Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-04 Thread Milo van der Linden
2010/10/2 Serge Wroclawski > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > I think such a project would fail, and here are my reasons why: > > Success is never final, failure is never fatal. It's courage that counts. John Wooden

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dave F. wrote: > >> From what I understand, it appears that OSM is cutting ties with many of >> these due to the wording of the new license/CT. > > That's totally wrong. We're seeing greater commercial supp

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dave F. wrote: > From what I understand, it appears that OSM is cutting ties with many of > these due to the wording of the new license/CT. That's totally wrong. We're seeing greater commercial support than ever before, and we're seeing (for example) the French g

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Dave F.
On 02/10/2010 03:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 3) OSM has external organizational support OSM now has organizational, government and commercial support. That's something none of the forks will have. And for the pubic-domainers- any organization who wants to use the OSM stack without the OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > In 2002, the Spanish Wikipedia forked and people went to the other project. > The fork had to do with differences of project policies not license, the > fork died few years later.  Spanish Wikipedia grew more slowly as a result This is an imp

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm remote.org> writes: >There *must* have been some forking action when Wikipedia changed their >license from GFDL to CC-BY-SA I'm sure but I cannot find documentation >on that. I don't believe there was; Wikipedia had a vote of contributors on whether to change the licence, and bec

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread 80n
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious > if there are any other examples? > > I think it's wrong to think of these projects as forks in the same way as traditional software project forks. Certainly fosm.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Dave F.
On 02/10/2010 10:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 10/02/2010 02:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if there are any other examples? Wikipedia has a catalogue of forks, unfortunately mixed with mirrors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Christian Rogel
Le 02/10/10 09:59, Vincent Pottier a écrit : I'm not a lawer, but I think in the French law the moral fatherhood (paernité morale) can't be removed. So, zero attribution can't be a ggod solution for France. But, moral rights take not to change anyhing in the oeuvre without the rights owner's

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Sam Vekemans
wikia.com is an example of a wiki fork project. and it looks to be doing fine :) I like it as it hosts my acrosscanadatrails.wikia.com website. Its outside of wikipeda, and it's facebook integrated. wikimapia is also a fork project, and it's doing great. It has a function and surves a purpose.

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Katie Filbert
On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 10/02/2010 02:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if there are any other examples? Wikipedia has a catalogue of forks, unfortunately mixed with mirrors: http://en.wikipedia.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/02/2010 02:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if there are any other examples? Wikipedia has a catalogue of forks, unfortunately mixed with mirrors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks (I particularly

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Vincent Pottier wrote: > On 02/10/2010 05:51, Brendan Morley wrote: >> >> I actually investigated the use of public domain principles - however >> Australian copyright law does not allow it.  The best we can do is a CC BY >> with zero attribution.  If there's anyone

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 02/10/2010 05:51, Brendan Morley wrote: I actually investigated the use of public domain principles - however Australian copyright law does not allow it. The best we can do is a CC BY with zero attribution. If there's anyone out there who can let me know why zero attribution is not a goo

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-01 Thread Brendan Morley
Hi Serge, On 2/10/2010 12:04 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Now my opinion of any potential OpenStreetMap fork. I think such a project would fail, and here are my reasons why: If failure is the opposite of success, what are your criteria for success? 2) The forkers don't agree on the reason

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 October 2010 12:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > In general the reason a project forks is that the original project has > stagnated and the current maintainers are unresponsive. Or (as we're > seeing now with many of the Sun projects), the original maintainer is > no longer going to put resource

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-01 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Dave F. wrote: >  Hi > > With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if > there are any other examples? > > If so, what were their outcomes? Did any re-converge? OSM is a somewhat unique in that it's not a software project. In that way

[OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Hi With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if there are any other examples? If so, what were their outcomes? Did any re-converge? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstre