Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:19 AM, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think?  I know that there are a bazillion amenity tags already in use but I think that going forward a better organized system will be worth the effort of implementing it. I think the whole wiki page needs

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/06/2009 10:27, Pieren wrote: I think the whole wiki page needs reorganization. I would suggest to move the full list of tags into subpages (one for landuse, one for amenity, etc) and keep on Map Features only the top 5 or 10 most popular tags of each category. Doing this, the wiki page

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/06/2009 00:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? I think why bother. Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people (ab)using it to their heart's content, so what's the big

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 24/6/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Please don't do that! If you're not sure what category something comes under, it's really hard to find if it is on a page organised by category. If I want a windmill, say, I can search for windmill as things stand without

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Maarten Deen
David Earl wrote: On 24/06/2009 00:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? I think why bother. Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people (ab)using it to their heart's content, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Ken Guest
A better exercise, I think, would be to create an A4 sized cheatsheet of common POIs and how they should generally be tagged - something that people can print out and laminate to either use themselves or distribute at mapping parties that could be used as an aid for when one is out mapping and

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Hill
Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:19 AM, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? I know that there are a bazillion amenity tags already in use but I think that going forward a better organized system will be worth the effort of implementing it. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Ken Guestk...@linux.ie wrote: A better exercise, I think, would be to create an A4 sized cheatsheet of common POIs and how they should generally be tagged - something that people can print out and laminate to either use themselves or distribute at mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Radomír Černoch
Hi, I quite like the idea. For people, who think about using OSM data in their project, clarity of tag structure might be an important issue. I think why bother. Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people (ab)using it to

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/06/2009 11:39, Radomír Černoch wrote: The question is whether to choose chaos or less chaos. I think it's still a significant difference. Are there any serious reasons why not to bother? Yes, because it means changing all the editors, all the renderers and other consumers and relearning

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Please don't do that! If you're not sure what category something comes under, it's really hard to find if it is on a page organised by category. If I want a windmill, say, I can search for windmill as things stand

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren Pieren wrote: I think the whole wiki page needs to be taken outside and shot. Arguing over the presentation on the wiki isn't really the issue. What the tags are, and how they're documented, are two separate things. But like Ævar says, talk is cheap, and though many of us feel strongly

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Ed Avis
gregory at arenius.com writes: Death: *Graveyard *Crematorium I think there is some difference between a graveyard and a churchyard, so the latter should also be a tag. Education: *School *College *Library *University Also need nursery/preschool. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 24/6/09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: When the wiki pages are well structured (and named), you can use the search function, type windmill and you find the right page. I simply cannot imagine how far the Map Features page will be extended to list all possible amenities,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Arguing over the presentation on the wiki isn't really the issue. What the tags are, and how they're documented, are two separate things. But like Ævar says, talk is cheap, and though many of us feel strongly that

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: I'm not talking about the whole wiki, just the Map Features page. As was I. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Proposed-Amenity-Reorganization-tp24176224p24183557.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Pieren schrieb: I would suggest to move the full list of tags into subpages (one for landuse, one for amenity, etc) and keep on Map Features only the top 5 or 10 most popular tags of each category. Doing this, the wiki page is much smaller but still gives a good idea of each category. Less

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:53:27 +0200 (CEST), Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: A reason to do better categorizations would be to ease conversion to mobile (or online) routeplanners, which already have some sort of categorization in amenities. Please give examples here. Are you sure there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Maarten Deen
Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Arguing over the presentation on the wiki isn't really the issue. What the tags are, and how they're documented, are two separate things. But like Ævar says, talk is cheap, and though many of us feel

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Heiko Jacobs
greg...@arenius.com schrieb: The amenity key is currently used for so many different things that it has no meaning. Indeed. But that's no problem, because the key amenity don't bear some information of an object. You can waive amenity and you may only say school=yes without loss of

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Jack Stringer
I have commented on several points that have been raised. *Death To start with that is the wrong word to be using. I am not sure what you should use. Imagine saying to the wife 'Just need to go to the funeral to bury dad so I will search OSM, category Death then search for the funeral homes'

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread Alan Millar
A reason to do better categorizations would be to ease conversion to mobile (or online) routeplanners, which already have some sort of categorization in amenities. Please give examples here. Are you sure there is just ONE way to categorize and that not every second application(not just

[OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-23 Thread gregory
The amenity key is currently used for so many different things that it has no meaning. It has become a catch all category for everything that doesn't have a place elsewhere. I'm proposing breaking it up into more keys to help make things more organized. Proposed keys: *Amenity *Death

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? I think why bother. Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people (ab)using it to their heart's content, so what's the big deal. If you're so intent on giving structure to

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-23 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Mittwoch 24 Juni 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? you are not the first to suggest something like that ;-) I also think that a change would be fine, but my approach was a little bit different. anyway, I'm using my scheme in my application