Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-09-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/09/2010 10:22, Andy Allan wrote: ...leading to simply unbelievable volumes of email[3]. Too whinge purely because you can't deal with a few emails is childishness in itself. Dave F. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-09-01 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/01/2010 12:30 PM, John Smith wrote: On 1 September 2010 21:21, Rob Myers wrote: "The devil is in the details." CT+ODBL has a lot of fine print... So does BY-SA. And you should see GNU's GPL/copyright waiver/copyright assignment combination. They are all trying to be as complete as p

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-09-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 September 2010 21:21, Rob Myers wrote: > "The devil is in the details." CT+ODBL has a lot of fine print... > But going from these reasonable objections to accusing the actions of the > part of the community that you don't agree with of being dishonest, immoral > and detrimental is too much

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-09-01 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/01/2010 10:14 AM, John Smith wrote: On 1 September 2010 19:07, Rob Myers wrote: If you don't want the effects of a PD OSM for geodata, ODbL is a better way of ensuring this than BY-SA "The devil you know is better than the devil you don't" "The devil is in the details." At this stag

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-09-01 Thread Liz
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Richard Weait wrote: > Every time OSM contributors have been asked, they have supported ODbL > (or license change before ODbL had a name). All the way back to SotM > Manchester. And all the way forward through polls and surveys and more > SotM conferences. All the time, collab

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Jane Smith
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 1 September 2010 16:04, Jane Smith wrote: > > John Smith and I know the Truth. Frederik's books should be burnt. He is > an > > Apostle of the 'new license'. > > I would have said apostle of the CT because I highly doubt he'll be > content wi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread 80n
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Grant Slater wrote: > On 30 August 2010 10:36, Chris Browet wrote: > > As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM > > data without permissions, and it is thus not truly "open": > > - with CC-BY-SA, you'd have to ask every contributor

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:40:32AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 04:41:16AM +, Jane Smith wrote: > > copyright are the chains of the modern worker, holding to the means of > > Production. > > > > We all know copyright has maps. But data underneath is important so that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Rob Myers wrote: > On 08/31/2010 03:09 PM, Anthony wrote: >> >> So that's all allowed?  Okay then.  Let the games begin.  I can create >> a few extra gmail accounts to troll the list with too. > > I think it's more that we should ignore (people who we think are) o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Francis Davey
On 31 August 2010 12:25, Grant Slater wrote: > > Yes, this is the intent of the section 3 of the Contributor Terms. > It allows a mechanism for the community to adopt a new license in the > future. It is the main point of contension with some of the imported > dataset. > Might be worth sharpening