Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Erik Johansson wrote: FTR I think you all should map for child strollers and add ramp=yes/no tag to steps.. :-) You may be kidding, but that actually is a useful feature for wheelchair access - wheelchair routing is a special case of pedestrian routing, that requires this sort of tag...

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Jens Müller b...@tessarakt.de wrote: Am 03.05.2010 19:29, schrieb Richard Mann: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, I thought a router is

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-10 Thread Pieren
I don't care very much about your routes, if they have to figure out in OSM or not and how to tag them. What I don't want is to see the roads, streets, avenues, boulevards cut at each intersection because some route is turning left or turning right at that point. I start to see this in Paris where

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-10 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 09.05.2010 13:18, Jens Müller wrote: Am 03.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Felix Hartmann: Subject: Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle What do you mean by Autorouting? Something else than just routing? Well when I say autorouting I mean that a computer

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-10 Thread steve brown
Hey Felix In OpenSatNav we use the phrase turn by turn routing or turn by turn navigation. Some call it real time or live navigation. Steve On 10 May 2010 15:05, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 09.05.2010 13:18, Jens Müller wrote: Am 03.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Felix

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-09 Thread Jens Müller
Am 03.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Felix Hartmann: Subject: Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle What do you mean by Autorouting? Something else than just routing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-09 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jens Müller b...@tessarakt.de wrote: Am 03.05.2010 19:29, schrieb Richard Mann: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, I thought a router is

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-09 Thread Jens Müller
Am 09.05.2010 21:16, schrieb Erik Johansson: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jens Müllerb...@tessarakt.de wrote: Am 03.05.2010 19:29, schrieb Richard Mann: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists),

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: On 03.05.2010 21:47, Ben Laenen wrote: Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your route suggestions, and there's no reason why this should be in the OSM database. Well

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 04.05.2010 11:40, Ben Laenen wrote: Felix Hartmann wrote: On 03.05.2010 21:47, Ben Laenen wrote: Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your route suggestions, and there's no

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Richard Mann wrote: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, perhaps network=lcn+status=unofficial+signposted=no. But Andy's a strict objectivist, which rather gets in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Anton Martchukov
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 10:19:39AM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: After fifteen years of riding across Paris, I have developed a pretty good mental model of the city. I would not be capable of describing my routing algorithm offhand, but it features (in decreasing order of objectivity)

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread David Fawcett
You may be interested in the CycloPath project. http://cyclopath.org/ It is an OSM-like project for bicycle routes in Minneapolis - St. Paul, Minnesota, USA. A user can edit the cycle 'ways' and rate preferences for different ways. CycloPath can then generate preferable routes for that user.

[OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Felix Hartmann
Even though there is a huge userbase in OSM that are avic cyclists, most of the information is still car centric, even though there are good intentions to change this. The problem is, we are living in a motorcar centric society, hence our whole road network is based on the idea to enable

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Richard Mann
I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, perhaps network=lcn+status=unofficial+signposted=no. But Andy's a strict objectivist, which rather gets in the way of documenting this sort

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 03.05.2010 19:29, Richard Mann wrote: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, perhaps network=lcn+status=unofficial+signposted=no. But Andy's a strict objectivist, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: If in OSM we really want to get in more mountainbikers, we have to start with unofficial routes. I will think about it for the night, and put up a wiki page tomorrow, put some notices on this on the big forums (hopefully they will get ~5000 pageviews, put them in my

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 03.05.2010 21:47, Ben Laenen wrote: Felix Hartmann wrote: If in OSM we really want to get in more mountainbikers, we have to start with unofficial routes. I will think about it for the night, and put up a wiki page tomorrow, put some notices on this on the big forums (hopefully they

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Felix Hartmann wrote: Sadly though many people in OSM are not able to leave their small focussed mind and cannot espace their caged mind and try to use a motorist perspective to do bicycle autorouting (e.g. CycleStreets http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CycleStreets or

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Ben Laenen wrote: Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your route suggestions, and there's no reason why this should be in the OSM database. -1

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.05.2010 21:12, schrieb Felix Hartmann: My actual position on this is, I will write a wiki page, with a note to say bug off people against unofficial routes (because for mountainbiking they will in a matter of days be largely more than signposted routes), we will tag them

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: I think routers would be better served if we identify good through routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and record them as relations, perhaps network=lcn+status=unofficial+signposted=no. But Andy's a strict

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 04.05.2010 01:41, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 03.05.2010 21:12, schrieb Felix Hartmann: My actual position on this is, I will write a wiki page, with a note to say bug off people against unofficial routes (because for mountainbiking they will in a matter of days be largely more than