Hi,
On 05/28/2015 10:19 AM, Paweł Paprota wrote:
But what exactly is the problem that you're trying to solve with this
idea?
I think that OSM is a database of local knowledge and culture, not of
remote knowledge and culture added from afar. Therefore I find it out of
place for OSM to see that
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share my story.
We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game.
Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English
are most significant.
Now we're in open beta, you can look at the map at
On Thursday 28 May 2015, Komяpa wrote:
Let's take a case:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/286131994 - Slough, GB. Pronounced
/ˈslaʊ/, which corresponds to russian Слау.
Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough links to russian
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83.
On 2015-05-28 11:30, Komяpa wrote:
How do we cover this use case in OpenStreetMap, with its
eager-to-revert-names-in-languages-I-don't-speak users?
I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places that
are not in Russia? If you search for London, do you search for London or
El Jueves 28. mayo 2015 10.59.21 Steve Doerr escribió:
There might be a case for adding pronunciations (of 'difficult' names at
least) to the OSM database. Someone must have proposed a tagging scheme
for this, surely?
Yup. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Phonetics
--
I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places that are
not in Russia? If you search for London, do you search for London or do you
search for Лондон?
I know I am not searching for Москва, Новосибирск, or Владивосток when I
need Moscow, Novosibirsk or Wladiwostok. I can't
On Thursday 28 May 2015, Komяpa wrote:
People in Russia usually use russian names of objects.
Culturally, until google maps was invented, every family in xUSSR
seemed to have ~300-page world atlas, (
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81_%D0%BC%D
0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0),
Hello,
I'd like to share my story.
We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game.
Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English are
most significant.
Now we're in open beta, you can look at the map at
https://ru.wargaming.net/globalmap/
To release the map, we need
2015-05-28 11:41 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
But let's not get sidetracked, that's a different discussion from the
Wikidata question. I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list New Brige as
the English name of Pont Neuf or else they have a problem ;)
actually they do for
On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:11:32 +0200
Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 2015-05-28 11:30, Komяpa wrote:
How do we cover this use case in OpenStreetMap, with its
eager-to-revert-names-in-languages-I-don't-speak users?
I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/286131994 - Slough, GB.
Pronounced /ˈslaʊ/, which corresponds to russian Слау.
Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough links to russian
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83.
That translation was added
On 28/05/2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
It is my impression that a large proportion of name:xx tags in OSM are
added by naming specialists who do little else than large scale name
additions.
Nothing wrong with that, a lot of OSM contributors specialize in some
type of data.
On 28/05/2015, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/05/2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
If we could offload 99.99% of all name:xx tags to
Wikidata and keep them only in edge cases like your Scalinata di Trinità
dei Monti, why not? Why would a few cases in which
W dniu 28.05.2015 14:13, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a):
there are a lot of problems (you can read about them in this thread)
and yes, administrative entities, especially the basic ones like
admin_level 2-4, are easiest, you will encounter more problems with
different objects like geographic
On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo
(París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París)
Funny ah? Every single entity in wikidata I have looked at had some issues
in one or the other way, I
čet, 28. svi 2015. 00:11 David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com je napisao:
It would be great to have a dedicated wikibase install just for geographic
names, like GeoNames but part of openstreetmap.
Such database can be linked to Wikidata and then you can also have items
for every geographic
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:33 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo
(París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París)
Funny ah? Every single
On 28/05/2015 16:38, Andrew Guertin wrote:
A quick internet search shows plenty of results for Абергавенни,
including Wikipedia, hotel booking sites, and Harry Potter websites,
and by looking at Google's book results, you can see that it's been in
use since at least the 1800s. And with just
2015-05-28 13:56 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl:
So what's the problem?
there are a lot of problems (you can read about them in this thread) and
yes, administrative entities, especially the basic ones like admin_level
2-4, are easiest, you will encounter more problems with different
Hello,
name:pronunciation, as mentioned on that page, is in use in a few
problems, and would surely solve the Slough problem:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10021975/history
(though John Betjeman's idea might have been better)
Would you please recommend a tool to transform
On 05/28/2015 07:07 AM, SomeoneElse wrote:
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share my story.
We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game.
Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English
are most significant.
Now we're in open beta, you can
Hi,
we're seeing more and more name:xx tags on OSM objects.
Not only are speakers of widely used languages adding their language
tags all over the world; but rising interest in OSM also brings us to
the attention of language lovers and speakers of minority languages. The
less established a
Hi Fred,
Great question.
I feel that we should link to wikidata and this is a good example of why.
There are lots of things that are in wikidata that are not suitable for
OpenStreetMap tags but could be used by creative folk in a data maps
mashup. Looking at the entry for London [1] I see
On 27 May 2015 at 22:13, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
we're seeing more and more name:xx tags on OSM objects.
The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak
FYI, the equivalent Wikidata item is:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q84
You can see its names in various
I agree that OSM is not the proper place to record every possible
translation of every place name. And I think that Wikidata should be that
proper place and just leave the few name:xx tags in place for the major
languages that are spoken in that place, and only if the name is not a
straight-up
OpenStreetMap is the spatial representation of the world - wouldn't it make
sense then to also store the translations for locations in OpenStreetMap?
If there are storage or editor UI issues, would it be worthwhile solving
them to enable translation?
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Eugene
: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
Dagsetning: 27/05/2015 21:51 (GMT+00:00)
Til: talk@openstreetmap.org
Efni: Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
Hi Fred,
Great question.
I feel that we should link to wikidata and this is a good example of why. There
are lots
It would be great to have a dedicated wikibase install just for geographic
names, like GeoNames but part of openstreetmap.
Such database can be linked to Wikidata and then you can also have items
for every geographic object.
I guess it is hard to make it happen, otherwise it would be done
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