Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-29 Thread Simon Poole
I don't think any level of whataboutism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) will change that the default editor on osm.org has a special (and very coveted) position. So while I agree that in principle we should expect the same level of care from all apps that edit OSM data via the API,

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-29 Thread Lester
On 29/05/2019 01:10, Clifford Snow wrote: Why should one editor be held to higher standards than others? Shouldn't they all be held to the same standard? As someone who still fights to keep potlatch2 working locally then yes all options should be judged to the same standard, and there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-29 Thread Yves
To avoid hurting any sensibilities, I'd say this is maybe not the best way to go in its form. Why not organizing a kind of audit with a review process that would be coordinated? Otherwise I fear this page could just end up being a list for everybody pet rant. Yves Le 29 mai 2019 00:46:42

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-29 Thread Michał Brzozowski
That's a good point, let's make a list about MAPS.ME. In the countries where there's a community to fix the mess it's not that bad, but elsewhere like the Middle East... - Limited set of available POI types to add and no choice for "not on the list". Like people adding amenity=motorcycle_parking

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. May 2019, at 07:45, Maarten Deen wrote: > > IMHO the strategy for adding roads also should be on this list. The > optionlist to add accessrights for "all, foot, motorvehicles, bicycle, horse" > resulting in a foot=yes, motorvehicle=yes, bicycle=yes, horse=yes on

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Maarten Deen
IMHO the strategy for adding roads also should be on this list. The optionlist to add accessrights for "all, foot, motorvehicles, bicycle, horse" resulting in a foot=yes, motorvehicle=yes, bicycle=yes, horse=yes on all roads is creating redundant tagging. Maarten On 2019-05-29 06:29, Andrew

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
29 May 2019, 02:45 by jwhelan0...@gmail.com: > I understand in NYC a relative newcomer using the new validation feature of > iD has made a very large number of changes to NYC and that I think is the > sort of thing we wish to avoid. > Note that it becomes problem only when combined with

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Andrew Harvey
I'm not sure if this should be added, but at the time how iD decided to add presets for lifeguards facilities was controversial. We used to have documented on the wiki and in use: emergency=lifeguard_place emergency=lifeguard_base emergency=lifeguard_tower emergency=lifeguard_platform Which each

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread John Whelan
The problem is www.openstreetmap.org has a link to edit OSM.  When it was first put in it probably was a very reasonable thing to do but we do not have a change management system in place and over time iD has changed. The real problem is new mappers will naturally edit OSM through the link

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Why should one editor be held to higher standards than others? Shouldn't they all be held to the same standard? On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:53 PM john whelan wrote: > The problem with iD is the fact that it is the default editor on the web > page of the website which implies that everything is

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread john whelan
The problem with iD is the fact that it is the default editor on the web page of the website which implies that everything is OpenStreetMap approved which unfortunately is not the case. If it's placed as the default editor then I think it needs to be held to a higher standard or some sort of

Re: [OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Michael, Don't you think to be fair that you should include all outside projects, such as JOSM, Potlatch, CartoCSS, etc? None of them are controlled by OSMF as far as I know. To just look at one software project seems like we already reached a decision, we just need the data to back it up. Best,

[OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

2019-05-28 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, I started documenting controversial decisions by the maintainers of iD at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID/Controversial_Decisions Currently, only the highway=footway and the nonsquare=yes issue are mentioned. Please feel free to add other issues which have proofed controversial so