Hi,
Melchior Moos has done an OSM public transport map for Germany:
http://81.89.97.206/oepv.html
Just map, no routing.
Bye
Frederik
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On Wednesday 17 Dec 2008 11:19:44 am Nathan Mixter wrote:
> Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently
> buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or
> major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is
> on top this w
Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently
buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major
road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top
this won't happen.
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 23:30, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be
> great if there was some online routing application that I could go to
> that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with
> sufficient survey informati
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM, maning sambale
wrote:
>> Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6?
Err what I mean here is the person (a mapper) not ITO's service
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> Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6?
May I request the coders (I'm a mapper not a coder ;). To give us an
overview of what will the API 0.6 will be all about?
I know it's written in detail here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6
But see the text above in parenthesis.
What wou
I feel really silly for having missed this thread earlier. It's a
corker, with a real live BAN POTLATCH!!! and everything.
People who'd like to test osm2go out on the desktop (and, ahem, like to
build things from source, and are running a recent Debian-based system)
might like to try out:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> wrote:
>
> I forgot to ask, do you have a public repository for osm2go or do you
> only make release tarballs?
Ævar, hi --
Current development is focusing on the Maemo "garage" svn repository:
https
On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:16, Peter Miller wrote:
>
> On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan
>> wrote:
>>> Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the "Disable TextArea
>>> Finally" campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistak
I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be
great if there was some online routing application that I could go to
that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with
sufficient survey information to do this, which would be part of
mapping it obviously.
Routin
Gert Gremmen schrieb:
> Anyone shouted BAN POTLATCH!!!1111!! or similar ???
>
> I politely said without shouting:
>
> " Disable Potlatch finally. "
>
> No exclamation marks, no capitals.
>
But your demand is not polite! It is perceived as you demanding to
forcibly remove anyone from the c
I'm not sure if I'm meant to take offence at having my post referenced here (and I'm not sure if I'm condemned to be a "newbie" for the rest of my life because I use potlatch)...
The irony in this whole thing is that I played with JOSM for a bit, mostly because I knew it could do one thing I was
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Peter Miller wrote:
> Please excuse the self promotion, but OSM Mapper
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Mapper) does currently allow
> one to monitor for changes to ways in a watched area which you can then
> monitor using RSS.
Yes and it's a very us
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan wrote:
>
>> Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the "Disable TextArea
>> Finally" campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when
>> editing pages. I'm glad I don't have to download a java program in
>
On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan
> wrote:
>> Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the "Disable TextArea
>> Finally" campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when
>> editing pages. I'm glad I don't have to dow
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs
>> wrote:
>>> 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen w
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs
> wrote:
>> 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
>>> wrote:
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
> If a tool has serious problems
> it needs som
2008/12/16 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio :
> Hi,
> Potlatch is as old as OSM, no?
> If it was that bad, the Google-OSM comparison presented some days ago would
> not be possible
> :-)
>
> Lucas
It isn't as old as OSM, I believe there was a Java applet before it.
When I first registered for OSM, I tri
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan wrote:
> Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the "Disable TextArea
> Finally" campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when
> editing pages. I'm glad I don't have to download a java program in
> order to fix typos :-P
Wikipedia has watc
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
If a tool has serious problems
it needs someone pointing at it.
>>>
>>> point out the
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:18 PM, David Earl wrote:
> On 16/12/2008 15:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> Magically giving JOSM to newbies doesn't stop them making mistakes. It just
>> means they make mistakes with JOSM rather than with Potlatch.
>
> That is indeed true.
>
> However, what makes Potlat
Hi,
Potlatch is as old as OSM, no?
If it was that bad, the Google-OSM comparison presented some days ago would not
be possible
:-)
Lucas
De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Gert Gremmen
Enviado el: mar 16/12/2008 17:08
Para: Dave Stubbs; Steven Le
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Gert Gremmen wrote:
> Most of POTLATCH problems are clearly caused by:
>
> - not understanding POTLATCH and how it works
> - Not understanding OSM at all.
Most of the Potlatch complaints are clearly caused by:
Cheers,
Andy
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On 16/12/2008 15:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Magically giving JOSM to newbies doesn't stop them making mistakes. It just
> means they make mistakes with JOSM rather than with Potlatch.
That is indeed true.
However, what makes Potlatch particularly susceptible to people making
mistakes is the
Anyone shouted BAN POTLATCH!!!1111!! or similar ???
I politely said without shouting:
" Disable Potlatch finally. "
No exclamation marks, no capitals.
I still support my plead, but I will
wait with my final judgement for my POTLATCH experiences with API
0.6...
Although that won't fix the
Sorry for the multiple posts:
This clause in the license is interesting:
2.6 Copyright
The Municipality grants a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to
the Licensee to use the Data located at the Licensee's address stated
above. The Municipality retains the copyright of all data, as well as
Steven Le Roux wrote:
> Why not prefering to consider other solutions ? Why not downloading
> josm as a java web start app and give in the link the bbox from the
> browser ?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2008-December/001204.html
is why.
Magically giving JOSM to newbies does
I found their agreement here:
http://citymaps.durban.gov.za/license_agreement.htm
Perhaps that helps others here with their advice.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Grant Slater
wrote:
> Legal,
>
> On behalf of OpenStreetMap I asked a large city council (Durban, South
> Africa) for permission us
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
>> If a tool has serious problems
>> it needs someone pointing at it.
>
> point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the
> public face of OSM and the biggest
I would ask what their license is on this data (if there is one), or
if it is in the public domain. Perhaps explain that the project would
allow others to use the data as well.
This sounds like a great idea. I might try this in Cape Town. Let me
know how this turns out.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux :
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
>>> If a tool has serious problems
>>> it needs someone pointing at it.
>>
>> point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the
>>
"Gert Gremmen" wrote:
> I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
> Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads,
> star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters
> and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors.
I would'nt say that Potlatch is all bad, 7% of what have been mapped
Legal,
On behalf of OpenStreetMap I asked a large city council (Durban, South
Africa) for permission use their online mapping website to find the
official names for roads and features we are missing. I also asked for
permission (expecting to be denied) to use the shapefiles on their
public FTP
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
>> If a tool has serious problems
>> it needs someone pointing at it.
>
> point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the
> public face of OSM and the biggest
sorry for crossposting:
The following is the official "Call for Paper" announcement for the german
speaking FOSSGIS conference (NOT FOSS4G
!!!), which will take place in Hannover, 17.-19. of March 2009. Sorry for
german language only but everybody is invited to join the
conference.
Get more
Hi Y'all,
> I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
Everyone else has already spoken well regarding potlatch - I would only
add that the attractiveness of OSM as a data source for my project comes
at least partly from having such a _low_ barrier of entry to improving
the data...if a user sees
Hiya Gerd.
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> "Well, if you have an alternative online solution to share with us I'm
> sure you will find plenty of willing testers."
>
> In other words:
> If you do not code: shutup !!
That is a gross misinterpretation I think. And some short sighted assuptions
from others.
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote:
> If a tool has serious problems
> it needs someone pointing at it.
point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the
public face of OSM and the biggest converter of bystanders into mappers. And
for me it is a blessing
Gert Gremmen quoted me saying:
>> Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say.
and then answered:
> In other words:
> If you do not code: shutup !!
which is odd, because if you'd actually read my next sentence, you'd have
seen (emphasis added)
>> Except that:
>> If you rea
"Why not disable OSM altogether, that would get rid of all those silly
edits."
"Well, if you have an alternative online solution to share with us I'm
sure you will find plenty of willing testers."
Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say.
In other words:
If you do not code
Ed Loach wrote:
> It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always
> do it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when I
> switch from one tab to the wiki tab and back that the way
> looks like it is still selected but in reality the flash bit
> doesn't have focus.
Ri
On Tue, December 16, 2008 11:36, Gert Gremmen wrote:
> Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads,
> star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters
> and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors.
Aaahhh... gratuitous statistics. Got to love those.
In order for me to stick to
Richard asked:
> Ugh, that's horrid. What browser are you using? Other parts of
> the window
> shouldn't respond to keyboard events when an SWF (like
> Potlatch) has focus.
It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always do
it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when
D Tucny wrote:
> I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view
> a list of changes that would be uploaded prior to upload...
Yep, see previous message about the only reason that not being an option is
that I haven't worked out a UI for it. :)
> One thing though that I don'
2008/12/16 Gert Gremmen
> - upload only on request, not after each and every
> mouse click
I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view a list of
changes that would be uploaded prior to upload... Though I'm sure others
would feel the opposite... Most of the 'potlatch erro
Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say.
Except that:
If you really wanted to help - even if you can't or won't code - you would
have submitted some trac tickets with suggestions, as many other people have
done. You would have attempted to understand before condemning.
Gr
Hi,
> Define trivial.
I can just speak for myself and it took me some minutes to be able to
do anything useful in josm. Potlatch on the other hand gave me very
nice and intuitive first few minutes, but i went in trouble once i
tried to map things.
Don't get me wrong: I am really not saying "al
Gert Gremmen wrote:
>Sent: 16 December 2008 10:37 AM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.
>
>
>I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
>Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads,
>star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters
>and worse a
> I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
-1
Improve potlatch
+1
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Hi,
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
Why not disable OSM altogether, that would get rid of all those silly edits.
> If the community wants to keep potlatch, it MUST
> be changed in
I'm pre-empting Richard's response here but I'm sure he will say:
Patches welcome!
I want to plead for disabling Potlatch.
Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads,
star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters
and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors.
The slowness of Flash on most computers, leads to
mouse lagging and positional errors, wanted or unw
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Richard Fairhurst
wrote:
>
> Ed Loach wrote:
>> I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from
>> map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing,
>> but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab
>> open for the wiki page to ke
Ed Loach wrote:
> I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from
> map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing,
> but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab
> open for the wiki page to keyboard shortcuts
Once people have stopped ing around with t
Ed Loach wrote:
> I find it annoying that sometimes I press Enter to stop
> editing a way, only for it to decide that I've clicked a link to
> take me elsewhere (user page, usually, I think) and I have
> to go back and repeat the last few edits.
Ugh, that's horrid. What browser are you using? Ot
Robert Vollmert wrote:
> With API 0.6, we'll notice when this happens, right?
Yeah, kind of - there'll be some form of conflict dialogue though with no
way to resolve it as yet, short of reloading the area. I don't really think
the API 0.6 people were thinking of Potlatch when they decided on th
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 3:15:35 pm Robert Vollmert wrote:
> By the way, has anyone successfully disabled the Potlatch welcome
> dialog?
ahh - thought it was some glitch in my firefox.
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Hi Richard,
please don't mistake me for one of the German Potlatch haters. I
rather like it, and acknowledge the great work you've done. But:
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:24, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> management. Conflict management isn't really an issue when you're
> redownloading from the server e
> JOSM imho isn't trivial for beginners. That may be where osm2go
> can help
> on the desktop.
Define trivial.
I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from map view
to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing, but once you've
done that I still need to have an extra tab open f
Till Harbaum wrote:
> The big show stopper with potlatch was that everything
> is stored in the database immediately, so you are always
> afraid to damage things.
Of course, patches are always welcome. :)
The sole reason Potlatch doesn't have such an (optional) feature right now
is that I haven
Hi,
Von: Ãvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> * The toolbar items don't have any tooltips - I've attached a patch
> that fixes this which you may or may not want to use as-is
Great, thanks. I applied it and it'll be part of the next release
> * When I select a way and try to add a node to a way I can't a
Here you go:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go
Till
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Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Gesendet: Di, 16. Dez 2008
Von: Ãvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> wrote:
>
> I forgot
Hi,
> I had already planned to try osm2go on my eee (4G), where I try to use
> josm, but the screen resolution is problematic; a debian package would
> make me go from "sooner or later" to "right now" :)
Would you be able to compile osm2go for the eee and give it a trial?
Till
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Hi,
- original Nachricht
> value. If you can manage to do both then do it, but I believe that if
> you aim too much at large-screen users then you may get all sorts of
> feature requests from that area which actually make the application
> worse (or, at least, more clumsy) for the
Hi,
i am afraid i don't get the relationship of your question with osm2go. Do
you want to achieve this using osm2go?
Till
- original Nachricht
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Gesendet: Di, 16. Dez 2008
Von: Andre Schoonbee
> Hi List
>
> I have a basic
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