[OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Richard Weait
Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines expressed in the first portion of the Code of Conduct DRAFT found here?

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.10.2010 10:05, schrieb Richard Weait: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Yes, unless absolutely necessary (which I currently can't see), we should *absolutely* avoid such guidelines.

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? I'm at a loss to understand how asking people to follow simple rules like be collaborative and be considerate could end up

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Richard Weait
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels?  Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Al Haraka
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? I'm at a loss to understand how asking people

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 October 2010 19:08, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: initiatives mentioned before. However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list after a hiatus. Collaboration and consideration Most of the caustic

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Al Haraka
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2010 19:08, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: initiatives mentioned before.  However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 October 2010 19:21, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: I did not single out anyone on purpose, because this is not going to be productive OR solve the current issue. Whether it is SteveC or any This thread/idea started because of suggestions made previously by SteveC and now he's the

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.10.2010 10:54, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:32:32 +0200 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm very much in favour of adopting such a policy. At the very least, we can then stop debating whether or not we need such policies, and whether or not people's behaviour is harmful - we can simply discuss

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: As an alternative, consider email filters.  Filters can be per sender or per keyword, depending on your email system. I guess these are two totally different schools of thought: 1) There is one community, one pool of

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for exact this reason. And the English Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.10.2010 14:15, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? It's a good idea in theory, but I'm afraid it wouldn't work in practice within

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Richard Weait
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels?  Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. You, too, are another example of someone using a fake name and occasionally trolling, Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 3:13 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmmm, you obviously did not read the Violations_and_Enforcement section of the wiki page :-( My mistake. Yeah, it's not well worded. It has a top-down heavy-handed feel to it: Be good. Or bad things will happen to

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 October 2010 00:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. What specifically has any of that to do with OSM? You, too, are another example of someone using a fake name and occasionally

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. What specifically has any of that to

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward.

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Well that's kind of hilarious given you cut out the first half of my email where I exactly answered your question Duane. Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 October 2010 01:16, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Well that's kind of hilarious given you cut out the first half of my email where I exactly answered your question Duane. What ever you say Mark, but then again I've come to expect side stepping from you, making any claim you wish

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Fair point Dave. I'm joining you guys and filtering from now on. :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, John Smith

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Saturday 16 October 2010 17:40:36 SteveC wrote: :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\   ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\   ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Saturday 16 October 2010 17:40:36 SteveC wrote: :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. 1) You've done much more than that, publicly insulting many people other than myself. 2) Even if your claims about me were true,

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:40:36 -0600 SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Fair point Dave. I'm joining you guys and filtering from now on. :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ This is why I find this