Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I would be interested in knowing, did you try the current version of 
window-eyes in  build 15002 of windows?  If so,  did you find any problems?


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:02 PM
To: 'Stan Gowin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dave'
Subject: RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Hi:

Well, I've played with Narrator, even the one in the build 15002 of Windows, 
and, it has a long way to go to come close to even NVDA, System Access, Jaws 
or Window-Eyes.


I hope we still have a few choices, because, I would be very upset if 
Narrator was the only game in town.


The speech engines from Microsoft are about as responsive as an old serial 
synthesizer running at about 10 baud.  In short, they suck, as far as 
responsiveness is concerned.  Sure, they sound ok, but, they're falling 
short of the mark in everything else.


On the Mac platform, I was blown away by Alex's responsiveness.  Alex is a 
great voice, and, if you've never used a Mac, you just won't believe how 
responsive Alex is.  And, with the Mac even being faster, I imagine Alex is 
even more responsive.


Anyway, with all due respect, Microsoft would have a lot of catching up to 
do before they can even touch NVDA, let alone the paid screen-readers.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Stan Gowin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing 
to the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several 
of the screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.


The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of 
Window Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper 
adaptive solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows 
Apple and improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with 
the expensive screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it 
won’t be just WE that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar 
screen reader will be untenable.



Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini

On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When
that staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not
a Good Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone
for good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow
their employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a
much smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources
to update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin,
and make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adju

Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I am disappointed that industry insiders seemed unable or unwilling to 
investigate what has been going on.



Such investigations are expensive, but the NFB used to be very good at 
exposing unethical and dishonest behaviour.  Those occasional lifting 
the lids on bad agency practices were what made the Braille Monitor 
credible.



Maybe such an investigation article is pending - they take time to 
research and prepare.



There wil be tax records, and I guess that all companies have some 
public disclosure requirements.  But professionals in areas of 
accounting and tax law would need to do the work, and it doesn't come cheap.





Vaughan.




On 1/30/2017 1:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

As I once said, and as I hear again restate, I wish that GW Micro had gone
public and issued an IPO.  Though I am poor, I shall have bought at least 25
shares or more!  Several others might have done better than me by buying
more shares.  Perhaps, just perhaps, the employees of the company would have
kicked in something by way of stockholding.  And thus Window-Eyes shall have
been preserved and no need for a useless merger.

I don't ask anyone else to agree; but under current arrangements, I feel
betrayed.  I was still a student in Indiana when Computer Aids Corporation
went under; GW Micro took it over and rebranded it.  Now, GW Micro is being
shoved into a pit from which it may never emerge.  Though I can't prove or
vouch for it accurately, I feel deep in my soul that some of GW Micro's
executives who disagreed with current arrangement MIGHT HAVE BEEN FORCED
into retirement provided they kept their lips sealed and closed airtight.
Such acts happen in corporate environments; In this case though, I wish I
can be proven wrong, but there will be no documents to back anything up,
I'll just be forced to believe what I am told or take it for whatever I
think it is worth.

Well, I did install Window-Eyes 9.5.4; it shuts down at random; a relaunch
of Window-Eyes of my computer DOES NOT work and, I am forced to restart or
reboot the computer completely.  This is a Windows7 64Bit Professional box.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I have had n.o issues with the latest WE on my Windows-8 machine.  While 
no one should be have to upgrade, I can't help but wonder perhaps WE and 
a newer version of Windows would be more compatible.  Also, public 
companies are not immune to being swallowed up.

On 1/29/2017 7:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> As I once said, and as I hear again restate, I wish that GW Micro had gone
> public and issued an IPO.  Though I am poor, I shall have bought at least 25
> shares or more!  Several others might have done better than me by buying
> more shares.  Perhaps, just perhaps, the employees of the company would have
> kicked in something by way of stockholding.  And thus Window-Eyes shall have
> been preserved and no need for a useless merger.
>
> I don't ask anyone else to agree; but under current arrangements, I feel
> betrayed.  I was still a student in Indiana when Computer Aids Corporation
> went under; GW Micro took it over and rebranded it.  Now, GW Micro is being
> shoved into a pit from which it may never emerge.  Though I can't prove or
> vouch for it accurately, I feel deep in my soul that some of GW Micro's
> executives who disagreed with current arrangement MIGHT HAVE BEEN FORCED
> into retirement provided they kept their lips sealed and closed airtight.
> Such acts happen in corporate environments; In this case though, I wish I
> can be proven wrong, but there will be no documents to back anything up,
> I'll just be forced to believe what I am told or take it for whatever I
> think it is worth.
>
> Well, I did install Window-Eyes 9.5.4; it shuts down at random; a relaunch
> of Window-Eyes of my computer DOES NOT work and, I am forced to restart or
> reboot the computer completely.  This is a Windows7 64Bit Professional box.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

As I once said, and as I hear again restate, I wish that GW Micro had gone
public and issued an IPO.  Though I am poor, I shall have bought at least 25
shares or more!  Several others might have done better than me by buying
more shares.  Perhaps, just perhaps, the employees of the company would have
kicked in something by way of stockholding.  And thus Window-Eyes shall have
been preserved and no need for a useless merger.  

I don't ask anyone else to agree; but under current arrangements, I feel
betrayed.  I was still a student in Indiana when Computer Aids Corporation
went under; GW Micro took it over and rebranded it.  Now, GW Micro is being
shoved into a pit from which it may never emerge.  Though I can't prove or
vouch for it accurately, I feel deep in my soul that some of GW Micro's
executives who disagreed with current arrangement MIGHT HAVE BEEN FORCED
into retirement provided they kept their lips sealed and closed airtight.
Such acts happen in corporate environments; In this case though, I wish I
can be proven wrong, but there will be no documents to back anything up,
I'll just be forced to believe what I am told or take it for whatever I
think it is worth.  

Well, I did install Window-Eyes 9.5.4; it shuts down at random; a relaunch
of Window-Eyes of my computer DOES NOT work and, I am forced to restart or
reboot the computer completely.  This is a Windows7 64Bit Professional box.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[michaels mail via Talk]

Yes i agree i love my vacbook pro it is a great machine.
And allex is my favourite voice.
So i have a lot less crashes on my mac then on windows.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 7:02 AM
To: 'Stan Gowin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dave'
Subject: RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Hi:

Well, I've played with Narrator, even the one in the build 15002 of Windows, 
and, it has a long way to go to come close to even NVDA, System Access, Jaws 
or Window-Eyes.


I hope we still have a few choices, because, I would be very upset if 
Narrator was the only game in town.


The speech engines from Microsoft are about as responsive as an old serial 
synthesizer running at about 10 baud.  In short, they suck, as far as 
responsiveness is concerned.  Sure, they sound ok, but, they're falling 
short of the mark in everything else.


On the Mac platform, I was blown away by Alex's responsiveness.  Alex is a 
great voice, and, if you've never used a Mac, you just won't believe how 
responsive Alex is.  And, with the Mac even being faster, I imagine Alex is 
even more responsive.


Anyway, with all due respect, Microsoft would have a lot of catching up to 
do before they can even touch NVDA, let alone the paid screen-readers.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Stan Gowin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing 
to the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several 
of the screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.


The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of 
Window Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper 
adaptive solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows 
Apple and improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with 
the expensive screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it 
won’t be just WE that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar 
screen reader will be untenable.



Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini

On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When
that staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not
a Good Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone
for good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow
their employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a
much smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources
to update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin,
and make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will

Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Robert Grimwood via Talk]

Dear Stan,


I think that you have hit the nail right on its head.


Regards,

Robert


On 1/29/2017 7:16 PM, Stan Gowin via Talk wrote:

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing to 
the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several of the 
screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.

The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of Window 
Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper adaptive 
solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows Apple and 
improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with the expensive 
screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it won’t be just WE 
that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar screen reader will 
be untenable.

  
Regards,

Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini   



On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk  wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Robert Grimwood via Talk]

Dear Vaughan,


anyone who has followed the history of Jaws would realize that its 
owners and developers have little compassion or concern for you and me. 
The disappointing factor for me is the way in which so many of those who 
developed and promoted WE have, as far as I can see, sold their souls 
for 30 pieces. The fact that none of these has had the guts to blow the 
whistle says much about the cultural decline which has occurred in 
GWMicro during the last 5-or-so years. They do not care about us, and 
they never will.



Best regards,

Robert


On 1/29/2017 7:45 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
The latest Podcast from Blind Bargains discusses this topic.  The VFO 
grab and squash, (my spin) is the number one event of 2016 according 
to the panel members, and there is consensus that the merger, which is 
part of an industry wide contraction, may not be truly beneficial to 
end users.



Whilst people try and be optimistic, I feel that we can probably 
conclude that for Windows based screen readers, the future looks 
bleak.  An over-priced bloated product in JFW, a free  product in NVDA 
which won't find its place in employment settings, and a very good 
product, mid-priced, which is seeing its reputation being trashed by VFO.



Given that everyone here thinks Window-Eyes is the best, I cannot 
understand why it is not beginning to benefit from all the software 
development talent which VFO has acquired, along with the marketing 
reach of VFO.




Dave: thanks for the balanced opinion which you have given.



Vaughan.




On 1/30/2017 3:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years. When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Well, I've played with Narrator, even the one in the build 15002 of Windows, 
and, it has a long way to go to come close to even NVDA, System Access, Jaws or 
Window-Eyes.

I hope we still have a few choices, because, I would be very upset if Narrator 
was the only game in town.

The speech engines from Microsoft are about as responsive as an old serial 
synthesizer running at about 10 baud.  In short, they suck, as far as 
responsiveness is concerned.  Sure, they sound ok, but, they're falling short 
of the mark in everything else.

On the Mac platform, I was blown away by Alex's responsiveness.  Alex is a 
great voice, and, if you've never used a Mac, you just won't believe how 
responsive Alex is.  And, with the Mac even being faster, I imagine Alex is 
even more responsive.

Anyway, with all due respect, Microsoft would have a lot of catching up to do 
before they can even touch NVDA, let alone the paid screen-readers.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Stan Gowin via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Subject: Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing to 
the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several of the 
screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.

The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of Window 
Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper adaptive 
solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows Apple and 
improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with the expensive 
screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it won’t be just WE 
that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar screen reader will 
be untenable.

 
Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini   


> On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read 
> that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
> Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
> Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.  
> 
> I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
> same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
> not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes. 
> 
> BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When 
> that staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not 
> a Good Sign.
> 
> I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at 
> what is left of the old GW Micro.
> 
> Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I 
> Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
> New Company does with its new acquisitions.   
> 
> The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone 
> for good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow 
> their employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a 
> much smaller company might experience.
> 
> Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get 
> around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money 
> coming in.
> 
> I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update 
> was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.
> 
> I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace 
> than before.
> 
> There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
> makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
> Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources 
> to update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, 
> and make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.
> 
> Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending 
> change to come.
> 
> We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow 
> to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
> Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.  
> 
> And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash 
> into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't 
> something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other 
> choices.
> 
> All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window 
> Eyes lives on, Great!  And if

Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

The latest Podcast from Blind Bargains discusses this topic.  The VFO 
grab and squash, (my spin) is the number one event of 2016 according to 
the panel members, and there is consensus that the merger, which is part 
of an industry wide contraction, may not be truly beneficial to end users.



Whilst people try and be optimistic, I feel that we can probably 
conclude that for Windows based screen readers, the future looks bleak.  
An over-priced bloated product in JFW, a free  product in NVDA which 
won't find its place in employment settings, and a very good product, 
mid-priced, which is seeing its reputation being trashed by VFO.



Given that everyone here thinks Window-Eyes is the best, I cannot 
understand why it is not beginning to benefit from all the software 
development talent which VFO has acquired, along with the marketing 
reach of VFO.




Dave: thanks for the balanced opinion which you have given.



Vaughan.




On 1/30/2017 3:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Stan Gowin via Talk]

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing to 
the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several of the 
screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.

The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of Window 
Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper adaptive 
solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows Apple and 
improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with the expensive 
screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it won’t be just WE 
that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar screen reader will 
be untenable.

 
Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini   


> On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
> that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
> Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
> Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.  
> 
> I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
> same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
> not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes. 
> 
> BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When that
> staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
> Sign.  
> 
> I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
> what is left of the old GW Micro.  
> 
> Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
> Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
> New Company does with its new acquisitions.   
> 
> The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
> good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
> employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
> smaller company might experience.  
> 
> Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
> around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
> coming in.  
> 
> I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
> was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.  
> 
> I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
> than before.  
> 
> There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
> makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
> Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
> update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
> make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.  
> 
> Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
> change to come.  
> 
> We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
> to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue. 
> Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.  
> 
> And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
> into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
> something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
> choices.  
> 
> All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
> Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
> adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
> adjustments along the Path we all have walked.  
> 
> All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Don H via Talk]

Such a good subject line as the Shark is circling and circling around 
Window Eyes as we speak.

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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Jim via Talk]

Hi There!
I certainly do agree that the negativity should end, and yes, I do 
understand that folks have the right to say and write what they wish, 
but try using some common sense when you do write.  Until I here the 
official word from AiSquared that W.E. is no longer inproduction I will 
not believe Window-Eyes is dead.  And yes, they are still selling the 
SMAs and that doesn't sound as though they are dead in any way shape or 
form.  Have A Good 1! de

.>
SJW stands for social justice warrior.
I do believe the negativity needs to end here, because it's not 
helping anyone.  Until I hear further, Window-eyes, as a program at 
least, is still valid, it works well and in most cases, at least for 
my use case, does what it's supposed to.  If a program receives a 
patch update, despite people's assertions that the program is "dead", 
that means in my book that the program is still in active development.
I am a paying customer here just like anyone else.  i purchased my 
copy of Window-eyes using the LTO  program back in 2011, and if/when 
my  SMA count comes up for renewal, i'll purchase an upgrade. People 
can certainly say what they want, if people want to think Window-eyes 
is dead it's on them.
Has anyone looked in your about box for this latest version of 
Window-eyes?  Notice the address change,

Ai Squared
130 Taconic Business Park Road
Manchester Center, VT 05255
USA
802-362-3612
www.aisquared.com

Sounds like Ai squared, minus all the people we knew, is still active 
in some form or another.



On 1/29/2017 10:30 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:



What's an SJW?

Peace.
Linette



On 1/29/2017 8:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years. When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a 
Good

Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  
that

makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and 
resources to

update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make 
many

adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

SJW stands for social justice warrior.
I do believe the negativity needs to end here, because it's not helping 
anyone.  Until I hear further, Window-eyes, as a program at least, is 
still valid, it works well and in most cases, at least for my use case, 
does what it's supposed to.  If a program receives a patch update, 
despite people's assertions that the program is "dead", that means in my 
book that the program is still in active development.
I am a paying customer here just like anyone else.  i purchased my copy 
of Window-eyes using the LTO  program back in 2011, and if/when my  SMA 
count comes up for renewal, i'll purchase an upgrade. People can 
certainly say what they want, if people want to think Window-eyes is 
dead it's on them.
Has anyone looked in your about box for this latest version of 
Window-eyes?  Notice the address change,

Ai Squared
130 Taconic Business Park Road
Manchester Center, VT 05255
USA
802-362-3612
www.aisquared.com

Sounds like Ai squared, minus all the people we knew, is still active in 
some form or another.



On 1/29/2017 10:30 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:



What's an SJW?

Peace.
Linette



On 1/29/2017 8:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years. When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

What's an SJW?

Peace.
Linette



On 1/29/2017 8:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Dave via Talk]

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.  

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes. 

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a Good
Sign.  

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.  

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.   

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.  

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.  

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.  

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.  

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources to
update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.  

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.  

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue. 
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.  

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.  

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have walked.  

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.  

Grumpy Dave


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