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding
these issues and I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is
improved. I would like to strongly urge all of you to do the same. If
one person contacts a company, they may be less inclined to act. If many
of us contact them with the same concerns, particularly if we're paying
customers, perhaps we'll get results which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security
program because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to
be using. When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no
longer acceptable to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was
speech-friendly. I'm also an extremely cautious, responsible and
security-conscious user but these traits are no longer enough to keep
you safe. I now insist on using security software which is highly-rated,
meaning that it gets excellent scores with independent lab tests. If
it's not accessible, I am willing to engage in constructive dialog with
the company and I will go to incredible lengths to do this but, in the
end my goal is to make it accessible.

On 8/6/2015 2:45 PM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Not at all! My notebook running 8.1 came with it and after upgrading
yesterday to windows 10 I was glad to see it was gone.
- Original Message - From: Casey via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:33 AM
Subject: casperski antivirus



Hi just wondering is casperski antivirus useable with window-eyes?
Last I heard it wasn't but just wondering if things changed or not in
that regard.


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Re: casperski antivirus

2015-08-06 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some 
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use 
as of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to 
protect me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one 
of the top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to 
compromise my computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant 
about this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this. 
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security 
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that 
works best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable 
level of protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding 
these issues and I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is 
improved. I would like to strongly urge all of you to do the same. If 
one person contacts a company, they may be less inclined to act. If many 
of us contact them with the same concerns, particularly if we're paying 
customers, perhaps we'll get results which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security 
program because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to 
be using. When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no 
longer acceptable to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was 
speech-friendly. I'm also an extremely cautious, responsible and 
security-conscious user but these traits are no longer enough to keep 
you safe. I now insist on using security software which is highly-rated, 
meaning that it gets excellent scores with independent lab tests. If 
it's not accessible, I am willing to engage in constructive dialog with 
the company and I will go to incredible lengths to do this but, in the 
end my goal is to make it accessible.


On 8/6/2015 2:45 PM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
Not at all! My notebook running 8.1 came with it and after upgrading 
yesterday to windows 10 I was glad to see it was gone.
- Original Message - From: Casey via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com

To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:33 AM
Subject: casperski antivirus



Hi just wondering is casperski antivirus useable with window-eyes?
Last I heard it wasn't but just wondering if things changed or not in 
that regard.



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Re: Screen Reader History

2015-08-02 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Jeff,
Thank you for sharing that amazing piece of history. There are so many 
products which we use on a daily basis and we know little about the 
product's origins and its inventors. I believe that someone started an 
assistive technology history wiki and your story should definitely be 
submitted. Is Malcom still with us?


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On 8/2/2015 8:21 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
In 1985 I bought a used IBM PC with the same 256 KB of memory and 2 
double-sided floppy disk drives for only $3,000. I worked for the 
National Park Service in Yosemite and a coworker of mine, Malcom 
Holser, wrote a screen reader program for me to use with an Echo PC 
serial synthesizer. Malcom came up with the name Vocal-Eyes and later 
sold the program to Computer
Aids Corporation. However, they were strict on including the word 
talk in most all their software so it became Screen Talk. Later, I 
was pleased when GW Micro picked up and used the name Vocal-Eyes.

Jeff

At 03:51 PM 8/2/2015, you wrote:
I got my first IBM clone (256K of RAM) at this time in 1985, and was 
running Screen-Talk before Computer Aids Corporation added the Prokey 
macros. A SET file was about 128 bytes long, and I edited some of 
them with Edlin for better compatibility with my Votrax Personal 
Speech System. Many times I'm amazed that this Windows stuff works at 
all.
Windows 3.1 came out in 1990, and the first screen reader for Windows 
was OutSpoken, which was first demonstrated in July of 1992. 
Window-Eyes for Windows 3.1 came out in 1995, and it could first run 
Windows 95 in 1997.


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Such memories, got my first Apple 2 e in 1983.  Anyone remember file
talk?  Got an ibm clone in 85 and ran screen talk with prokey.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 2
Aug 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a 
computer that I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal 
eyes on it.  But I was so used to the Artic that I didn't like the 
vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes, the five inch soft ones and the 
3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I still have them! Pam.


-Original Message- From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past



regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf

Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom


On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
 Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW 
over the

 past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 


 Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is 
turned

on

 by default called Do not track.

 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

 It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the 
security of

 Windows not make it worse.



 Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

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Re: Screen Reader History

2015-08-02 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

For me, Vocal-eyes 1.1 for DOS was the first DOS screen reader I ever 
used back in 1990. I remember studying the recorded manual and thinking 
that this was the most amazing piece of software.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 8/2/2015 6:51 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
I got my first IBM clone (256K of RAM) at this time in 1985, and was 
running Screen-Talk before Computer Aids Corporation added the Prokey 
macros. A SET file was about 128 bytes long, and I edited some of them 
with Edlin for better compatibility with my Votrax Personal Speech 
System. Many times I'm amazed that this Windows stuff works at all.
Windows 3.1 came out in 1990, and the first screen reader for Windows 
was OutSpoken, which was first demonstrated in July of 1992. 
Window-Eyes for Windows 3.1 came out in 1995, and it could first run 
Windows 95 in 1997.


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Such memories, got my first Apple 2 e in 1983.  Anyone remember file
talk?  Got an ibm clone in 85 and ran screen talk with prokey.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 2
Aug 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a 
computer that I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal 
eyes on it.  But I was so used to the Artic that I didn't like the 
vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes, the five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch 
ones.  Somewhere, I still have them! Pam.


-Original Message- From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past



regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom


On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
 Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW 
over the

 past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is 
turned

on

 by default called Do not track.

 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

 It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the 
security of

 Windows not make it worse.



 Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

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Re: file hippo alternatives that are free that will work with WE.

2015-07-13 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Sue,
I have not used FileHippo but I believe it's a repository or collection
of various computer programs. If that's what it is I want to warn you
about being cautious when using sites like this. From what I'm reading,
many of these file collections are now bundling extra software in the
installers which, while not technically a virus, is often considered
malware as it can add toolbars and other unwanted items to your browser.
When I want to get an update for a particular program, I try and go to
the Web site of the developer of the software and download directly from
that site. As an example, if I want to download a demo copy of
Window-Eyes onto a computer I'd make sure that I download it from
AISquared's official Web site, even if a site like Download.com or
FileHippo.com claims that they have a demo of the latest version.
Even while doing that, some developers (not AI Squared) can add this
sort of unwanted software in their installers. I'm not saying you
shouldn't do this or that you shouldn't download from file repositories
but please be cautious.

Personally, I'd avoid those sites like the plague.
Here's a link to a HowtoGeek article talking about the top file
repositories and how they try to force malware on you, including
FileHippo. Some of the language contained in this article is a bit crass
and it's not how I'd choose to write this piece but the information is
still valuable.

http://www.howtogeek.com/207692/yes-every-freeware-download-site-is-serving-crapware-heres-the-proof/?PageSpeed=noscript

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 7/13/2015 10:08 PM, Sue J Ward via Talk wrote:
Hello. Since 2010 have been using file hippo once it was really good
but lately it has been so-so: was wondering has anyone found an
alternative that have been using to keep their software up to date and
is easy to use that will work with window eyes?

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Re: Cut and paste question.

2015-07-12 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I don't know about the f8 key in particular when it came to editing in 
DOS. However, you are right in that, with DOS, you would usually press a 
certain key at the beginning of a block of text that you wanted to 
select. Once that mark was set, you could leisurely arrow around until 
you were certain that you were at the end of the block of text and you 
would then press another key to indicate that this was the end of the 
block of text. This was what I remembered in DOS, although I was 
probably one of the few blind people who never got the hang of 
WordPerfect. This was also how it was done in the Braille 'n Speak. When 
Windows came along, the method of using the shift key along with 
navigation keys was intuitive and at least it was consistent across 
programs but, in the beginning, it was a real adjustment for me. Now, I 
select text without thinking about it but I actually like the way 
Window-Eyes allows you to do it in browse mode. I admit that that I 
sometimes forget that this is how it must be done when I'm using 
Window-Eyes on the Web and I occasionally reach for the shift key along 
with an arrow key impulsively and so I wish we did have this method as 
an option. However, as I said in a previous message I wish we could 
optionally use the f8 key to select text in any program where a text 
edit field is present, such as Wordpad, Jarte, etc.



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On 7/12/2015 4:15 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I think the f8 goes back to the dos days, if I remember my dos 
correctly. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Rob'
Subject: Re: Cut and paste question.

Maybe I am missing something.  If you press control-shift-down arrow,
don't you have to hold down the down arrow anyway?  How is that
different from f-8?  The only thing I don't like about f-8 is precisely
figuring out the parameters of what I want to copy.

On 7/12/2015 2:02 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote:

For the record,
I can't figure out, for the life of me, why GW-Micro thought that the 
old
method of cut and paste needed fixing. This F-8 thing is for the 
birds! I do
quite a bit of selecting large portions of text, from either emails 
or web

pages, and I'm constantly having to go through a large document line by
line, just to delete blank lines that appear in the document. This is a
pain, and never happened with the old method, control-shift-down 
arrow. This

is simply ridiculous!


  -Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rob via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Cut and paste question.

You use the f8 method whenever you are in browse mode.
- Original Message -
From: Reeva Webb via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:41 PM
Subject: Cut and paste question.


Hi, i had a question about cut and paste. I was wondering if i 
wanted to

cut and paste something from a email in outlook would i use the f8 copy
paste method or the standard windows one?  If it makes a difference i'm
using outlook 2013.

Reeva
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Re: Cut and paste question.

2015-07-12 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

While I don't claim to represent AI Squared and so cannot speak for them 
I would like to say that the method of using the f8 key to perform copy 
and pasting commands has a benefit over the traditional method of using 
the shift key along with navigation keys. With the newer method of using 
the f8 key, you are free to roam around using standard navigation keys 
and go through the document at a leisurely pace, using standard reading 
commands, until you locate the end of the block of text you want to 
select. With the older, traditional method you have to always use the 
shift key and letting go of that key while navigating unselects text 
which you may have selected. Frankly, I wish we could have a similar 
method of text selection which would be available in any program with a 
text edit field but that's just my personal view.


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On 7/12/2015 2:02 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote:

For the record,
I can't figure out, for the life of me, why GW-Micro thought that the old
method of cut and paste needed fixing. This F-8 thing is for the birds! I do
quite a bit of selecting large portions of text, from either emails or web
pages, and I'm constantly having to go through a large document line by
line, just to delete blank lines that appear in the document. This is a
pain, and never happened with the old method, control-shift-down arrow. This
is simply ridiculous!


  
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Cut and paste question.

You use the f8 method whenever you are in browse mode.
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:41 PM
Subject: Cut and paste question.



Hi, i had a question about cut and paste. I was wondering if i wanted to
cut and paste something from a email in outlook would i use the f8 copy
paste method or the standard windows one?  If it makes a difference i'm
using outlook 2013.

Reeva
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Re: Seeking Your Input

2015-05-31 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I actually think that a built-in captcha decoder is a terrific idea. It 
would really make Window-Eyes stand out from its competition.


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On 5/31/2015 3:11 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
Given the fact that  I couldn't create an account for Google Groups 
and that I couldn't purchase a book from O'Reilly Media about the 
IPhone yesterday, I think improving web access should be a high 
priority. Also I note that I haven't received any helpful hints since 
I E-mailed the list about them yesterday. While the mouse can be moved 
around to some degree in Internet Explorer 11, it is far from optimal. 
Every now and then, I will pull up a web page., and it will freeze 
while loading. I can alt-Tab to other programs and back to the page 
but Window-Eyes won't read anything. However, when I press Alt-),, the 
web address will be read. Unlike other sites, you can't talk with 
anyone at Google about Google Groups. It's quite a  joke when one 
can't even create an account to get on a list that is supposed to help 
visually-impaired people. Oh yes, there is AxisReader for reading 
Epubs--the Iphone app. Again,I can't sign up for a Google Groups 
acount so I can get on a mailing list to ask anyone about this. I 
can't even read the reference manual. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just 
frustrated. My Saturday was an utter failure. Back to my three 
priorities:  They are improved web access including improved focus and 
use of the mouse, OCR capabilities including captcha solving, and fix 
Read-to-End in WLM when composing or replying to a message.


-Original Message- From: Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Seeking Your Input

Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  
If you could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add 
to our screen reading product, what would they be?


Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

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Re: Seeking Your Input

2015-05-29 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

As I'm adding a fifth suggestion to my initial list, does this mean I'm 
pleading the fifth?


Seriously, I totally agree with this request about support for 
LibreOffice. I realize that AI Squared is partnering with Microsoft. I 
realize that Microsoft Office is a major Microsoft product and, for many 
reasons, it is essential that Window-Eyes remains better than 
competitive by offering the best access to Office as we can get. I get 
that and agree with it. However, one of the reasons for why I broke down 
and purchased Office 365 at home was because, if I'm going to be honest, 
Office offers me the best accessibility for document creation and 
editing. I'm sure Microsoft is quite pleased with this fact. I also feel 
no malice toward them for their products or for the way they are being 
marketed and distributed. The fact is that Microsoft Word is a darn good 
product, is used by a lot of people and screen readers need to support 
it. However, Office should not be the only choice available to us. Some 
people just can't afford it. Some can but don't feel that they should 
have to pay for a decent word processor and I'm in that camp. I love the 
philosophy of open source, not just because many open source packages 
are free but because they are written and supported by a community, 
rather than a corporation, which has some advantages over Microsoft 
Word. Although Window-Eyes isn't such a product, the scripting/app 
development aspect brings that community involvement to Window-Eyes and 
you guys do it better than your competition. Having said that, we need 
to see equal support for LibreOffice, or at least as much as can be 
implemented if there are limitations caused by the software. I can tell 
you that the Document Foundation, which produces and distributes 
LibreOffice, is interested in accessibility-related feedback and would 
probably be happy to work with AI Squared in helping to make Window-Eyes 
work just as well with Writer as it does with Word. This would open up 
good word processing to many more of your users and would make 
Window-Eyes stand apart from the competition if we could have the same 
level of support with LibreOffice/OpenOffice as we do with Word.



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On 5/29/2015 2:54 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:

Hi Jeremy,

My wish list include:

1. Better support for Mozilla products especially Thunderbird Mail (basically 
mouse navigation)
2. the ability to import/export window-eyes settings
3. better support for non-microsoft products such as open office and Liber 
office so we the end users have better choice.
4. better labelling graphics capability (the insert+g when finish labelling 
does not tells you how many labels it found and how many manage to really label 
them).
5. better support for the most three used programming languages  packages used 
today.


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On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:33
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Seeking Your Input

Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If you 
could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our screen 
reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

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Re: Seeking Your Input

2015-05-29 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Here are my ideas/requests for possible Window-Eyes enhancements.
1. The ability to run Window-Eyes completely off of a thumb drive 
without the need to install drivers onto the host system. (If this is 
already possible, please let me know.
2. An offline dictionary with thesaurus. I realize that some people will 
passionately disagree with this request by saying that this is not a 
screen-reader specific feature and that we have many online options for 
word definitions and synonyms. These statements are all true and so 
there's no need to debate that. However, this is something that would 
still make Window-Eyes not only useful but unique as I don't believe 
this is available in other Windows screen readers. This could be an 
optional component to be installed and, like the Mac, could be globally 
available, even without an Internet connection. I could envision being 
in a Word document or a Web page, placing the cursor on a word without 
the need to highlight it first and being able to look up definitions and 
such with the press of a hotkey. Again, perhaps this is hardly necessary 
but it would make Window-Eyes stand out from the competition.
3. The ability to enter BIOs/Uefi settings and have them accessible. 
Maybe it's not possible. However, some might have concluded that screen 
readers would never be able to talk in safe mode and Window-Eyes can 
offer that capability, which is one of the things which makes it truly 
unique and which makes it stand apart from its competition. If AI 
Squared could offer this feature you'd be able to do this even more.


And if I may sneak in a fourth idea ...

4. Could we please have built-in voices from other text-to-speech 
vendors, such as Ivona or A Capella? This is totally irrational but as 
much as I don't mind Samantha on my iPhone I don't care for her as much 
on my Windows PC and I'd like to see some additional alternatives.


Thanks for asking for our input.



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On 5/29/2015 2:58 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:

Ahhh! This email remind me something. Please better support for Abby-fine 
reader V11 and V12 respectively.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:45
To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

A WE app to make one of the off the shelf OCR programs more accessible.

On 5/28/2015 2:32 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If you 
could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our screen 
reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

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Re: changing the volume of Window-Eyes

2015-05-04 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Kathy,
Press ctrl-alt-left arrow until you hear the word volume.
Next, press ctrl-alt-down arrow to move the volume down to a lower level 
or ctrl-alt-up arrow to move the volume higher.


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On 5/4/2015 9:46 AM, Kathy via Talk wrote:

How do I change the volume of windoweyes? Ty

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Re: Outlook 2010 help??

2015-04-22 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Sorry, my previous advice seemed to work when I tested it but upon
closing and restarting Outlook the appointment chime did in fact play. I
apologize. Glad I didn't charge anyone for that ...

On 4/22/2015 12:16 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
Ah, it sounds like holidays were downloaded into your Outlook
calendar, which is an option but which shouldn't have happened
automatically, as far as I know.
I don't believe that there is a way to delete all of the holidays
stored in your calendar with one command. However, you can tell
Outlook to not play the reminder sound. Here is how to do this.

From the main Outlook window, press alt-F for the file menu (backstage
view, to be technical.)

Arrow down to options and press enter.
You will be in a list of categories.
In this list, press down arrow until you hear the word calendar.
Don't press enter at this point; rather, press the tab key to move
through the plethora of calendar options.
Move to the default reminders checkbox and press the spacebar to
uncheck the checkbox.

Press enter and your problem should be fixed.

On 4/22/2015 9:38 AM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I'm using a Windows 7 64-bit laptop with ie 11 and latest Firefox. I
have
all updates. Since We 9.1, I continually get the reminder chime when
I go
into my inbox and just want to read email. I mean, I don't mind a
reminder
once but I get them consistently even when I'm overdue. They pop up
and the
chime goes off and I'd just like to be able to control when I'm
nagged about

something. Where do I go to take charge of this???
Thank you! I'll remind you same time tomorrow if I hear nothing!

Jo Taliaferro

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Using Window-Eyes 9.1 with Windows Live Mail

2015-04-22 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Hi. One of the users from my local users' group wrote to us about some 
issues she was experiencing using Window-Eyes and Windows Live Mail. I 
wrote the following message and wanted to post it here to see if others 
can confirm my findings.


This is regarding some messages regarding using Windows Live Mail and 
Window-Eyes. I did a bit of exploration with this combination of 
software. What I'm finding is that, when I am in the message composition 
window of WLM, Window-Eyes says the word pane and not edit or words 
to that effect. When I'm in the to: cc or subject fields Window-Eyes 
correctly identifies the control as an edit control and says the word 
edit, which is what I'd expect. However, in spite of this bug I am 
able to use the cursor to freely navigate and edit the text in this 
message composition window. This odd paine message is spoken 
regardless of whether I am replying to a message or just creating a new 
one. As I said, I'm still able to use the cursor to review what I've 
written. This is a glitch which, while harmless, is something that AI 
Squared should consider correcting.
I tried using the insert-R command to reclass this window as either an 
edit or richedit control. When I did this, I was unable to use standard 
navigation keys to navigate within this window and pressing 
insert-ctrl-C did not locate a cursor.
I will send a copy of this message to the Window-Eyes mailing list to 
see if others can confirm this behavior.


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Re: I made my desktop icons too chatty! stop, already!

2015-04-01 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Jo,
There are a few ways you could fix this. You could do it from within
Window-Eyes to tell it not to read tooltips or you could do it from
within Windows to tell Windows itself not to show them in the first
place. To do it from within Windows, try this.

Open a Windows Explorer window, such as My Computer.
Press alt-t for the Tools menu.
Press O for options.
You should now be in a multi-page dialog in the general tab.
Press control-tab, which changes your view from the general page to
the view page.

Press the tab key a few times until you're in a list of items.
Arrow down until you get to show pop-up descriptions for folder and
desktop items and press the spacebar to uncheck or disable this item.

Go to the ok button and press enter.

On 4/1/2015 8:39 AM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

Hello,
I am using latest version of WE, and Windows 7 64-bit on a laptop. Over the
past few days, I've been reading the manual and searching the index, because
when I press for example, Dropbox on my desktop, I get the location of the
program, the type, when modified, etc. Where do I go in the WE control
panel, to shut all this chatting up!?? Thanks, this is not a joke!

Jo Taliaferro

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Very Minor Suggestion Regarding the B and Shift B Command in Browse Mode

2015-03-26 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

Yesterday, I was navigating through a Web page and I pressed the letter 
B as I thought that the page contained buttons. As it happens, the page 
did not contain any buttons and Window-eyes understandably said no 
button. I thought, however, that this was, in fact, a button labeled 
no as in a form where you have a yes button and a no button. It's 
almost funny, really, and I found it amusing. I wonder if the message 
should be changed to something like no button available or words to 
that effect.

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Re: should I remove it

2015-03-19 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

For all we know, the program might suggest that you remove Window-Eyes. 
grin


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On 3/19/2015 8:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk wrote:

Neville,

I'd be very very careful with this type utility.  What if you had a 
false positive.  Meaning in other words, what if it told you that 
something wasn't needed, so, you remove it only then to find that it 
causes other things to start playing disaster.


I'm sure you know this already, but all that I am basically saying is, 
programs like this can be great, but just be sure to backup, and to 
first do your humon research as well.  I'd not soly rely on an 
application to tell me what it thinks is good vs. bad.  Sorry. I know 
this doesn't really answer the question, but it's just my two cents 
worth.  Take it or leave it.


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- Original Message - From: Neville via Talk 
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To: Window Eyes talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:23 PM
Subject: should I remove it



Hi,

Has anyone tried the free programme, Should I remove it with WE 9.1?


It seems the utility informs the user the purpose of a programme on 
the system and whether it can be safely removed.  It also makes the 
task of removal very easy.


Apparently there has been a lot of  users like Kim Commando singing 
its praises but wondering if it is speech friendly.



Thanks
Neville.

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ClamWin

2015-03-06 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Chris and others,
I just checked the Clamwin Web site and it does indicate that Clamwin 
does not include a real-time scanner. However, there is a separate 
real-time scanner called Clam Sentinel. I have never used it with screen 
readers and so I can't speak for its accessibility but I'll provide the 
link for anyone who'd like to check it out.

http://clamsentinel.sourceforge.net/

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On 3/6/2015 9:16 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

I may be wrong, I don't think Clamwin does real-time scanning.

Chris
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf ofbrendoncdono...@icloud.com  via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:55 PM
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Subject: Re: kaspersky security suite

Hello, don't use it! It is not accessible.use clanwin antivirus! 
Fromwww.clanwin.com/let  me know how you go with this? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 7 Mar 2015, at 3:41 am, Jim via Talktalk@lists.window-eyes.com  wrote:




On 06-Mar-15 11:27, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
Has anyone had any luck with  this Kaspersky security? I had some work
done on my laptop and they gave me a one year free subscription for
this security suite. To me, it's inaccessible.
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Bryce, hopefully I spelled your name correctly..? I have ran this security 
system and no it isn't very accessible.  I have the gentleman who does my computer 
work help me with it when it needs updated.  Once it is set up you really don't 
need to do anything since it runs totally in the background as I understand.  One 
thing I will say is that I have had this package on my system since the summer of 
2012 and have never been bothered with any sort of viruses spyware or even much in 
the way of anoying popups.  So if you can keep it updated I think you will like it 
since it is very low maintenance.  Just my two sense worth for whatever that might 
be worth.  THANKS 73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth.
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ClamWin

2015-03-06 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Chris and others,
I just checked the Clamwin Web site and it does indicate that Clamwin 
does not include a real-time scanner. However, there is a separate 
real-time scanner called Clam Sentinel. I have never used it with screen 
readers and so I can't speak for its accessibility but I'll provide the 
link for anyone who'd like to check it out.

http://clamsentinel.sourceforge.net/

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On 3/6/2015 9:16 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

I may be wrong, I don't think Clamwin does real-time scanning.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:55 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: kaspersky security suite

Hello, don't use it! It is not accessible.use clanwin antivirus! From 
www.clanwin.com/let me know how you go with this? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 7 Mar 2015, at 3:41 am, Jim via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:




On 06-Mar-15 11:27, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
Has anyone had any luck with  this Kaspersky security? I had some work
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this security suite. To me, it's inaccessible.
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Bryce, hopefully I spelled your name correctly..? I have ran this security 
system and no it isn't very accessible.  I have the gentleman who does my computer 
work help me with it when it needs updated.  Once it is set up you really don't 
need to do anything since it runs totally in the background as I understand.  One 
thing I will say is that I have had this package on my system since the summer of 
2012 and have never been bothered with any sort of viruses spyware or even much in 
the way of anoying popups.  So if you can keep it updated I think you will like it 
since it is very low maintenance.  Just my two sense worth for whatever that might 
be worth.  THANKS 73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth.
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Re: Microsoft security essentials

2015-02-28 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Hi. The link to download Microsoft Security Essentials is
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security-essentials-download

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On 2/28/2015 10:53 AM, Amy Gordon via Talk wrote:

Someone sent me a link on here to download Microsoft security
essentials without the as. I had to reset my computer and lost the
link. Could someone send it to me again please? Thanks
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Re: A New Way Of Composing email Messages, Has Some Benefits?

2015-02-16 Thread David Goldfield via Talk


Hi.
The free edition of Jarte doesn't contain the check spelling as you type 
feature, although it does contain the accessible spellcheck option, 
available via the f7 key. I must admit that reading your message is 
really tempting me to spring for the $20 to buy the pro version. Btw, 
version 5.3 was just recently released.

It's too bad that Thunderbird doesn't have a similar feature.

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On 2/17/2015 1:53 AM, Dane Trethowan via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone!

I have a new way of writing email messages which I'm finding to be 
most beneficial because I now have instant access to a Check Spelling 
As You Type feature thanks to the excellent Jarte Plus word 
processing package, I first write my email message in Jarte, copy the 
message to the clipboard and paste it into the body of a new email 
message I compose in Thunderbird after filling out the address, 
subject fields etc.


Writing the email in Jarte has the advantage of being able to use the 
perfectly accessible Check Spelling As You Type functionality that 
Jarte Plus offers, I'm not sure about the free version of Jarte as I 
started from the Pro edition and have installed upgrades and updates 
were appropriate ever since.


The way the function works is quite simple, when Jarte detects a 
incorrect spelling a beep is heard, you then can review your text, 
place the cursor in the incorrect word, , press the context key on the 
keyboard and see the corrections offered for the word in question, 
hear the spelling etc.


I got used to the Check Spelling As You Type feature thanks to the 
Mac machine I use where this functionality is standard for all 
applications unless the user chooses to turn it off.  Jart Plus is the 
only application I've found which offers something very similar in an 
accessible and easy to use form, perhaps other users have found 
similar functionality and use in other Windows software or perhaps 
within an email client itself? If so I'd like to hear about it as I'm 
sure would other users.




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Re: window-eyes 9.0 ie 11 freezing or lag

2015-02-15 Thread David Goldfield via Talk

I particularly notice this when I visit cnn.com using IE11. It doesn't 
happen with Firefox but with FF I'm using the Noscript addon, which 
tends to supress some of the activity on many busy pages.


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On 2/15/2015 1:34 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
I've noticed this too, but sadly there doesn't seem to be any real 
rhyme or reason for it, it seems to be random.  I'll open IE to go to 
a web page, and then, all of a sudden either the entire pc gets held 
up, or Window-eyes just shuts down, no error message or anything.  
Doing the usual alt control w brings it back, but it shouldn't be 
crashing at random.  I'm certainly hoping this issue will be fixed in 
the next update.
Like I said I could do this a hundred times in a row without incident, 
but then another time, seemingly at random, window-eyes will shut down 
after opening a web page.  This is in IE 11 in windows 7 64-bit.





On 2/15/2015 10:45 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
I have reported the issue of losing speech while arrowing down a web 
page using IE 11 on a Win 8.1 system and WEE 9.  Will be arrowing 
down or using the mouse keys to read a web page and WE just stops 
talking. No particular web page  just can happen any time any where.



On 2/15/2015 9:00 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

jHi Jim,

This morning trying to read my normal news papers it was a 
nightmare. It
was slow, and after pressing enter on a link, often nothing would 
happen

but it did indicate the link I had pressed enter on was a visited link.
The pages wouldn't load. Trying to get back to a previous page was
impossible. I gave in. I will try later to see if there was something
else causing the problem. That was using IE 11 and W.E 9.






















Live long and prosper, John

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From: Jim Ruby via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:10 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: windows 9.0 ie 11 freezing or lag


Hi, I am curious if others are experiencing window-eyes 9.0 using ie
11 many
web pages either lagging or freezing? I know the way window-eyes has
change
for handling web pages has changed.  I just need to figure out if I am
not
doing something correctly or should there be something I should be 
doing

different or are my expectations of performance to high?

Often when researching the pages freez / window-eyes stops talking 
and I

just stop close the page and walk away. This did not happen under
window-eyes 8.04, but guess this is not really fair since window-eyes
9.0 is
handling the web pages and not using a buffer any more.

Next time I can try and provide links where this is happening, but
right now
my frustration got the best of me, sorry. I know they could use the
links to
see if they get the same problem.

Thanks.


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