Re: [Talk-hr] Party render

2009-12-17 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:28:30 +0100, nixa wrote: probao s sudo Naravno da sam probao kao root takodjer. Plav sam ali ne toliko ;) -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user

Re: [Talk-hr] samo dvojica rade?

2009-12-17 Thread hbogner
Valent Turkovic wrote: Ako je vjerovati unisima u hrvatskom dnevniku samo dvojica mappera nesto rade: http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary/hr offtopic Valent vidim da si aktivan, ali neznam koliko često citas poruke na openstreetmapu, daj pogledaj imas jednu od mene vezano za zeljeznice

Re: [Talk-hr] Party render

2009-12-17 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:30:41PM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pymedia/muxer.so: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied Ugasi SElinux ? /usr/sbin/setenforce 0 ili

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org: On Thursday 17 Dec 2009 1:03:16 pm Andreas Labres wrote: Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: http://openmaps.eu/ They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... license looks proprietary From their copyright page: As our name

[OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the % contribution of ways (current table, no account for history) per editor. It reveals that 95% of the way data is contributed by just 10% of the contributor base. In fact 50% of way data has been contributed by just 31 user accounts

[OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as citizen cartographer that they rob of its meaning by conveniently forgetting to

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/12/17 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as citizen cartographer that they

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com: 2009/12/17 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to appear as holding the moral high ground

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed with political agendas. Sure the world is

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:24 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed with political

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Hmm, no one thought of registering Open Maps as a trademark as well as OpenStreetMap? On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: http://openmaps.eu/ They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... /al

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Hmm, no one thought of registering Open Maps as a trademark as well as OpenStreetMap? Weren't you the one agreeing with me that the words open and free have been abused too much and are too ambigious the other day?

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Hmm, no one thought of registering Open Maps as a trademark as well as OpenStreetMap? What makes you think that if OpenStreetMap is a term deemed to general to work as a trademark, Open Maps would somehow work? Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Ian Dees
As much as it is disappointing to see others work on a similar/the same project, I don't think it makes sense for a group of people that have open in their title to block others from doing something through trademark law. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the % contribution of ways (current table, no account for history) per editor. It reveals that 95% of the way data is contributed by just 10% of the contributor base. In fact 50% of way data has

[OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, As we all know, you don't tag for the renderer. However, you want your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long term. Suggestion: introduce a fallback tag. For example, around my city there are little reserves - patches of grass reserved by the

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: What do people think? (No comments on how to tag land reserves, it's just an example...) Nice idea, but you are painting yourself into a corner as you limit the fall back to a single option. It'd be better if you could go from most specific to

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Shalabh
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As we all know, you don't tag for the renderer. However, you want your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long term. Suggestion: introduce a fallback tag. For example,

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all,   As we all know, you don't tag for the renderer. However, you want your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long term. Suggestion:

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Peter Körner
What do people think? (No comments on how to tag land reserves, it's just an example...) Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a patch to the mapnik xml, to that (in your example) landuse=reserve is rendered accordingly, or tag as landuse=park, reserve=yes.

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Solution: tag it like this: landuse=reserve fallback:leisure=park This makes only sense if there are certain landuse=reserve areas that you want to fall back to leisure=park and other landuse=reserve areas that are more like a natural=grass. And this would then mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote: 1. And what if even the 'fallback tag' is not rendered by the renderer? That's the current situation. So, the worst case scenario, with this tag, is...what we have now. Every other case is an improvement. 2. Some things

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Shalabh
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote: 1. And what if even the 'fallback tag' is not rendered by the renderer? That's the current situation. So, the worst case scenario, with this tag,

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Joseph Reeves
to know that at least *something* will render. This seems like a confusing proposal to ensure that a tiny fraction of a percentage of the whitespace on OSM.org gets *something* rendered in it. -1 from me. 2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.dewrote: Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a patch to the mapnik xml, With respect, fix the renderer is not a solution to how do I tag in such a way that current and future renderers will

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, for this approach to even start making sense, there has to be TAG FAMILY TREE covering each known tag such that each has fallback options going up to a certain level. And then each renderer should follow the TAG

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Nah. Only the smart mappers would even think of using it. And people that CP... Nah. It doesn't matter enough. I would see it mostly as a personal thing for the mapper, to know that at least *something* will render. Don't tag it until your

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.comwrote: This seems like a confusing proposal to ensure that a tiny fraction of a percentage of the whitespace on OSM.org gets *something* rendered in it. No, it's a proposal to encourage people to tag for the future and to

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Don't tag it until your feature request to update mapnik's style sheet is put into production... That's completely at odds with standard OSM advice: tag however you want. So file a feature request against mapnik's

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Robert Scott
On Thursday 17 December 2009, John Smith wrote: What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed with political agendas. Sure the world is

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Robert Scott wrote: Oh look another non-scientist giving his authoritative opinions about climate science. THIS is what I want to hear on osm-talk. I'd love to hear about the nationality of the US president, the veracity of the moon landing, and chemtrails as well. Oh, and someone in

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Chris Hill
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hmm, no one thought of registering Open Maps as a trademark as well as OpenStreetMap? What makes you think that if OpenStreetMap is a term deemed to general to work as a trademark, Open Maps would somehow work? In any case, we are supposed to be open. Trying to trademark names merely

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Shalabh
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Robert Scott wrote: Oh look another non-scientist giving his authoritative opinions about climate science. THIS is what I want to hear on osm-talk. I'd love to hear about the nationality of the US president, the veracity of the moon

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: That's completely at odds with standard OSM advice: tag however you want. You only want to tag stuff that renders, so update the render style sheet then tag it, if you don't care about it rendering first just tag it but your comments are specifically

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Peter Körner
Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a patch to the mapnik xml, With respect, fix the renderer is not a solution to how do I tag in such a way that current and future renderers will produce an acceptable result? Why not? to that (in your

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk: On Thursday 17 December 2009, John Smith wrote: What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Mann
4) And maybe I do some rendering myself... Richard On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/17 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: 4) And maybe I do some rendering myself... I actually offered him help/resources the other week on the talk-au list with regards to style sheets, perhaps I was a little too subtle :) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdoc: Questions for a new version [namespaced keys, multivalued values]

2009-12-17 Thread Rory McCann
On 06/12/09 21:34, Lars Francke wrote: 1) What should I do with namespaced tags. I mean all tags with colons in them to separate parts of the key. Examples are the tiger tags (tiger:tlid, ...), the Karlsruhe schema for addresses (addr:), name tags (name:de) or the seamark tags used by

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

2009-12-17 Thread Mikel Maron
My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from Wikimania to SOTM? == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org From:

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

2009-12-17 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 17 de Diciembre de 2009, Mikel Maron escribió: My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from Wikimania to SOTM? Let me check if the SotM venue has the appropiate facilities for this.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Map Maker promotion

2009-12-17 Thread Mikel Maron
We could hire a Mapping Matatu :). A matatu is the main form of public transport in Kenya, described as a cross between a sports car, a minibus, and a night club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi#Matatu_.28Kenya.2FUganda.29 == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You only want to tag stuff that renders, so update the render style sheet then tag it, if you don't care about it rendering first just tag it but your comments are specifically about wanting them to render first.

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Frederik Ramm wrote: Oh, and someone in Ireland has just released a motor that produces more energy than it consumes. Apart from the massive D cell powering it, you mean? http://blogs.zdnet.co.uk/news-blog/#10014630 -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Shalabh
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: There may be arguments against my proposed solution. There may be better solutions. It may not be a big problem. But, please, these one-off workarounds and hacks are not solutions. Steve Actually Steve, I think your

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: So, lets map and wait for the renderers to catch up. Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable break down list of most specific to least specific way existing tags already in use could render and then provide suitable patches for

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere suggestion for a tag that I think would be useful, and just look at the

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: In any case, we are supposed to be open. Trying to trademark names merely similar to our own is one of the most closed, monopolistic actions that it's possible to take. The idea of OSM is to collect and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Shalabh
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: If you have a certain fallback hierarchy that says dear renderers of the world, if you encounter something tagged landuse=reserve and you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Dave F.
Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, As we all know, you don't tag for the renderer. However, you want your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long term. Suggestion: introduce a fallback tag. For example, around my city there are little reserves - patches of

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. 2) I tag Y, fallback:X 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Dave F.
Steve Bennett wrote: I'm not looking for someone to tell me how to edit a stylesheet and hack mapnik to produce a particular result on my machine. But, Steve, that's precisely what you should be doing. And these are not solutions: 4) File a feature request 5) Fix the renderer myself and

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
Intriguing, Andy. Thanks for adding this. Would be nice to be able to filter out the import-users when producing these stats, however. Is that feasible? Martijn On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the %

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Dave F.
Steve Bennett wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere suggestion

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
First, thanks for the thoughtful replies, everyone. I'll reply to all in one email. It is just that I dont see your solution as a scalable one What's not scalable about it - presumably that you have to tag a fall back every time you use the tag? What's an alternative that's more scalable, for

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Martijn van Exel [mailto:mve...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 17 December 2009 4:04 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph Intriguing, Andy. Thanks for adding this. Would be nice to be able to filter out the import-users when

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: For example, around my city there are little reserves - patches of grass reserved by the government for future development such as freeways or train lines. They often get tagged leisure=park, but say I want to start tagging them landuse=reserve instead. Suddenly,

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

2009-12-17 Thread Katie Filbert
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 14:13, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread 80n
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/12/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com In the end, OSM is a database, and how you are rendering a map is something accessory, as everyone can set up the rendering the way they want. It is the greatest strength of OSM that you can choose what kind of rendering you can do. I think the map

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: As others have stated this should have gone to the tagging mailing list. What's not scalable about it - presumably that you have to tag a fall back Your suggestion as is only copes with 1 alternative, rather than gracefully falling back to less

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com: But for the time being, if you want a custom rendering you will be using your own pc or server. If you are interested in a relatively simple If he wants to play about I have an instance of mapnik he can play with setup already. He could also

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Dave F.
Steve Bennett wrote: IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance. Yes, unless I'm missing something your proposal just adds the long list. If it's use *now *is a park, tag it as a park. When if (and that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Anthony
Then just start using your fallback tag. There's no need to tell the list about it. IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance. Honestly, I don't see the harm in having lots of tags that everyone else can

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wiki Search does not work

2009-12-17 Thread Nakor
On 12/16/2009 11:22 PM, Tirkon wrote: MediaWiki search is pretty weak in general. No problem at Wikipedia The problem might be that OpenStreetMap wiki is running an old version (1.13 vs 1.16 at wikipedia) of wikimedia. IIRC, search has been improved a lot. Who could update mediawiki?

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Honestly, I don't see the harm in having lots of tags that everyone else can happily ignore.  At least, not when they're added by hand.  The only real harm is a small fraction of space in the database.  When it comes to massive imports (tiger:*=*) or editor

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.orgwrote: The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Kevin Peat
Instead of trying to counter the googlespeak wouldn't it be better to think about why they feel the need to do this kind of thing in the first place rather than sponsoring an OSM based venture. Similarly, why are companies like waze trying to start from scratch rather than using our data for

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com: If it is because of the license then we should take the opportunity to make sure our new license is friendly to these kind of applications and uses as what is the point of creating a free map if only a minority of people are ever going to see it.

Re: [OSM-talk] diff between planet daily and history files

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jaak Laineste wrote: I discovered that the files in http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily/ and http://planet.openstreetmap.org/history/ are slightly different, If there are two changes to the same object in the scope of one day, then the normal diff will only contain the newset version,

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Liz
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Dave F. wrote: Replies are in the negative because they think your idea is poor for the reasons stated. It's as simple as that. unfortunately the contents of this list are dominated by people who are negative writing negative comments I note overall a lack of creative

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
Steve Bennett wrote: Solution: tag it like this: landuse=reserve fallback:leisure=park Lets assume that your fallback tag isn't just a less specific type of object than the real tag (in that case, a tag hierarchy - as it is used with amenity=parking + parking=*, for example - would solve the

[OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread Liz
Found by slashme today in the Nevada saltpans, but apparently been there over one year http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/slashme/diary/8968 all of these changesets 367363 266357 272488 293410 302378 621338 187907 324014 365985 ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread Kevin Samples
It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on the wiki. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_Images/Jul-Sep_2009#Week_36) Kevin On 12/17/2009 2:30 PM, Liz wrote: Found by slashme today in the Nevada saltpans, but apparently been there over one year

Re: [OSM-talk] set-mapnik-env stage of rendering tiles

2009-12-17 Thread Peter Körner
set-mapnik-env customize-mapnik-map osm.xml I try it in cygwin bash on win and get: bash: set-mapnik-env: command not found You'll have to call ./set-mapnik-env ... But you don't need this anymore. just copy the inc/*.template to remove the .template suffix and customize the settings there.

Re: [OSM-talk] set-mapnik-env stage of rendering tiles

2009-12-17 Thread Lennard
Peter Körner wrote: But you don't need this anymore. just copy the inc/*.template to remove the .template suffix and customize the settings there. Then just point mapnik to the osm.xml, it will load the files from inc/. Or, run the generate-xml.py script. PS: It's getting slightly annoying

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Andreas Labres wrote: Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: http://openmaps.eu/ They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... I sent their proeminent members (papa71, kepenu, KiVi, peter68, Trackman and BigMick) a gentle enquiry through their forum's internal mail system; that's

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways (was: Re: Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Sam Vekemans wrote: Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it route=greenway and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the sections as appropriate. Greenway is the US/Canadianism for cycleway. ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: that, and that would be appropriate for reserves, too. But some other renderer might write park all over the area or do something else that makes the rendering completely inappropriate for the feature. What if I use

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from maps. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Samples ksamp...@uga.edu wrote: It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on the wiki.

Re: [OSM-talk] Projection for processed_p.shp?

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alexrk wrote: The projection is spherical mercator (900913), you can download a .PRJ file from the menu on http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/6627/ I've tried it in ArcMap - doesn't fit with a regular Mercator .prj file. Yes; regular Mercator is something other than spherical

Re: [OSM-talk] Projection for processed_p.shp?

2009-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: processed_p.shp is spherical mercator (properly EPSG:3857, formerly EPSG:900913, and erroneously EPSG:3857). The last bit should've been 3785. It was bound to happen. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] [Mapnik-users] Projection for processed_p.shp?

2009-12-17 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
EPSG, too, seems to have problems with tagging. My understanding is that that officially it is nowadays EPSG:3785, see http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/3785/ However, that code is not widely supported yet. I believe EPSG:900913 is still the most common in use. Best to keep the

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'll keep investigating the idea of a centralised rules table though. Cool - if so, it might be interesting to see how this could relate to the wiki also, not just renderers. Good luck :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Stephen Hope
There was a similar study that has been done in Wikipedia - and it got similar results. Then somebody else did some closer studies, and found that the last edit may have been done by one of the 10%, but they were often cosmetic cleanups. The bulk of creation was done by other users. I wonder how

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] tagging Greenways (was: Re: Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

2009-12-17 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks Paul, I did answer, but am saving it in my drafts folder sent it to others for peer review 1st. Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Sam Vekemans wrote: Where the only way i know to map it is to use a

[OSM-talk] Archos 5

2009-12-17 Thread Nakor
Hello, I see that the newest Archos has a built-in GPS. Does anyone know if it is possible to record traces with it? Is it possible to use other maps besides the Tele-Atlas one that they sell? Thanks in adavance, N. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'll keep investigating the idea of a centralised rules table though. Cool - if so, it might be interesting to see how this could relate to the wiki also, not just

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from maps. This was discussed a while back, OSM isn't about the here and now there is some historical information

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: As I was considering doing a similar thing for Glastonbury, I was wondering what the consensus on mapping temporary (but regular) structures? Most people seem to tag it as if it exists all the time, I think in the case of burning man, it tends to shift

Re: [OSM-talk] Archos 5

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Nakor nakor...@gmail.com:   Hello, I see that the newest Archos has a built-in GPS. Does anyone know if it is possible to record traces with it? Is it possible to use other maps besides the Tele-Atlas one that they sell? Is that the one that uses android as the OS?

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: often cosmetic cleanups.  The bulk of creation was done by other users. I wonder how much this applies to mapping. I've pondered about this before but I came to the conclusion that mapping is a little different than adding knowledge to a wiki. You can

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Erik Lundin
Yeah! Maybe we have to increase our efforts to announce that we exist? I joined OSM in May 2008, but would have done it earlier if I had found out about it before. /Erik Andreas Labres skrev: They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... ___

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-17 Thread Erik Lundin
I just found their links page (http://openmaps.eu/links) where they link to OpenStreetMap, so they are at least aware of our project. /Erik Erik Lundin skrev: Yeah! Maybe we have to increase our efforts to announce that we exist? I joined OSM in May 2008, but would have done it earlier if I

Re: [OSM-talk] Archos 5

2009-12-17 Thread Nakor
On 12/17/2009 08:53 PM, John Smith wrote: 2009/12/18 Nakor nakor...@gmail.com: Hello, I see that the newest Archos has a built-in GPS. Does anyone know if it is possible to record traces with it? Is it possible to use other maps besides the Tele-Atlas one that they sell? Is that the one

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