Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Personally I use 'save mode' in P1 with the approach "save early, save > (very) often". Once you've made your first save (with changeset comment) > it's only a matter of pressing 'S' now and then, which'll bring up a > progress dialogue f

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: > I note someone below saying Potlatch 2 will only have the offline > mode. Ugh. That's a real pity. Live mode is more complex to code (and, hence, a potential source of bugs) by an order of magnitude. Stuff like merging ways and undo is incredibly convoluted in P1 because of

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, NopMap wrote: > - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember > the question has been raised before, but I just can't think of any use case > where I' need to mess up the data directly with no undo. I only ever use the Live Edit mode.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 August 2010 07:04, Peter Wendorff wrote: > I don't think that would help: I tried out OSM a few years ago, fixing a > very few bugs and left again. > Restarting this year using my old account I had no idea how to edit - so if > that approach is a good idea, I would prefer changeset counts to

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 21.08.2010 21:57, Marjan Vrban wrote: [..] I suggest different approach to same problem, limt "Live edit" only to members 3 months old and more. I don't think that would help: I tried out OSM a few years ago, fixing a very few bugs and left again. Restarting this year using my old account I

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Marjan Vrban
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 03:55:28 -0700 (PDT), NopMap wrote: > Hi! > > I am currently writing a How-To for people who have heard about OSM five > minutes ago and whish to contribute some specific POI information. Getting > to the point where they open Potlatch and need to click the Save or Live > mode

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:55 AM, NopMap wrote: > > > Hi! > > I am currently writing a How-To for people who have heard about OSM five > minutes ago and whish to contribute some specific POI information. Hi Nop, I've been writing some HowTos for beginners as well. Let me know if these help. Ind

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Graham Jones
Jukka, I think the issue about messing up relations is almost the definition of a 'simple editor' - if it needs to do things with relations, it is getting too complex and a full featured editor should be used instead. The one I was talking about only lets you change specific tags on nodes or ways,

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, NopMap wrote: - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember the question has been raised before, but I just can't think of any use case where I' need to mess up the data directly with no undo. I'm surprised that nobody has yet pointed out that * Potlatch has

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread NopMap
Hi! Shaun McDonald wrote: > > Rather than speeding time making changes to the current editor, the > developers have decided to spend time on the new editor. > I can't really consider this a valid argument. Removing that single question and replacing it with a default answer should take about

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread NopMap
It sounds like Potlatch 2 with a limited, custom list of presets might be exactly what I need. I wasn't even aware that it was in any usable state, but it is probably less dangerous to guide new users to a customized alpha version than let them loose with Potlach in live mode. Drats, another thi

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Graham Jones googlemail.com> writes: > > > Hi, > I think improving the documentation for new users (and experienced ones too!) is a really good idea - I think we lack information for the casual new user. > > The disadvantage of directing this group to Potlatch is that they need to understand q

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Aug 2010, at 11:55, NopMap wrote: > > > Hi! > > I am currently writing a How-To for people who have heard about OSM five > minutes ago and whish to contribute some specific POI information. Getting > to the point where they open Potlatch and need to click the Save or Live > mode buttons,

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/21 NopMap : > Hi! > I am trying to interest new people. But that means sending absolutely > clueless folks here and one wrong click at that point and they can mess up > the area for good without even knowing it. > - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember > t

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread Graham Jones
Hi, I think improving the documentation for new users (and experienced ones too!) is a really good idea - I think we lack information for the casual new user. The disadvantage of directing this group to Potlatch is that they need to understand quite a few concepts before they can really do anythin

[OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-21 Thread NopMap
Hi! I am currently writing a How-To for people who have heard about OSM five minutes ago and whish to contribute some specific POI information. Getting to the point where they open Potlatch and need to click the Save or Live mode buttons, I have become painfully aware on how this is inviting des