Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-15 Thread Maning Sambale
Hi, > Maplint data seems to indicate tons of duplicated nodes in the area. My fault, due to interrupted uploads of buildings. I have been editing them accordingly. Bear with them for a couple of days as I finish the editing. cheers, maning ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-14 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hoffmann schrieb: > maning sambale wrote: > >> More work cleaning up some missing ways due to GML linestring errors. >> Still, BEAUTIFUL! > > Looks really nice. But there seems to be something in the data, that > prevents rendering since the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:09 AM, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At zoom level 4, placenames for major cities appear, but no country > names at any level. > Perhaps, there should be one for levels 4-6. FWIW, the coastline checker shows countrynames. That way you still had an idea of

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of >> finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the >> Philippines'. A single lookup to find ALL the bo

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of > finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the > Philippines'. A single lookup to find ALL the boundaries you are currentl

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: > But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of > finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the > Philippines'. No, not necessarily. Because the boundary data is freely available, whether in raw planet.osm form or in post-pro

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > >> I suggest setting up a server dedicated to grabbing a planet every week, >> processing it for boundaries, and automatically generating the is_in tags. > > Server and boundary-processing is great; don't think we should > automatically ad

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Hakan Tandogan
On Thu, April 10, 2008 12:15, Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hakan Tandogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> I don't doubt your reasoning that borders would be far better than >> is_in, but sometimes you have to resort to "kludges" to get something >> off the ground *toda

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > > >> Something that has already been discussed is an information box for the >> corner of a map with reference data, but without information accessible >> quickly from the data how do you populate that box? Cached data on a tile >> by tile basis may be possible, but i

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > I suggest setting up a server dedicated to grabbing a planet every week, > processing it for boundaries, and automatically generating the is_in tags. Server and boundary-processing is great; don't think we should automatically add is_in tags, though. If (as you, And

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hakan Tandogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't doubt your reasoning that borders would be far better than is_in, > but sometimes you have to resort to "kludges" to get something off the > ground *today* Sure. > instead of some at future date when we hav

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Allan wrote: >> Something that has already been discussed is an information box for the >> corner >> of a map with reference data, but without information accessible quickly >> from >> the data how do you populate that box? Cached data on a tile by tile basis >> may >> be possible, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Hakan Tandogan
On Thu, April 10, 2008 11:33, Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to >> place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be >> wasting my time now putting together

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to >> place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be >> wasting my time now putting together a 'proposal' for good practi

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
> Something that has already been discussed is an information box for the > corner of a map with reference data, but without information accessible > quickly from the data how do you populate that box? Cached data on a tile > by tile basis may be possible, but it still requires access to the raw

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread maning sambale
To make it more complex for the Philippines: - has 7,100 (more or less) islands - Administrative boundaries are country, region, province, municipality/city/town, barangay - some administrative jurisdiction are covered by a number of islands - some administrative jurisdiction are partially wit

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: > How come it's not the same problem? > Where do you get the information from as to WHICH Naga City or even which > country you are looking at? Er, by looking at the map, that's what maps are designed to tell you. cheers Richard _

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Indeed they haven't. But "making OSM fully relational" is not at all > > the same as "adding place labels to countries on small scale maps". > > Being able to find out where Naga City is only requires the latter. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: > >> Richard - I have been banging on about the complete anarchy in >> relational data >> for over three years now and I don't think that any of the proposals to tidy >> things up have been accepted. > > Indeed they haven't. But "making OSM fully

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to > place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be > wasting my time now putting together a 'proposal' for good practice for > handling the si

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: > Richard - I have been banging on about the complete anarchy in > relational data > for over three years now and I don't think that any of the proposals to tidy > things up have been accepted. Indeed they haven't. But "making OSM fully relational" is not at all the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Lester Caine
maning sambale wrote: > At zoom level 4, placenames for major cities appear, but no country > names at any level. > Perhaps, there should be one for levels 4-6. This is part of the missing hierarchy of identification data. We do need the data before it can be rendered. > I do remember that we ad

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread maning sambale
At zoom level 4, placenames for major cities appear, but no country names at any level. Perhaps, there should be one for levels 4-6. I do remember that we added a node tagged as country and name Philippines. Do I need to add an is_in tag for every island (7100 + high tide or low tide)? maning O

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: > I repeat - WHERE are you getting that information by zooming out. > Nothing says that this group of islands is the Philippines They're just right and down a bit from Hong Kong, which is where the Philippines are generally to be found. The easy way to distinguish them f

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Lester Caine
Chris Hill wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: >> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: >> >>> >>> The map looks nice. But once again it took some detective work to establish WHERE in the world we were looking :( >>> By "detective work" you mean, like, zooming out? :-P >>> >> >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Lester Caine
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > >> The map looks nice. But once again it took some detective work to >> establish WHERE in the world we were looking :( > > By "detective work" you mean, like, zooming out? :-P No - where do you get the information on which Naga city we are looking at by zooming ou

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
> The map looks nice. But once again it took some detective work to > establish WHERE in the world we were looking :( By "detective work" you mean, like, zooming out? :-P -- Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja.

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Lester Caine
maning sambale wrote: > Beautiful! > http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=13.62397052773088&lon=123.18169016162223&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F > >> > > http://gis.naga.gov.ph/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Data > > Thanks to IvanSanchez and the NAGA City GIS team! > > More work cleaning up some missing

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Patrick Weber
Also, this is quite a powerful comparison: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=123.1866717&lat=13.6237576&z=15 way to go Google ! maning sambale wrote: Beautiful! http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=13.62397052773088&lon=123.18169016162223&zoom=17&layers=B

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
maning sambale wrote: >More work cleaning up some missing ways due to GML linestring errors. >Still, BEAUTIFUL! Looks really nice. But there seems to be something in the data, that prevents rendering since the 4th. There must have been hundreds of tries until now. >From http://tah.openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread maning sambale
bdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maning sambale > Sent: 09 April 2008 11:53 > To: Iván Sánchez Ortega; talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM >

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread Steve Chilton
Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maning sambale Sent: 09 April 2008 11:53 To: Iván Sánchez Ortega; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM Beautiful! http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=13.623970

[OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-09 Thread maning sambale
Beautiful! http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=13.62397052773088&lon=123.18169016162223&zoom=17&layers=B000F000F > > > http://gis.naga.gov.ph/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Data Thanks to IvanSanchez and the NAGA City GIS team! More work cleaning up some missing ways due to GML linestring errors. St