[Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Loach
I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)? In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast, inland, then back

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Loach
Thanks Roger, If they're PlusBus zones, then Clacton railway station lies outside the Clacton zone as it currently stands, and while Harwich International (formerly Harwich Parkeston Quay) is probably a boundary point for the Harwich zone (though the railway station as marked in OSM seems to be

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Aug 2009, at 10:08, Ed Loach wrote: Thanks Roger, If they're PlusBus zones, then Clacton railway station lies outside the Clacton zone as it currently stands, and while Harwich International (formerly Harwich Parkeston Quay) is probably a boundary point for the Harwich zone (though

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Loach
I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else will do that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit related wiki pages on when I have time). I might do a page Tag:public_transport=pay_scale_area and divert PlusBus to that? Google reveals these areas were

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-07 Thread Christoph Böhme
Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Would it be sensible to create a PlusBus page on the wiki, and link to it from the NaPTAN user in relation to the upload? The Wiki page can describe what the features are about and can also be used to list issues that need to be resolved. I am

Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the same thing?

2009-08-07 Thread Christoph Böhme
Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Which leads to a question of terminology... Is 'transit' a synonym for 'public transport'? or not. If not then what is the difference? As a non-native speaker of english I find it easier to guess what 'public transport' means compared to

Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the samething?

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Aug 2009, at 17:07, Christoph Böhme wrote: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Which leads to a question of terminology... Is 'transit' a synonym for 'public transport'? or not. If not then what is the difference? As a non-native speaker of english I find it easier to

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Collinson
The dilemma for for us at the main OSM Foundation is that by setting up local chapters, our main reliable source of funding, the annual subscriptions that members pay, may no longer come in directly. Much of that money is spent on computer hardware to keep our sites up, and a proportion on

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Collinson
At 02:06 AM 7/08/2009, maning sambale wrote: 3. Local contributors have overtaken Mike Collinson's contributions. Hehehe. I think Mike would love that to happen. Although 95% of total ways and nodes are from the top 20 contributors. I think 80-20 would be ideal. Yeah! No worries here! The

Re: [Talk-si] meje in zakoni]

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan Baebler
V svojem odgovoru je GURS zapisal V brezplačne in nepridobitniške namene dovoljujemo uporabo podatkov OSM fundacija je res neprofitna ustanova, OSM projekt sam po sebi ni profitno naravnan, posamezniki, ki bi te podatke pripravili in uvozili s tem ne služimo. ...ampak... Licenca OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:12 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: maxspeed:school_zone=hh:mm-hh:mm[,hh:mm-hh:mm];speed This explains what the restriction is, school zone, the times it is in effect and the reduced speed all in one line. That is much better than the current proposal

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
But there is an obvious problem: you may want two values for the same key, e.g. maxspeed:weather = wet;80 and maxspeed:weather = snow;30 I'm guessing this is not OK? Actually. won't this often be a You would have to have some sophisticated routing software to know weather in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: It's going to get very messy very quickly if you are trying to shoe horn general time limits in with school zones, but you could do: maxspeed=80 maxspeed:time_1=school;07:00-09:00,14:30-15:30;mon-fri;40

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the _1 and _2, but I guess you're saying that's the only I didn't come up with it, it's already being used for other similar things where the same tag appears multiple times.

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 31 July 2009 17:25:19 Richard Mann wrote: I saw some strange rendering effects when a side road was straight onto a bridge. The bridge was layer=1, so the side road was rendered on top of the main road. That's why all the ways approaching a junction should be on the same layer. You

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ...

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Harris
Agree. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 July 2009 02:51 To: Tyler Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ... 2009/7/20 Tyler tyler.ritc...@gmail.com: What

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ...

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Harris
Prefer Landuse=forestry (not 'forest') and natural=woodland; maybe also a tag for the administrative areas such as US National Forests. Then other tags can take care of the detail. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: David Lynch [mailto:djly...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 July 2009 19:10 To:

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Harris
Not only on Arizona ... In the UK a 'forest' was originally a hunting area, often owned by the king or a duke etc. who had exclusive hunting rights. The presence or absence of trees was incidental. Some of this terminology survives e.g. in the 'New Forest' in Hampshire where there is a wooded area

Re: [OSM-talk] Copyright of Logo?

2009-08-07 Thread Nic Roets
Hi, I think the logo is under a CC license, BUT you should be more concerned about using an OSMF trademark and there is a whole separate set of laws for that. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trademark#OpenStreetMap_logo_.28UK.29 Fortunately OSMF is quite relaxed about the trademark issue: If

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline

2009-08-07 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Am Samstag, den 01.08.2009, 22:45 +0200 schrieb Martijn van Oosterhout: It's still on hypercube and it's not super fast, but it does appear to work. Let me know if you see something odd. It seems that there is a problem with very small islands. They are reported as buggy even if they seem to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Nationnal websites

2009-08-07 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:11:07PM +0200, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: On Monday 03 August 2009 20:09:23 SLXViper wrote: www.openstreetmap.is and osm.is weren't mentioned as far as I could see. Both redirect to the normal openstreetmap.org domain. I added them to the list I also created a wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline

2009-08-07 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Andre Hinrichsandre.hinri...@gmx.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 01.08.2009, 22:45 +0200 schrieb Martijn van Oosterhout: It's still on hypercube and it's not super fast, but it does appear to work. Let me know if you see something odd. It seems that there is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Lambert Carstenlhc@solcon.nl wrote: In any case, PLEASE let us get rid of this 'rule' that a T-junction has to be on the same layer. +1 Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Marc Schütz
On Friday 31 July 2009 17:25:19 Richard Mann wrote: I saw some strange rendering effects when a side road was straight onto a bridge. The bridge was layer=1, so the side road was rendered on top of the main road. That's why all the ways approaching a junction should be on the same

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Marc Schütz
problem if you insist on not putting values in the key? How would you say maxspeed is 40 between 7am-9am, 60 between 4pm-7pm, and 80 otherwise? It's going to get very messy very quickly if you are trying to shoe horn general time limits in with school zones But that's the point! We

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Marc Schütz
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:55:05 + (GMT) Von: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com An: m...@koppenhoefer.com, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email) --- On

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: But that's the point! We need a way of modelling more complex cases anyway, so why do you want to special case school zones? School zones are a special case because they don't operate all year round, and you need to store school terms

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
Keepright appears to think that bridges without a layer tag imply layer=1. Whereas I'd assumed in my tagging that layer=0 unless stated. Is this to match what renderers do? I would rather they didn't, because making the waterways layer=-1 seems to work most of the time, and I'd prefer to avoid

[OSM-talk] Electronics City mini mapping party, Bangalore - 09/09/09

2009-08-07 Thread Pradeep B V
Hi, Its time for a mini mapping party in Electronics city in South Bangalore. Its planned as half day event on 09/09/09 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Electronics_City_Mini_Mapping_Party_August_2009 Please join in if you are around and have some time. Regards, Pradeep B V

Re: [OSM-talk] Electronics City mini mapping party, Bangalore - 09/09/09

2009-08-07 Thread Liz
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Pradeep B V wrote: Its planned as half day event on 09/09/09 09/08/09 my style of dates 08/09/09 US style of dates ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Marc Schütz
But that's the point! We need a way of modelling more complex cases anyway, so why do you want to special case school zones? School zones are a special case because they don't operate all year round, and you need to store school terms in addition so you can calculate if the school zone

Re: [OSM-talk] Electronics City mini mapping party, Bangalore - 09/09/09

2009-08-07 Thread Pradeep B V
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Pradeep B V wrote: Its planned as half day event on 09/09/09 09/08/09 my style of dates 08/09/09 US style of dates Oops... my mistake. Its 09/Aug/2009 and not 09/Sep/09 as the subject made it out to be.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch vs JOSM

2009-08-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Talking with my friends in Kosovo the laptops are underpowered and hang using JOSM the laptops are underpowered and hang using the browser and hence Potlatch the power supply is completely intermitttent the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: Let me rephrase the question: if it is possible to devise a tagging scheme that is able to model all relevant restrictions we encounter in reality including school zones (and I believe it is possible), why do you still want a seperate

[OSM-talk] Comment on the Opengeodata website

2009-08-07 Thread Mike Ryan
Hi Not really sure if this is the right place to ask, but I wanted to leave a comment on the Opengeodata.org website and you need to login first. However, there's nowhere listed to register. Does anyone know how to do this on there? Cheers Mike ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Comment on the Opengeodata website

2009-08-07 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Mike Ryan wrote: Hi Not really sure if this is the right place to ask, but I wanted to leave a comment on the Opengeodata.org website and you need to login first. However, there's nowhere listed to register. Does anyone know how to do this on there? I appears to be disabled at the moment.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch vs JOSM

2009-08-07 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 7 Aug 2009, at 12:46, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Talking with my friends in Kosovo the laptops are underpowered and hang using JOSM the laptops are underpowered and hang using the browser and hence Potlatch the

[OSM-legal-talk] Foundation trademark

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Weait
I am pleased to note that the assignment of the OSM logo to the Foundation is published as of 31 July 2009 on the IPO/UK site. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 Congratulations! I see that the European trademark # 7366859, OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] Korea users

2009-08-07 Thread Igor Brejc
What's even more interesting is that even North Korea isn't completely blank: http://osm.org/go/55eX1@ Regards, Igor On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jeffrey Martin dogs...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed a lot of new data on Korea. Who is working on Korea and is there a separate email list?

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch vs JOSM

2009-08-07 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: I don't think that we have enough streets mapped yet to make walking papers useful in kosovo I guess it also needs a scanner available to rescan the maps You don't need to rescan them, as you can just use

[OSM-talk] Google Streetview Competitor supports Openstreetmap

2009-08-07 Thread SB79
Hi, I don't know whether anybody has already written about this here (I did a quick search but couldn't find anything related). So here for those who are interested: In July there was an announcement on the german mailing list that a Google-Streetview competitor allows openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 07 August 2009 12:29:09 Marc Schütz wrote: On Friday 31 July 2009 17:25:19 Richard Mann wrote: I saw some strange rendering effects when a side road was straight onto a bridge. The bridge was layer=1, so the side road was rendered on top of the main road. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ...

2009-08-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Prefer Landuse=forestry (not 'forest') and natural=woodland; maybe also a tag for the administrative areas such as US National Forests. Then other tags can take care of the detail. some US National forests are nearly tree free. We

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Lars Aronsson
John Smith wrote: For general time based restrictions you can still do it in one line if you must, without needing to parse variable information in the key section: maxspeed:time=12:00-23:59;tu,th;50 hh:mm-hh:mm;[dd,dd,dd|dd-dd];speed The second sign in this page

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Richard Mannrichard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: As indicated, I've had a go at a rewrite of the unclassified page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified I've added my thoughts to the

[OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Kev
*Hi All, I've been out gathering some more GPS traces to map unmapped parts of Nottinghamshire and have come across a few barriers which are signed Emergency Access Only These are basically raised sections of pavement put across the road the prevent people driving round them, but which allow

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: By the way, the outcome of this discussion could well be applicable to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags i.e., what we have so far for school_zone could be generalised to: +1, if we find

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/7 Kev o...@kevswindells.eu: *Hi All, I've been out gathering some more GPS traces to map unmapped parts of Nottinghamshire and have come across a few barriers which are signed Emergency Access Only For the time being I have tagged the one I came across as highway=footway  (by

[OSM-talk] Parking and Access

2009-08-07 Thread Kev
Hi All, While trying (and failing miserably) to find a parking space in Birmingham (UK) the other day (terrible sign age - talk about leaving it to the last minute - AND to top it all I must have parked in the one multi-story not already mapped on OSM in Brimingham) it got me thinking about

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Kev
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/7 Kev o...@kevswindells.eu: *Hi All, I've been out gathering some more GPS traces to map unmapped parts of Nottinghamshire and have come across a few barriers which are signed Emergency Access Only For the time being I have tagged the one I came across

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread David Earl
Kev wrote: Presumably in this case highway=residential access=emergency; foot; bicycle I wouldn't want to cycle over the surface your quoted picture showed! It doesn't say emergency access except cycles and it would be an offence to cycle through on the footway. OTOH, since it doesn't use

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Kev o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: Presumably in this case highway=residential access=emergency; foot; bicycle barrier=entrance access=emergency bicycle=yes foot=yes on a node might be better Richard ___ talk mailing

[OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread OJ W
sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway (probably footpaths if it's at all complicated, since the paths can make detours

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Richard Mann wrote: barrier=entrance access=emergency bicycle=yes foot=yes on a node might be better access=emergency? According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access, emergency is a transport mode key, so it should be access=no + emergency=yes (I don't think *=emergency is

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
Um, since the footway in question might reasonably be construed not to be adjacent to a roadway, I'm not 100% convinced it'd actually be illegal to cycle on it. But I'd leave it to local judgement whether it was regarded as acceptable to cycle there. Richard On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David

[OSM-talk] POI [DISTANCE: ]

2009-08-07 Thread ad...@ticino.com
I have a question concerning POI's. How should i handel POI's reporting this information DISTANCE: 518043.59 m, DISTANCE: 517980.06 m etc. etc. (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=46.32lon=9.4203zoom=14) Should I remove this POI's ? Thank you Alex

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway If it's

Re: [OSM-talk] POI [DISTANCE: ]

2009-08-07 Thread Maarten Deen
ad...@ticino.com wrote: I have a question concerning POI's. How should i handel POI's reporting this information DISTANCE: 518043.59 m, DISTANCE: 517980.06 m etc. etc. (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=46.32lon=9.4203zoom=14) Should I remove this POI's ? I'd first ask the creator

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Liz
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, OJ W wrote: sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes? are you thinking of a paved section intended for walking, or just the space which here could be grass, rough

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/7 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes? IMHO generally it would be better to have all those things (like lanes) mapped separatly, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency Access Only - How to tag?

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/7 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Richard Mann wrote: barrier=entrance access=emergency bicycle=yes foot=yes on a node might be better access=emergency? According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access, emergency is a transport mode key, so it should be access=no

[OSM-talk] conditions as part of value/key (was: Re: [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email))

2009-08-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote I can't really see the point of not putting values in keys actually. Aren't we already doing this in many tags? why is this a value in the key: maxspeed:wet=40 couldn't you interpret maxspeed:wet as a key? The maxspeed in wet condition? Could you explain the

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread OJ W
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a residential road? AFAIK that's an open question. IMHO this will have to be

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the _1 and _2, but I guess you're saying that's the only I didn't come up with it, it's already being used for other similar things where the

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/8 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Forget about the renderer for a second. IMHO we should tag what is on the ground. As the wiki says, layer is used to mark if a way/node/area is above or under another one, where is above or under clearly refers to the physical reality. It's not

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Tom Chance
On Friday 07 Aug 2009 23:15:39 OJ W wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a residential road? AFAIK

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/8 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: I'm not clear about the benefit of getting this complicated! That's a lot of extra work! sure. It's a project for the future, when everything is already mapped ;-), say next year. Also, how will a routing engine know if a way without parallel footways

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote: John Smith wrote: For general time based restrictions you can still do it in one line if you must, without needing to parse variable information in the key section: maxspeed:time=12:00-23:59;tu,th;50

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com writes: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes?

Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks

2009-08-07 Thread edodd
are you thinking of a paved section intended for walking, or just the space which here could be grass, rough ground, or even gardened? a paved surface intended for walking there are places in my village where you can walk on the grass next to the road - I've been marking them as 'no

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: why is this a value in the key: maxspeed:wet=40 couldn't you interpret maxspeed:wet as a key? The maxspeed in wet condition? Could you explain the problem that arises (I am not an informatics person and maybe for

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking and Access

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Kevo...@kevswindells.eu wrote: Hi All, While trying (and failing miserably) to find a parking space in Birmingham (UK) the other day (terrible sign age - talk about leaving it to the last minute - AND to top it all I must have parked in the one multi-story not

[OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

2009-08-07 Thread Austin Martin
Hey my name is Austin Martin, I recently got registered on OpenStreetMap (wiki and map), because I heard about it on FLOSS Weekly, Wednesday (though I have volunteered to help FLOSS projects for a while now, know how most work, and have heard about/visited the site before). So I thought I might

Re: [OSM-talk] conditions as part of value/key (was: Re: [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email))

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: - conditions in values: Also possible, but means all information of the same category (e.g. all maxspeeds) will be in a single value, which will result in rather long tags. It will also break existing applications unless

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/8 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Forget about the renderer for a second. IMHO we should tag what is on the ground. As the wiki says, layer is used to mark if a way/node/area is above or under another

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-07 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I haven't been participating for awhile, but wasn't some committee going to come up with a solution? Ideally there would be separate tagging systems for all the different classes of information, e.g. surface type, width, number of lanes; route numbers and codes, government classification,

Re: [OSM-talk] conditions as part of value/key

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: You don't need all maxspeeds to be in a single value. Nor would it break existing applications. Maxspeed=* is still maxspeed=*. You would be adding additional keys such as maxspeed:time, or

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/8 Jeffrey Martin dogs...@gmail.com: Ideally there would be separate tagging systems for all the different classes of information, e.g. surface type, width, number of lanes; route numbers and codes, government classification, popularity, etc.; and then the renderer would figure out how

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-07 Thread James Livingston
On 06/08/2009, at 12:58 AM, Renaud Martinet wrote: There has been a lot of discussion on the talk-fr list but once we came to a consensus, it was easy to put in place because we have our own MapFeatures page. Probably you should have one also... That might work for countries where

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Problemen met postgis en mapserver

2009-08-07 Thread Steven Schreuder
hoi, ik weet het niet zeker, maar volgens mij heb ik iets vergelijkbaars gehad. in postgis worden alle veldnamen met kleine letters geschreven. dus ik denk dat je ergens in je mapfile veldnamen met hoofdletters hebt geschreven succes! Steven http://www.rugbyopdekaart.nl Date: Fri, 7 Aug

[OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte coordinaten nodig. Ik heb al eerder gemeld dat ik een 'lijstje' heb gekregen. Maar ik heb daarvan al emperisch bewezen dat deze lijst slechts op 50m naukeurig is. Ik zou je

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Tijn Buijs
Hoi, Wil je de haltes van heel NL hebben of alleen van Amsterdam? Groeten, Tijn Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte coordinaten nodig. Ik heb al eerder gemeld dat ik een 'lijstje'

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Ik pik er even een aantal mee vanmiddag! floris Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte coordinaten nodig. Ik heb al eerder gemeld dat ik een 'lijstje' heb gekregen. Maar ik heb daarvan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Problemen met postgis en mapserver

2009-08-07 Thread Gert Jan Kruizinga
Steven, Dank je wel, ik had inderdaad in de style sectie een paar colommen waarop ik selecteerde om de kleur te bepalen van een vlak, en dezen waren in hoofdletters geschreven. Die directe link had ik nog niet gelegd. Het werkt nu. Gert Jan. Op 7 augustus 2009 14:48 schreef Steven Schreuder

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Tijn Buijs wrote: Wil je de haltes van heel NL hebben of alleen van Amsterdam? Groot denken; heel NL :) Ik weet dat we van het Stadsgewest Haaglanden routes hebben (haltes heb ik nog niet uit de Shapefile kunnen halen). Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Ik pik er even een aantal mee vanmiddag! Thanks! Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna?dan

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 07 August 2009 11:32:07 Rejo Zenger wrote: ++ 06/08/09 13:07 +0200 - Lambert Carsten: Mijn voorstel zou zijn om het perron niet als area maar als way te tekenen. Waarom is dat? Ik zie de toegevoegde waarde van een perron als area niet. Integendeel het maakt al die 'ways' die

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 07 August 2009 14:50:47 Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte coordinaten nodig. Ik heb al eerder gemeld dat ik een 'lijstje' heb gekregen. Maar ik heb daarvan al emperisch

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 14:50:47 Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte coordinaten nodig. Ik heb al eerder gemeld dat ik een 'lijstje'

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 07 August 2009 17:28:37 Stefan de Konink wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 14:50:47 Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi allen, Voor een nog ubergeheim project dat niet zo geheim meer is als ik het op talk-nl post heb ik exacte halte

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: Maar die moeten toch geïntegreerd worden in een route relation o.i.d.? (ik hoop dat ik geen spijt krijg van die vraag) Niets moet :) Gezien relaties momenteel zo 'dom' in elkaar zitten. Gaan we dat eerst eens goed fixen voordat ik iemand vraag routes

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Friday 07 August 2009 19:43:05 Stefan de Konink wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: Maar die moeten toch geïntegreerd worden in een route relation o.i.d.? (ik hoop dat ik geen spijt krijg van die vraag) Niets moet :) Gezien relaties momenteel zo 'dom' in elkaar zitten. Gaan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Amsterdamers (en anderen) wij hebben u nodig; Haltes

2009-08-07 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: Ja maar, hoe, waar? Op openstreetphoto.org zie ik niets over uploaden. De wiki :) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-07 Thread b . schulz . 10
Does the ABS have other boundaries which we can use for this? For example Sydney currently would just refer to the Sydney LGA, rather than that area which people would call Greater Sydney. Basically, do they publish boundaries such as greater sydney the newcastle region etc? If they don't

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: I'm just trying to brainstorm a way of achieving what you're describing while still conforming to strict boundary sources as opposed to drawing a boundary around a town by hand. As far as I'm aware this is the

[talk-au] RNA Showgrounds/Ekka

2009-08-07 Thread John Smith
Anyone going to the Ekka to map out the showgrounds better? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=18lat=-27.45092lon=153.03295 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] posters/banners

2009-08-07 Thread b . schulz . 10
I had a play around wit Inkscape and 5mins later had come up with this: http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/st7vm The link is to a transparent png so it doesn't look right with the dark blue background of the hosting service but such is life. I can't post the svg to the list without moderator

Re: [talk-au] Rendering Fuel tags

2009-08-07 Thread edodd
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Tags for that purpose are already described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfuel I just noticed this url on that page: http://www.osmfuel.org map/site for searching fuel locations Still short on listing

Re: [talk-au] posters/banners

2009-08-07 Thread 80n
That looks good, but... penStreetMap It's not obvious to the layman that the magnifying glass is supposed to be an O. And because pen is a common word many people will misread this as penStreetMap which makes about as much sense as OpenStreetMap if you've never heard of either. I'd strongly

Re: [talk-au] RNA Showgrounds/Ekka

2009-08-07 Thread Jeff Price
Just make sure you don't go to the effort mapping stuff which will be bulldozed for the redevelopment. From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 7 August, 2009 5:38:30 PM Subject: [talk-au] RNA Showgrounds/Ekka

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