Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

My impression is that this mess arises because bus stops are uni-directional and independent from the opposite direction. So we're used to having them as separate entities to the side of the road. Whereas tram stops are often in a single location for both directions (or close enough), so we want

Re: [Talk-GB] Oxford Railway Station

More correct than it was. I'm sure someone local will improve it ere long. On 13 Oct 2017 12:46, "Dave F" wrote: > Hi > > Is there anybody familiar with Oxford Railway Station who could give it a > check? A user has made some amendments that don't appear correct.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

The classic shared space scheme in Haren: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310 has no tags that I can see. I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a "special" type of traffic calming. On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale

Re: [Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

I'd stick to tags on the relations, and not super relations. Relations are not categories. Relations are for things that are in spatial *relationship* to one another, not just a collection. Richard On 10 Feb 2017 13:37, "SK53" wrote: > I'm really not sure that we should be

Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering of layers

representing what is physically on the ground. > > Regards > Stuart > > > > Stuart Reynolds > for traveline south east & anglia > > > > On 21 Jan 2016, at 10:34, Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Compa

Re: [OSM-talk] Unrepentant Vandal

tracks=2, and the tags on the highway way was originally preferred if the tracks were consistently in the middle of the street To me, that single line veers implausibly from one side of the street to the other, and I'd probably be more concerned to get the highway and the tram tracks to line up

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

ay stations or junction should be > counted with no regard to the train services running on it." & it's a > "workaround" for tracks. > > Cheers > Dave F. > > > > On 07/10/2015 09:24, Richard Mann wrote: > > Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

If someone wants to continue this discussion on the public transport list, feel free to start a discussion there. It's not appropriate for this list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each line separately. So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I only did N=1 or N>=4, though. I'd suggest converting the

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at railway tagging for a while, though. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels. I'm thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy. Richard On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Richard Mann < richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote: &g

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

ran...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jerry - thanks for the post in the 3D forum. Richard (Mann) where do I > check to see if a ticket has been raised on the platform rendering? > > Rgds > > Brian > > On 21 September 2015 at 21:16, SK53 <sk53@gmail.com> wrote: > >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

Well, it's going to be a struggle to get a good result while the default rendering puts layer=-1 platforms on top of layer=0 footways. Has anyone raised a ticket for that? Richard On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:13 PM, SK53 wrote: > Hi Brian, > > Seems a very sensible request.

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

Purple motorways would be a problem in the Severn Estuary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/51.5850/-2.6402 On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: W dniu 22.08.2015 1:47, Richard Mann napisał(a): I'd be tempted to leave motorways as blue - it's

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

I'd be tempted to leave motorways as blue - it's not such a critical problem as the invisible green trunk roads. Adding one more shade of red to the existing color-progression is probably achievable. Two seems to be pushing it. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: W

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

I'm happy to support a shades of red/yellow road system for the default map. The UK colours only really work at small scale with heavy casing (with landuse eg forests muted). The green for trunk roads used for OS 1:50,000 is only recent, much darker than the green used for OSM, and a

Re: [Talk-GB] Odd highway=primary_link changes in gyratory systems

Rendering _links is a pain, and the default rendering isn't brilliant at it (it renders all links under all non-links). So I'd definitely err on the side of not using _links unless they are adding some real information. A good use of _links is to distinguish between the main roads continuing

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

Re central reservations on dual carriageways: I did this for my local map: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/cyclemap/?zoom=2lat=51.7245lon=-1.24708layers=B0FF by adding a barrier=central_reservation way (with a further tag saying what it was dividing) I'd be a bit wary of using a two-stage

Re: [Talk-transit] different interpretations of v2 PT scheme

Your processing needs to be able to cope with these situations, using the latlon of the features, if the relationships aren't explicit. Get the computer to do the work, not the mappers. Richard On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-07-01 10:00 GMT+02:00 Éric Gillet

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

A quick scan of Oxford shows the colleges (and a few multi-building areas such as the Science Area) as amenity=university, with buildings within colleges and odd departments as building=university. So we have a lot of universities too. Other big difference is that we haven't generally added

Re: [Talk-GB] Advice on footpaths - when should they be separate, when not?

My inclination is to draw them in (just on main roads for the moment) but I add an adjacent=yes tag so that there's a basic flag that they're part of a bigger street structure. I started to do this when I wanted to mark crossings as linear features, rather than just as dots. Richard On Mon, Dec

Re: [Talk-GB] Advice on footpaths - when should they be separate, when not?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: Usage of adjacent seems to be fairly localised in the UK: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6k7 Yeah, probably just me (maybe nobody else feels the need to make the distinction). I think there are some places in Germany

Re: [Talk-GB] Suburbs in London/Brum - big edits

I guess the problem is that quarter/suburb just isn't a natural-english hierarchy, whereas we do know what town/suburb mean. What is certainly clear is that distinct town centres in the London suburbs are not the same as other suburbs, and deserve a separate place type. place=town has served that

Re: [Talk-GB] Suburbs in London/Brum - big edits

I'd revert the changes. The rule I worked to a couple of years ago, when I tried to iron out some of the inconsistencies in London was to use place=town for places with a sizeable retail centre (typically lots of clothes shops as well as food). Richard On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tom

Re: [Talk-GB] Stansted - cartography vs routing, and levels

Layers are _relative_, so I'd use layer=0 (ie default) for the layer with the most detail (probably the public area of the terminal building), and if that has to use stairs or escalators to fit in with adjacent layer=0 areas then so be it. Richard On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Stuart Reynolds

Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

Block paving is very common for residential streets in the Netherlands, so that's not really enough to distinguish a living_street. I'd keep highway=living_street for (at minimum) single surface, no clear distinction between where cars and pedestrians go, and no clear straight route for cars.

Re: [Talk-transit] Information board details in bus stops

They get called a bus cage (because of the marking design) or more officially Bus Stop Clearway (ie somewhere where you can't load/park) in the UK. road_markings=yes might be more appropriate On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: In Belgium the letters B U S are

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

This thread is already too long (though Fred's contribution was a classic). If people want to add transliterations (or genuinely different names) by hand, then let them. As long as no-one starts doing mass automated transliterations, then it doesn't matter very much. Richard (M) On Tue, Aug 5,

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import

Just my tuppence, since I used the Naptan stop data to make a printed map. Electronic version here: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/busmap/ My memory is that I corrected a lot of minor positional errors, and the occasional name/bearing. I had to add in a few stops that weren't in Naptan. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English

en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes

I added service=express to the coaches that we have locally, using a similar model to that used for train services. As long as it's clear, it doesn't really matter (it can always be standardised at a later date). {Formally, coaches are quite distinctive - the wheels are attached to an underframe

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with May 2014 OS Locator data

There's one like that in Oxford (for about 30 metres) - street addresses different on the two sides. For the moment it has name=St Clements Street, alt_name=London Place, and a separate footway with name=London Place (plus a name:note). So my suggestion - draw separate footways, and give them

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City

I added a population tag to some of the dubious ones (primarily the larger non-cities) to enable them to be identified by the renderer. Rochester/Chatham is complicated (not least by the fact that Rochester managed to lose its City status by accident). On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Possible vandalism? New Forth Road Bridge being changed to motorway from construction

These users probably want a rendering. It's too easy to change the data, wait for it to render then grab the result. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence

You need to formally ask: Any other dataset published under the OS OpenData License by other organisations, such as English Heritage, (or by OS if any). is unclear: ask who? Ask the organisation doing the publishing (eg Norfolk CC), or OS? My impression of the Mike Collinson dialogue was that

Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station

and area doesn't usually create too many problems ? Currently, either a node or an area is created to define a railway station, isn't it ? So there is never separate node and area in the same station. Is there something I didn't understand ? Zigeuner Le Mercredi 18 décembre 2013 10h49, Richard

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Simply rendering public_transport=platform+bus=yes (if that's correct) as a bus stop is a matter of a few lines of xml in the tag-transform (to insert a highway=bus_stop tag in relevant nodes, which the normal rendering processes can pick up). Though since this is functionally the same as the

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of

Re: [Talk-transit] IFOPT-numbers for public transport platforms

UK bus stops all have codes (taken from the NaPTAN import), for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/533877725 If it's not displayed on the stop, any reference should be prefixed with the source. That stop also has a publicly-displayed code which is tagged as ref=69345648. This is actually

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

At least they could have the grace to spell licence correctly. On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a close button. That box just screams at me to be closed - my brain wants to see what's behind it! Not sure what communication went out about this

Re: [Talk-GB] Primary or Trunk?

At least we don't have the situation in Copenhagen, where route 16 goes from being a motorway to a primary to a trunk to a primary to a trunk to a tertiary. It's wider than Euston Road as it goes past the centre of the city... http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.6940/12.5479

Re: [Talk-GB] Unclassified and Tertiary Roads

If in doubt, unclassified. Use tertiary if it's consistently built to a cars-can-pass-one-another-easily standard (which usually means a clear through route between main roads, or the access route to a significant village). Might be different in parts of Britain where even main roads get to be

Re: [Talk-GB] National speed limit changes

IIRC a lot of those tags were added by Chriscf, without any local surveying, and since the value was derived from the speed limit, there's little added value in having separate maxspeed:type values. It's just clutter. What matters to the data user is the maxspeed tag. The maxspeed:type tag is

Re: [OSM-talk] Who interprets semicolon in tag values?

Similarly, I parse route_ref to identify which stops are served by a particular bus route. Maperitive can't pick out the nodes from the relation directly, so I was glad of the alternative/duplicate method. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: When standing in front of

Re: [OSM-talk] Permalink with marker

Easiest of all would probably be to include the marker by default, and let people edit it out if they don't want it. Richard On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I think that's slightly different to what I had in mind. My suggestion was to make

Re: [Talk-GB] Trunk vs green-sign routes in the UK

the wiki is the long-accepted approach: use highway=trunk for green signs - ie the primary (sorry) route network On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is kind of a tagging question, but is UK-specific and pretty straightforward so I thought I'd

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

You probably want one of these: http://goo.gl/maps/2K3XR at the closed end and one of these at the access-for-loading end: http://goo.gl/maps/AVJ8h On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, I take it you're referring to Ipswich? In which case, I can

Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)

I'd use alt_name. At least it's an established place to look for alternative stuff. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Rovastar wrote: Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass, etc don't as far I I know appear on the ground however I think the some record

Re: [Talk-GB] Fowey estuary coastline problem

Best advised to leave the natural=water in place (with a fixme note) until the coastline re-renders (which could be a few weeks) Richard On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Jason Woollacott wool...@hotmail.comwrote: This relates to some work I did on the Cornish county boundary a while back,

Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering of disused railway stations

One in London has had disused: put in front of the tags http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1528661184 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Bogus Zaba bog...@bogzab.plus.com wrote: Has anybody else noticed / been annoyed by the way that disused railway stations are rendered just like

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

Consider slightly offsetting each level. Add a note saying slightly-offset-from-level-below. Sharing nodes between vertical layers is certainly wrong. Richard On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Rob Nickerson wrote: Am I doing something wrong? Is

[OSM-talk] Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh

There are no prizes for guessing why this node caused an interpretation error. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/241783950 If there's a way of stopping the API from storing/returning very small numbers in scientific notation, I'm sure it'll save someone (else) some heartache in future.

Re: [Talk-GB] Queen Elizabeth II playing fields

Ha - we've already got a King George's Playing Field. Might have to add the designation tag! I suspect prone_to_flooding=yes might also be appropriate... On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] public_transport=platform not rendered

There are a million highway=bus_stop nodes, they are rendered, and there's no very good reason to change them. There are 118,000 public_transport=platform nodes, of which 67% also have highway tags. I'd just put highway=bus_stop on the public_transport=platform nodes (if they are bus stops), and

Re: [Talk-GB] importing house shapes

That's pretty much entirely a relation-as-category, though, isn't it? I'm wondering whether there'd be a case for a very small number of high-value (in terms of processing speed) relations to be created automatically, available to data consumers in the normal way through the API, but _not_ shown

Re: [Talk-GB] importing house shapes

Strangely enough, you press Q in Potlatch as well On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On Oct 16, 2012 9:15 PM, Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: Hi Talk-GB, Sorry if I'm posting on the wrong list. ...I have a huge preference for Potlatch

Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes

I'll include opposite_lane; there are enough of them. I'd probably tag the one by the Jeremy Bentham as cycleway:right=track (and indeed that is how it is tagged). You can determine its unconventional usage from the oneway tag(s), if you so wish. I'd guess most of the cycleway=opposite_lane tags

[Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes

As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here:

[Talk-GB] Updated GB cycle lanes map

I've updated my map of GB cycle lanes (and quiet cycle routes). Rendered using Geofabrik/Osmosis/Maperitive. Now with OdbL data... http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/DualCycleNetworkMap/ It looks to me like there's quite a lot of cycle lanes missing. A lot of cycle lane data is available from

Re: [Talk-GB] Updated GB cycle lanes map

RCNs are deliberately not shown, since they are generally leisure routes (and being phased out in favour of NCN tagging). Richard On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: On 2 October 2012 09:55, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote: I've

Re: [Talk-GB] Updated GB cycle lanes map

gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 09:55, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: 1) put the output back in the database, by using existing keys (eg maxspeed=30 mph + maxspeed:source=inferred from presence of residential side streets) 2) put the output back

Re: [OSM-talk] All you've ever wanted to know about the french cadastre

While I would agree that the French data is huge, it _is_ pleasing to be able to make maps where the density of building is observable, even if you know nothing about the buildings. I'm not sure that every building in every village is quite required, but it'll probably go that way eventually. Is

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Data User Group asks what data do you want

I've asked for Network Rail's Sectional Appendices (track layout diagrams and lots of other goodies) to be available in PDF form. Richard On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, Just a quick heads up that the Open Data User Group (supported by

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Data User Group asks what data do you want

to push it around and mix it with things, and do interesting things it's much less useful. Shaun On 27 Sep 2012, at 23:19, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: I've asked for Network Rail's Sectional Appendices (track layout diagrams and lots of other goodies

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for import guidelines

I think the distinction between mechanical and manual needs to be fleshed out a bit. To me manual implies a degree of care to other data (relative location of existing objects, links to other objects, existing versions of the same or related objects, other tags, consideration of the quality of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Legal Wording again..

If I understand it right, you have to have (c) OSM contributors, and a hyperlink from that text (or more if you choose) to the copyright page. ODBL/CC-BY-SA do not need to be specifically mentioned. Maybe add Tiles: yourserver (CC-BY-SA) if you're serving them locally On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at

[Talk-GB] An alternative rendering of cycle routes in Britain....

I've produced an alternative rendering of cycle networks in Britain: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/DualCycleNetworkMap/ This is in the style of the Oxford Cycle Map. It was produced using Geofabrik / osmosis (to cut it into z8 chunks) / Maperitive. The main cartographical feature is the

[Talk-GB] Use of place=town

Is it me, or have people been a bit over-enthusiastic with the use of place=town in parts of north London? I'd have thought town should be more restricted to definite centres, with place=suburb quite sufficient for the rest? Market towns used to have a rule that they only got a charter if they

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of place=town

Sorry; meant to include a permalink: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.58lon=-0.122zoom=11layers=M On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: Is it me, or have people been a bit over-enthusiastic with the use of place=town in parts of north London

[Talk-GB] Not my patch, but why's this a tertiary_link

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/114413014 My guess is that it should be a highway=unclassified, but maybe someone in Brighton/Lewes can provide some local knowledge? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Not my patch, but why's this a tertiary_link

11:11, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it needs a turning restriction, not to be a tertiary_link. Do you have a view on whether it should be a tertiary (ie clearly wide enough for two-way traffic, and forming a clear link between places

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

The people who collected the data tell me that the cycle lane widths were recorded in 3 categories: 1) 1.5m 2) 1.5=x2 3) =2 So the values in the data (1.25 and 1.75 mostly) are spuriously accurate and quite often overstated. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

I'd be tempted to convert the cycleway=lane into cycleway:left=lane and cycleway:right=lane anyway, since (if I understand it right), it's relatively easy to tag-transform it back again, for data users who can only use symmetrical stuff. The capital letter is wrong though. Richard On Mon, Jun

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and OS OpenData BoundaryLine

I think Peter was planning on making the ITO boundaries available as a traceable layer, but haven't heard anything about this recently. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: On 29 May 2012 15:44, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: My questions to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways and Access tags: Left, Right, Forward, Backward?

I don't know when bicycle:backward=yes appeared - I've always used oneway:bicycle=no (and taginfo puts it as 131 to 4831 uses, so I'm not the only one) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: It has been pointed out that some of these may be due to one-way roads (and

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways and Access tags: Left, Right, Forward, Backward?

Off-carriageway tracks tend to be bidirectional (they all are in the UK). So no-one would bother to use bidirectional_track. Richard On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:56 PM, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Arg, thats still not right is it? Firstly it leaves 2 values for cycleway:left and also the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways and Access tags: Left, Right, Forward, Backward?

I think we should spend time making maps and not having silly arguments that aren't going to be resolved because there are pros and cons both ways. Rob - for your purposes - the wiki should describe simple versions of both methods (ignore left and right), credit them both with having virtues, and

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

IMO it's better to add something clear than to shoehorn something into a generic tag. Especially if you end up with compound values. OK so they could be parsed, but it's just making work (both processing and maintaining). Better to have something unambiguous like national_rail=yes and

Re: [Talk-GB] Cycling, the law and traffic signs

I doubt there are any instances in the UK where there's a TRO supporting a No Pedestrians sign on a cycle track (welcome to be proved wrong!). The possibility exists in the legislation, but you'd have to explicitly sign it (the white-bike-on-blue-circle does not of itself exclude pedestrians in

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

National Rail is what ATOC came up with to describe things that are represented by the double-arrow symbol, and which would formerly have been referred to as British Rail or informally as the rail network. (The staff refer to it as the railway, but that's another subject) National Rail isn't a

Re: [Talk-GB] Byways (Was: Rights of way - Image vote)

You sometimes get a simple direction sign at a road junction saying Byway. It just means it doesn't go anywhere very much, but otherwise it's a normal unclassified (non-urban) road. Richard On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: I'm pretty happy to add

Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle lanes and Cycle Tracks - how to map

Gosh, you are a glutton for punishment. cycleway=track is used extensively in some countries highway=cycleway is use extensively in some countries cycleway=track was only rendered on OCM relatively recently cycleway:left|right=track|lane isn't rendered on OCM the Danes had a big argument about

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: But as yet I haven't understood what point you're trying to make in this thread. Without trying to be obtuse... can you explain? cheers Richard That there are legitimate ways of classifying cycle routes other than

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

We do it for motorised vehicles. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: But why does this need special treatment? We don’t do it for any other mode of transport. ** ** Cheers Andy ** ** *From:* Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf

[OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

A Dutchman posted a map of the main cycle routes in Utrecht, and I asked why it looked so different to OSM/OCM http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/looking-down-on-cyclists/ Q: Why does the map above look different to what’s in OpenStreetMap?

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be recorded, so different renderings can be produced for different purposes (and indeed routers can use the information as well, if they want to). I know that different route networks apply for different purposes in my city (and have

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

, May 9, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Richard Mann wrote: My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be recorded We tag what's on the ground, whether it's route signage, cycle-specific infrastructure, or a giant woolly mammoth (http://url.ie

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering issue with *_link roads

Logically, you need to know the lower of the two classifications being linked, and it may also be useful to know the higher of the two being linked. So I record that information in links_lower and links_higher tags. Then it can be rendered very neatly. But I got flamed last time I proposed this

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering issue with *_link roads

That's why you need to know the lower of the two classifications being linked (so you can put the link just under the lower one) On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM, AJ Ashton aj.ash...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Is this behaviour of mapnik

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Tagging Guideline - wiki page proposals

Which (yawn) is not a bad thing: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it's either a track on the main highway (cycleway=track) or a separate track (highway=cycleway). If you put both in

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Tagging Guideline - wiki page proposals

I'd only use cycleway=track if there's a track on both sides, otherwise I use cycleway:left=track or cycleway:right=track, as appropriate. I also add a highway=cycleway alongside, because some applications prefer one method, some the other, and there's little harm having both (in my view).

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Tagging Guideline - wiki page proposals

Brave man! Globally, highway=path is mostly used without any access tags, judging by taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=path#combinations So I think Classic and Alternative are adequate titles. Established and Alternative would probably be more accurate. Richard On Fri, Apr

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle tracks now show up on OCM

Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/16 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com I've only just noticed that cycleway=track now renders on OCM, which means you get a more realistic picture of Copenhagen/Frederiksburg : http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=17lat=55.68659lon=12.5642layers=B00

[OSM-talk] Cycle tracks now show up on OCM

I've only just noticed that cycleway=track now renders on OCM, which means you get a more realistic picture of Copenhagen/Frederiksburg : http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=17lat=55.68659lon=12.5642layers=B00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Group relation proposal

Relations are not categories. They are for recording geospatial relationships between elements, not for putting things in groups. Put a tag on the elements saying this is part of Group X. Wait for data users to work out a way to grab groups of elements based on that tag ( maybe help code that

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism changeset

Maybe an abandon changes button? At the moment you have to hit undo (which might be complicated) or click on View and face down the do-you-really-want-to-leave-this-page dialog. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 March 2012 13:40, Oliver O'Brien

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for a new transport tag

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I don't know much about getting renderers to work, but summing frequencies of all bus lines on each way seems to be enough for now. And if you draw bus routes with colours ranging from blue (rare route) to red

Re: [Talk-transit] Criteria for inclusion

I add service=something to the relation to roughly describe what the type of service is. The ones I use a service=city, service=country, service=express, service=park_and_ride. I also add a rough weekday frequency (number of buses per hour off-peak). That way people can pick out stuff they want

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK

We're kinda proud of the fact that the government doesn't bother with such things as defining the centre of the town (or seasons). It's just one of those things that makes us different from ze French. So the place tag will be wherever people feel like (usually the nearest open space to the centre

Re: [OSM-talk] Road cores and casings on standard Mapnik rendering

The current tagging rules for links don't make life at all easy for the renderer, but I got flamed when I suggested that the link road should take the status of the lower classification (unless it's a motorway_link). It's compounded with various problems with how Mapnik handles layers and

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