Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. What I suggest is to keep the current place key as a first argument to prioritize places and use either population or admin_level as a second argument in case the first is equal. So if Paris is declared twice as a place=town

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Gustav Foseid wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think we could do with a richer hierarchy something like this: metropolis 500,000 city 100,000 large_town 25,000? 40,000? town 10,000

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a very bad idea IMHO. This is just trying to fix what's wrong with the town/city/village tags with more of the same tags. In my opinion, the main problem is that it lacks granularity. I have no way to say this town is

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Gustav Foseid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a very bad idea IMHO. This is just trying to fix what's wrong with the town/city/village tags with more of the same tags. I don't understand the

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is coming because the name finder gives the same importance to Paris, USA and Paris, France (or something like that). Instead of making more artificial granularity on the place hierarchy which is just moving the

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Gustav Foseid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you propose to replace place=hamlet/village/town/city with a place=populated_place (or something similar) and just use otehr metrics for rendering London

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places search results

2008-11-30 Thread Gervase Markham
Tom Chance wrote: Search 3 - Show pinpoints for the results on the map, so at least you can quickly discard all those results from the wrong side of the globe. Search 4 - use the current viewport as a hint. Gerv ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-29 Thread Pieren
A forth possibility is to use the relation boundary where admin_level is provided: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary If two places are in the same place (e.g. Paris France - US), then it can be sorted by the lowest admin_level. And admin_level is already an attempt to give a

[OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread David Earl
The discussion of finding Paris Ontario equated to Paris France just now reminds me to raise again the granularity of our place hierarchy. Notwithstanding value judgements people make about what is a town, not just based on population, I still think we need some more levels in the city - town -

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places search results

2008-11-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/11/2008 11:42, Tom Chance wrote: Two tagging thoughts and three search ideas... All very helpful suggestions. I will look at taking those on board (though some are more TomH's end than mine). One thing that would help a lot is if US places were assigned is_in tags. There's quite al ot I

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/11/2008 11:48, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: There aren't that many cities with duplicate/multiple names. So I'd guess a wiki page where they are listed and the community decides a stacking order would be straightforward enough. Obviously doing it at lower levels this approach

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places search results

2008-11-28 Thread Tom Chance
Sorry, neglected to send this to the list... On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:14:54 +, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion of finding Paris Ontario equated to Paris France just now reminds me to raise again the granularity of our place hierarchy. Notwithstanding value judgements

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 28 November 2008 11:15 AM To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places The discussion of finding Paris Ontario equated to Paris France just now reminds me to raise again

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Earl wrote: Another possibility is to make judgements about importance based on land area. A third possiblity would be, instead of defining the importance up-front from some tags or database information, to compute importance from how often something is sought or viewed. Google

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/11/2008 16:23, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 12:09 +, David Earl wrote: Some kind of importance tag could do the job, but how we define it in a reasonably objective way that could be applied to more than just a few special cases is hard, unless we use things like

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-11-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/11/2008 18:02, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 17:16 +, David Earl wrote: On 28/11/2008 16:23, Richard Weait Population also gives us a nice objective data point that can often be found on the sign at the edge of town. It's been in map features for a while. We just