Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - model aerodrome

2008-01-11 Thread Lester Caine
Robin Paulson wrote: this proposal has been languishing for 2+ months now, with little discussion http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Model%27s_Aerodrome please could i get some comments I've posted comments there but I think that we need to get a higher level

Re: [OSM-talk] How to photo fold-out maps

2008-01-11 Thread Lester Caine
Lars Aronsson wrote: I have an 1909 out-of-copyright book from the library. It has a fold-out map that is bound with the book, so I can't take it out. How do I hold the map flat to get a good photo? My current photos are not my proudest moment:

Re: [OSM-talk] How to photo fold-out maps

2008-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: For this map http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/index.php?page=British+Isles I ended up scanning each section and then tidying things up with paintshoppro. Yes, I'm taking that approach with the NPE scans at the moment - scan as is, then manually straighten. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - lake

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Collinson
At 03:46 AM 1/11/2008, Robin Paulson wrote: is there any reason why this proposal has so many opposers? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Lake it seems a logical one to me, we need to differentiate between lakes and rivers, canals, etc. Yes, probably logical if we

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Jo
80n wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 8:18 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: martin dodge wrote: Just found an interesting set of slides of a talk by Vanessa Lawrence, OS http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/presentations/

Re: [OSM-talk] administrative boundaries and is_in

2008-01-11 Thread Lukasz Stelmach
Martijn Verwijmeren wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:11:03 +0100 Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that as far as the administration and adminstrative boundaries are conserned, they do coincide. No, they don't. Reading the wikipedia stuff you linked: Kansas City is the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to photo fold-out maps

2008-01-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Jan 11, 2008 7:33 AM, Lars Aronsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an 1909 out-of-copyright book from the library. It has a fold-out map that is bound with the book, so I can't take it out. How do I hold the map flat to get a good photo? Another thing you might want to try is getting

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 11 Jan 2008, at 09:22, Nick Black wrote: We should catalogue the errors and send them back into the OS so they can do better next time. We can time how long it would take them to fix it. On Jan 11, 2008 8:47 AM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 8:18 AM, Richard Fairhurst

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - lake

2008-01-11 Thread Etric Celine
On Friday 11 January 2008 08:33:17 Michael Collinson wrote: Yes, probably logical if we started from scratch but today it exactly duplicates natural=water which is very, very widely used - 9421 times according to the Statistics link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:natural, though I

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.3 - shaded relief

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
Hi Igor, On 10 Jan 2008, at 22:46, Igor Brejc wrote: Hello everybody, Kosmos rendering engine has a new version (1.3). The main new feature is relief shading tool in Kosmos.Gui, which can automatically download and process SRTM3 data for a given map area. If you're interested, visit

[OSM-legal-talk] where we are, where we're going

2008-01-11 Thread Peter Miller
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:00:27 + From: Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The OSM licence: where we are, where we're and are, where we're going To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread J.D. Schmidt
Nick Black skrev: We should catalogue the errors and send them back into the OS so they can do better next time. Just send them a dump of the DB, and then look for a CC-by-SA OSM copyright notice on the OS Mastermap, sometime within the next 6 month. Dutch

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] where we are, where we're going

2008-01-11 Thread rob
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. Quoting Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not true. The licence upgrade clause in CC-BY-SA 2.0 states in clause b: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this

Re: [OSM-talk] administrative boundaries and is_in

2008-01-11 Thread Alex S.
Lukasz Stelmach wrote: Martijn Verwijmeren wrote: It is fairly common for larger cities and even small towns in the US to lie in more than one county. Do those cities have their own administration that cooperates with all the counties? The town of Bothell in Washington straddles the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 00:55, Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 00:09 +, martin dodge wrote: Hi, Just found an interesting set of slides of a talk by Vanessa Lawrence, OS http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/presentations/VL_why_place_matters.pdf with some prominent mentions for OSM. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 11 Jan 2008, at 11:21, David Earl wrote: On 11/01/2008 00:55, Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 00:09 +, martin dodge wrote: Hi, Just found an interesting set of slides of a talk by Vanessa Lawrence, OS http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/presentations/

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Martin Trautmann
In-Reply-To: !!AAAuAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-11 12:49, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: I've been surprised just how much extra data can be added just by taking a little time over each street and I've found a few features that really should have

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Lauri Hahne
On 11/01/2008, tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trust the identical free map made by a bunch of geeks with cheap GPS and where the reliability, data quality isn't clear, or by us, where we document and guarantee the quality. Who would you go for if you had a business? Openstreetmap brings new

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
David Earl wrote: Sent: 11 January 2008 11:22 AM To: Jon Burgess Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk On 11/01/2008 00:55, Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 00:09 +, martin dodge wrote: Hi, Just found an interesting

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code

2008-01-11 Thread Nick Black
I've edited the SOC page a bit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code A starting point is to establish which projects are proposed and who will volunteer to mentor them. It would be great now to get some of the routing guys, some of the server guys, some of the JOSM guys,

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 11:48, Artem Pavlenko wrote: Incidentally, this is exacerbated by the lazy rendering rule for Mapnik What do you mean by 'lazy' rule? AFAIK, all available hardware is working hard day an night :) I mean the way in which a tile isn't rendered until (after) it is looked at

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread tim
On Jan 11, 2008 7:48 AM, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What slide 46 is trying to convey is: we know about these amateurs over there, but our stuff is better. I think the main point of that slide is: these amateurs *will* are as good as us, but you can trust us more! Trust the identical free

Re: [OSM-talk] srtm2shp - Shapefiles from SRTM contours - new version

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
Hi Nick, I'm trying to generate some contours with srtm2shp but having problems feeding right args , any examples? Also, would you like to combine efforts to fix voids ? cheers Artem On 28 Dec 2007, at 15:18, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hello everyone, There is now a new version of the srtm2shp

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 12:49, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: (incidentally the name finder came in for some flak due to its data not matching the map content - we need to be careful there too). Indeed, it is embarrassingly out of date now, but I just don't have the necessary hardware to process the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Lambertus
Artem Pavlenko wrote: Marking 'dirty' areas by processing planet diff sounds reasonable but we only generate diffs weekly, afaik. My understanding is that generating planet and planet diffs takes very long time at the moment which brings us back to the eternal quest of improving main DB.

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 11 Jan 2008, at 13:09, David Earl wrote: On 11/01/2008 13:00, Artem Pavlenko wrote: (a) Mapnik works on planet, yes? No, it works on postgis db which is populated with osm2pgsql from planet. Yes, I know that. I meant that it is coming from planet, not directly derived from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Stephen Coast
oh and while we're pointing out mistakes, roads around the US embassy have been closed for going on 10 years (slide 19). On 11 Jan 2008, at 16:51, Stephen Coast wrote: On 11 Jan 2008, at 04:39, J.D. Schmidt wrote: Jon Burgess skrev: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 00:09 +, martin dodge wrote:

[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql.exe

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
Hello windows users, osm2pgsql.exe has arrived : http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/ osm2pgsql_latest.exe.zip Enjoy! Artem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Osmosis UTF-8 problem (again)

2008-01-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
Looks like there's an issue with UTF-8 characters in the username. Line 42117 of daily-20080109-20080110.osc is an example (node 32268361). Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 11 Jan 2008, at 13:35, Lambertus wrote: Artem Pavlenko wrote: Marking 'dirty' areas by processing planet diff sounds reasonable but we only generate diffs weekly, afaik. My understanding is that generating planet and planet diffs takes very long time at the moment which brings us

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread Nick Black
On Jan 11, 2008 11:58 AM, Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The presentation by the CEO of the OS shows that she takes OSM *very* seriously, perhaps even seriously enough to show our work in a bad light. If I was the CEO of a large mapping company and I took OSM seriously I would either by

Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from OSM data

2008-01-11 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, update: http://christeck.de/POIs/ Cheers, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis UTF-8 problem (again)

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/01/2008, Brett Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Looks like there's an issue with UTF-8 characters in the username. Line 42117 of daily-20080109-20080110.osc is an example (node 32268361). Have a nice day, Any idea what the user name should be? I

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis UTF-8 problem (again)

2008-01-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Any idea what the user name should be? I find it hard to believe that user=jos??¯® (from the API) is correct. Well on 05 December I did have a problem with the planet diff, quoting from old E-Mail: latest daily planet diff has an UTF-8 problem on line 58267: node id=25254929

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis UTF-8 problem (again)

2008-01-11 Thread Brett Henderson
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Any idea what the user name should be? I find it hard to believe that user=jos??¯® (from the API) is correct. Well on 05 December I did have a problem with the planet diff, quoting from old E-Mail: latest daily planet diff has an UTF-8

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tileserver op Nederkaartblog

2008-01-11 Thread Foppe Benedictus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sander Hoentjen schreef: | Ik was van plan ook zondag te komen, met nog iemand van JR Online, nu | komt het ons beide helaas erg slecht uit. | De keer dat ik Met Raoul van JR Online in Amsterdam ben geweest is er | eigenlijk afgesproken dat JR Online

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tileserver op Nederkaartblog

2008-01-11 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 09:05 +0100, Foppe Benedictus wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sander Hoentjen schreef: | Ik was van plan ook zondag te komen, met nog iemand van JR Online, nu | komt het ons beide helaas erg slecht uit. | De keer dat ik Met Raoul van JR Online in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] tileserver

2008-01-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
Er is iets mis gegaan met de daily updates op hypercube, het zal over een dag of twee weer goed zijn als het goed is Mvg, 2008/1/11 Peter Peterse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo Martijn, ik was de tileserver aan het bewonderen. Helemaal in mijn nopjes dat alles weer bij gewerkt was. Kom ik in

[OSM-talk-nl] GeoNovum metadatastandaarden en geo-informatie

2008-01-11 Thread Bas de Lange
Beste Talk'ers, http://www.livre.nl/content/view/1576/1/ -- Met vriendelijke groet, Bas de Lange! ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [Talk-de] Erste Test-Daten von OpenGeoDB

2008-01-11 Thread Martin Trautmann
Gernot Hillier wrote: Hat denn jemand besondere Wünsche, welches Bundesland besonders interessant wäre? aus persönlichem Interesse würde ich NRW vorschlagen. Zmal es ja acuh bevölkerungstechnisch am ergiebigsten ist. Und ich hätte natürlich gerne Bayern. Bzw. Niederbayern. Bzw.

Re: [Talk-de] Duplicated Nodes und wie man sie los wird

2008-01-11 Thread Raphael Studer
Verhindert die API nicht, dass auf einer Strasse 2 Nodes am selben Ort sind? Dass man während dem einfügen nicht prüfen kann ob 2 Nodes am selben Ort sind glaub ich. Aber dass man das bei einer Strasse tut glaub ich eher. Zudem müsst dann ja jemand diese Strasse so hochgeladen haben

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestellen werden verchoben

2008-01-11 Thread Patzi
Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Bushaltestellen seltsamerweise 10-20 Pixel (bei max. zoom) nach links verschoben werden. Ist das normal? Bei den gerenderten Karten oder ist auch der Node verschoben, wenn du ihn dir wieder im Editor ansiehst? ___

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestellen werden verchoben

2008-01-11 Thread Toni Erdmann
Patzi schrieb: Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Bushaltestellen seltsamerweise 10-20 Pixel (bei max. zoom) nach links verschoben werden. Ist das normal? Bei den gerenderten Karten oder ist auch der Node verschoben, wenn du ihn dir wieder im Editor ansiehst? Ich denke, es ist das Icon selbst,

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestellen werden verchoben

2008-01-11 Thread André Reichelt
Patzi schrieb: Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Bushaltestellen seltsamerweise 10-20 Pixel (bei max. zoom) nach links verschoben werden. Ist das normal? Bei den gerenderten Karten oder ist auch der Node verschoben, wenn du ihn dir wieder im Editor ansiehst? Gute Frage... Ich glaube, nur

Re: [Talk-de] landuse =farm fXr ganze Felder/Wiesen, Unsinn?

2008-01-11 Thread Karl Eichwalder
viel spannender als die info ob wood oder forrest fänd ich übrigens eine genauere Spezifizierungsmöglichkeit z.B. nach Laub, Nadel oder Mischwäldern. Das kann man wenigstens auch Vorort optisch erfassen und später auch zur Orientierung nutzen. Gibts da schon ein Proposal zu? Gute idee :-)

Re: [Talk-de] Bushaltestellen werden verchoben

2008-01-11 Thread André Reichelt
Toni Erdmann schrieb: Patzi schrieb: Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Bushaltestellen seltsamerweise 10-20 Pixel (bei max. zoom) nach links verschoben werden. Ist das normal? Bei den gerenderten Karten oder ist auch der Node verschoben, wenn du ihn dir wieder im Editor ansiehst?

Re: [Talk-de] Duplicated Nodes und wie man sie los wird

2008-01-11 Thread Christoph Eckert
Moin, Man koennte es tun, aber es ist nicht eingebaut. Ich halte es fuer sehr wahrscheinlich, dass ein dahingehender Patch akzeptiert werden wuerde. Man muesste vorher avtl. allerdings nachdenken, ob das wirklich fuer jede Art von Way eine sinnvolle Beschraenkung ist und nicht nur fuer

Re: [Talk-de] Duplicated Nodes und wie man sie los wird

2008-01-11 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Ich habe dort vermieden, die Nodes genau übereinanderzulegen, weil es sonst im Editor schwierig zu handhaben ist. Will man ein Parkhaus aber wegetechnisch korrekt abbilden, braucht man Nodes, die übereinanderliegen. Davon ab, finde ich u-bahn-stationen viel interessanter :)

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2008 CFP

2008-01-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Die FOSSGIS 2008 wird vom 1.-3. April 2008 an der Albert-Ludwigs-Universität Freiburg stattfinden. [...] Auf der FOSSGIS 2007 in Berlin hat Jochen einen interessanten Vortrag gehalten. http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Abstracts07#Openstreetmap-Projekt Jochen und ich haben da

Re: [Talk-de] Duplicated Nodes und wie man sie los wird

2008-01-11 Thread Raphael Studer
Man koennte es tun, aber es ist nicht eingebaut. Ich halte es fuer sehr wahrscheinlich, dass ein dahingehender Patch akzeptiert werden wuerde. Man muesste vorher avtl. allerdings nachdenken, ob das wirklich fuer jede Art von Way eine sinnvolle Beschraenkung ist und nicht nur fuer

Re: [Talk-de] POIs aus OSM-Daten

2008-01-11 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, Update: http://christeck.de/POIs/ Schönes (Mapping- :)wochenende, ce ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-cz] Generovanie czechia.osm

2008-01-11 Thread Jozef Hovan
Ahojte, mam len taky malicky postreh: nejako sa vam pokazilo generovanie czechia.osm na http://kubajz.kbx.cz/junk/osm/ . Jozef This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Re: [Talk-GB] Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Higgy
I may do (weather, carriage of bike on train and money permitting). I want to do more of Shrewsbury sometime, probably during March. Anyone up for that? Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hello all, I fancy going to map Worcester on Saturday 23rd Feb. Anyone else up for it?

[Talk-GB] Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hello all, I fancy going to map Worcester on Saturday 23rd Feb. Anyone else up for it? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Worcester http://www.openstreetmap.org/? lat=52.1895lon=-2.2237zoom=13layers=B0FT (lovely place, one of Britain's smaller cities, mainline trains from London and

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Stephen Coast
On 11 Jan 2008, at 22:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I would go on talk-de but I wouldn't understand anything :-( PS How will we get Scotland finished? a. During the German summer holidays, set up a booth at the Newcastle ferry terminal and issue a GPS to each of them pouring out of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, PS How will we get Scotland finished? a. During the German summer holidays, set up a booth at the Newcastle ferry terminal and issue a GPS to each of them pouring out of the ferry and heading North ;-) b. Hold SOTM '08 at Inverness. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we do it again this summer? We'll hire one or more cottages in central Wales, say, as a jumping off point. Main mapping weekend but people welcome to stay the week. So * Where: mid wales * When: er...

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Coast wrote: | On 11 Jan 2008, at 22:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: | | Hi, | | I would go on talk-de but I wouldn't understand anything :-( | | PS How will we get Scotland finished? | a. | | During the German summer holidays, set up a booth at the

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Higgy
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: I would be interested in a North Wales mapping party as I have relatives ~ who I could stay with. For accommodation the riding centre where I used to work has some great facilities. Only thing is location could make things more difficult for those without cars.