On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Yes,
> my point was a bit to much, of course I wont decompile and publish the
> "source".
> but the essence of my question is, without a license, what is the
> terms of usage of such a software? It is unclear. That is what is
Yes,
my point was a bit to much, of course I wont decompile and publish the
"source".
but the essence of my question is, without a license, what is the
terms of usage of such a software? It is unclear. That is what is
worrying me.
mike
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> O
On 1 May 2010 07:30, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Also, it is being hosted on openstreetmap.de,
> I am going to start to decompile it and recreate the java code from
> the class files. I wonder if they will sue me.
> I don't see any license agreement that says I cannot do it.
While I d
Hi,
>> interest of OSM users in general, people want to know how to use the
>> data as much as create it.
> Mind you, Mike has done plenty of free promotion on this list for this
> closed source software, which is funny in an ironic sense because he's
> had the opposite effect that he set out to
On 1 May 2010 20:38, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> We have a policy on the FOSSGIS servers (the ones behind
> openstreetmap.de) that says we're not hosting non-free software. If you
> can point me to software being hosted on openstreetmap.de which is
> non-free then it will be removed.
non-free or non-f
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> We have a policy on the FOSSGIS servers (the ones behind openstreetmap.de)
> that says we're not hosting non-free software. If you can point me to
> software being hosted on openstreetmap.de which is non-free then it will be
> removed.
I wa
hi,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Of course, that is not the issue, my point was simple, it is just that
> by hosting non free software you are effectively limiting the users to
> make a copy of the site or use its contents. if it is practical or not
> is another issue.
>
> By freely mi
On 1 May 2010 20:32, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> My idea is pretty simple, if you want to have propriety software,
> please host it somewhere else. If you cannot host it on any of the
> free software hosting sites because you want to have a restrictive
> license, then please host it on
I agree with you on many points,
1. Yes, of course the data should be free to be used however people
want. (in accordance with the restrictions on derived works). There
can be no coupling of data and software. that would be evil. There
should be no GPLED wire formats or the like.
2. The Software
The reason why the source code is not open is explained at the bottom of the
wiki page.
The more questionable issue for me is that the wiki seems to be the main
host of this closed product online documentation (or I didn't find where it
is).
Pieren
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On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> In another post you wrote that topo.openstreetmap.org cannot be "freely
> mirrored". That is true insofar as that we are likely to ban your IP if you
> try to to create such a mirror due to the load on the server, much as you
> would be bann
Hi!
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 09:35:04AM +0100, Kai Krueger wrote:
> I can't speak about the specific case of OSM composer and how it is
> hosted on openstreetmap.de (Those servers were between sponsored afaik
> by a single commercial company, and not by "the community", not that
> that should ma
On 1 May 2010 18:56, David Murn wrote:
> I would hope that every user of OpenStreetMap has the same 'morals' of
> wishing open-ness and freedom upon everyone else. Strangely, it also
> becomes emotive for some points.
Motivations and morals are 2 completely different topics, even if
morals are o
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 3:46 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Me too!
> Maybe someday we will have to make a librestreetmap fork of project
> with stricter licenses policies for the software and better policies
> for the wiki.
Mike,
I'm a long time Free Software advocate/writing and a
Mike,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Someone asked me to help translate this tool, and I was shocked to
> find no source code.
What did the author of the tool say when you asked him, before posting here?
> Does OSM have any guidelines about software that is hosted on the
> wiki? Can peo
David Murn wrote:
> I can see both points of this argument, but while James seems to be
> asking for consistency within OSM, everyone seems to be making excuses
> as to why there doesnt have to be consistency.
Welcome to OSM.
We're not consistent. We're a glorious anarchic mess. That's why the
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 18:34 +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 1 May 2010 18:27, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> > Please don't get to personal here, it is not about my morals. It is
> > about consistency and clarity.
>
> There isn't much I can do about the truth offending you, you did
> ind
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi there,
> just a question, freeware for non commercial usage / non open source
> being promoted on the osm wiki?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM_Composer
> Is this what we want ? is there any policy on that? I know we
On 1 May 2010 18:27, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Please don't get to personal here, it is not about my morals. It is
> about consistency and clarity.
There isn't much I can do about the truth offending you, you did
indeed use emotive language to push an agenda based on your morals.
>
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 9:56 AM, John Smith wrote:
> On 1 May 2010 17:42, David Murn wrote:
>> If all that hurts your head, it hurts my head just as much seeing
>> closed-source software promoted by a site whos sole purpose is the
>> freedom of information.
>
> No one is actively promoting anythin
David Murn wrote:
> I had been considering making all my contributions to OSM, thinking that
> 'open' in OSM means the same as 'open' in open-source, ie. you can use
> my software and my changes, but if you derive anything from my work, you
> cannot impose restrictions above and beyond the licence
Am 01.05.2010 09:42, schrieb David Murn:
> My whole reason for dedicating efforts to OSM, rather than other
> projects such as google mapmaker, is due to the forced openness which
> every user/member has to comply with. If I wanted to be part of a
> pseudo-free map project, Id go back to google, b
On 1 May 2010 17:56, John Smith wrote:
> On 1 May 2010 17:42, David Murn wrote:
>> If all that hurts your head, it hurts my head just as much seeing
>> closed-source software promoted by a site whos sole purpose is the
>> freedom of information.
>
> No one is actively promoting anything, Mike is
On 1 May 2010 17:42, David Murn wrote:
> If all that hurts your head, it hurts my head just as much seeing
> closed-source software promoted by a site whos sole purpose is the
> freedom of information.
No one is actively promoting anything, Mike is using emotive language
to push his morals, howev
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 9:42 AM, David Murn wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 07:52 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> > Can I advertise anything I want on the wiki? I know that flossk
>> > our group in Kosovo has guidelines on non free software
>>
>> Good for your group in Kosovo. Maybe the fact th
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 07:52 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > Can I advertise anything I want on the wiki? I know that flossk
> > our group in Kosovo has guidelines on non free software
>
> Good for your group in Kosovo. Maybe the fact that "flossk" has "FLOSS"
> in the name, and OSM doesn't,
Cool, i can make a nice Garmin Contour Map for New Zealand with
accompaning latest OSM routable installer & dem files for fun.
I'll store it on archive.org when its done.
Cheers,
Sam
On 4/30/10, Robin Paulson wrote:
> On 19 March 2010 22:32, Andy Allan wrote:
>>> i don't know what a DEM is unf
Osm composer is designed specifically for Garmin GPS and its MapSource software.
We promote Garmin because its technically the best, and maps can be
easily made for it.
And yes, its non commerial. And thats great!
As soon as there is an Ibuntu product with the same capabilities, and easy GUI.
This
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