Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-20 Thread MJ Ray
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 20 Jan 2009, at 11:08, MJ Ray wrote: Appealing for patience is all well and good, but it sounds like if Peter hadn't acted when OSMF and the trademark agent had not acted in time, it might have become criminal to call some things openstreetmap tomorrow!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-20 Thread MJ Ray
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: [...] I.e. he was saying that nobody was needed to make it criminal - that the simple grant of a trademark would be sufficient to do that. I can't believe he's right but I think that's what he said. [...] If I hadn't been seeing this steadily

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, SteveC wrote: If you think I'm a total idiot, then yes, I would have tried to make it criminal to use an un-granted trade mark [...] I think MJ Ray's argument was that even *without* any action from the trade mark owner's part, use of the trademark by third parties without express

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peter Miller wrote: Saying 'bombarded' is hardly fair. For the record I email the board on the 23rd Dec and received no reply. I emailed again on the 8th Jan requesting a response to my earlier email and threatening to object the following day. I had a response but it was not clear. I

[OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Miller
I checked on the Intellectual Property Office's website over the weekend and discovered that the trademark applications previously discussed on this list were still in SteveC's personal name. This concerned me as the final date on which objections could be lodged for one of them was the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-19 Thread SteveC
Dear all Speaking from a personal point of view as the guy who founded the project, registered the domains and trademarks and all that... I can make absolutely clear I handed off all ownership of the domains and trademarks to the foundation. I would invite others to do the same for the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 Jan 2009, at 21:06, SteveC wrote: Peter of course knows all of this because he's been repeatedly bombarding board and team members with threatening emails. It's unfortunate that his core, often valid, concerns and objections are so often overtaken by personal attacks and bridge