Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
All, On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote: Does anyone know of applications in the OSM ecosystem that systematically download large areas' worth of Bing Aerial tiles? The license[0] implies that this is not allowed because 1) you cannot 'copy, store, archive, or create a

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Simon Poole
Sorry, but your statement wrt Bing imagery is not true (and very silly). Just because Bing/MS may have committed a minor breach of CC-by-SA 2.0 terms doesn't change anything wrt their rights in their products. You may naturally ask them to cease distributing such material and could potentially

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
discuss licensing. :-) Jochen On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:31:41AM +0200, Simon Poole wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:31:41 +0200 From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles Sorry, but your statement

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA. No, they are not. If they did that (I haven't followed the related threads and I don't know

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 11:51 schrieb Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com: Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make sense: consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a restrictive license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used X together

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
All, On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, but I have studied copyright law and cases and have actual friend as copyright lawyer (rarity even these days). There are many ways how this is not even close to any substantial copyright violation, and very few how it could be. First of all, there's not enough

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/29/2012 04:53 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: First of all, there's not enough proof of copyright violation. There's no proof that assumed deravative work is generated using our work That was my position initially as well but it has meanwhile been proven beyond reasonable doubt, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 05:53:12PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, but I have studied copyright law and cases and have actual friend as copyright lawyer (rarity even these days). There are many ways how this is not even close to any substantial copyright

[OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, Does anyone know of applications in the OSM ecosystem that systematically download large areas' worth of Bing Aerial tiles? The license[0] implies that this is not allowed because 1) you cannot 'copy, store, archive, or create a database of the content' (par.2) and 2) you must be 'using only