Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-09-01 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/30/2010 10:41 AM, Graham Jones wrote: I think we might need some finer grained assessment of c, because as my son gets bigger (or I get older!) I am finding I give up on more tracks than I used to... Does anyone know if there is such a scheme in use already, or would we need to invent a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Then mark the reasons it's not suitable. We have this same discussion with cycling (in fact, Peter Miller had an entire presentation on this issue

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 30/08/2010 14:53, Steve Bennett wrote: So you could end up mapping highway=path; bicycle=yes; width=1; surface=dirt; in great detail, and totally miss the fact it's unrideable. Use mtb:scale and/or sac_scale, to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Then mark the reasons it's not suitable. We have this same discussion with cycling (in fact, Peter Miller had an entire presentation on this issue at SOTM09 - he just suggested the wrong solution :-) ). One persons

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-30 Thread Craig Wallace
On 30/08/2010 14:53, Steve Bennett wrote: So you could end up mapping highway=path; bicycle=yes; width=1; surface=dirt; in great detail, and totally miss the fact it's unrideable. Use mtb:scale and/or sac_scale, to tag how ridable/hikable it is.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-30 Thread Graham Jones
Hi All, I think the use of the existing tagging schemes for bicycle suitability is the way to go - no point inventing another scheme. One that I would like to use though is a scale for wheelchair accessibility. I envisage a scheme along the lines of the mtb one where you could have the range:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
allow a wheelchair user to realize I can reach point X on the trail, but will then have to turn back. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway,trail? From :mailto:grahamjones...@googlemail.com Date :Mon Aug 30 10:41:10 America

[OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-27 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
It's not detailled enough. A path is too narrow for a 4 wheels vehicle like a car but not for a 2 wheels vehicle like a moped or a motorbike (or no While that is often true, the criteria goes the other way: - if the way is too narrow to fit a car (hey, my summer car is only 1.48 m wide) or a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-27 Thread Konrad Skeri
Snowmobiles (http://www.google.se/images?q=snowmobile) have a total trackwith of about 1 m, so they are definitely narrower than cars. Konrad 2010/8/26 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: [...] I don't know if snowmobiles are narrower than cars. [...]

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-27 Thread Robert Kaiser
Pieren schrieb: a 2 wheels vehicle like a moped or a motorbike (or no wheels like a snowmobile ;-). Who says that a snowmobile doesn't have wheels? http://home.kairo.at/?d=gi=449m=ff.i=22196 (at the right - and yes, Elvis was crazy for wanting to drive a snowmobile in Memphis) ;-) Sorry, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/27 Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at: Who says that a snowmobile doesn't have wheels? http://home.kairo.at/?d=gi=449m=ff.i=22196 (at the right - and yes, yes, you can find all kind of weirdos, but generally they don't look like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1951B12a.jpg

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:12 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Wouldn't that only be used on the section of the path that actually has the steps, however?  I am wondering how (or if) you would tag the entire path to indicate that you can, legally, use a bicycle or motorcycle on

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Ben Laenen
Maarten Deen wrote: As highway=path means no motorized traffic, it might be a footpath or cyclepath or bridleway (or others). That's the more specific part. highway=path doesn't mean no motorized traffic, if means no wide vehicles. So no cars, but mopeds are still allowed. Greetings Ben

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway= path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Maarten Deen
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:28:53 +0200, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: As highway=path means no motorized traffic, it might be a footpath or cyclepath or bridleway (or others). That's the more specific part. highway=path doesn't mean no motorized traffic, if means no

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:34:26 Maarten Deen wrote: That is not how it is described in the wiki: Then the wiki is wrong. In the initial discussions about the path tag, one of the things that kept cropping up was: snowmobile trail. Snowmobiles are definitely motorised. -- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Pieren
n Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:34:26 Maarten Deen wrote: That is not how it is described in the wiki: Then the wiki is wrong. It's not detailled enough. A path is too narrow for a 4 wheels vehicle like a car but not for a 2

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread John F. Eldredge
reserved for cases where there is a sign stating that restriction. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway,trail? From :mailto:pier...@gmail.com Date :Thu Aug 26 08:07:18 America/Chicago 2010 n Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/26 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: What additional tag would one use to state that a particular path is not advisable for vehicular use (for instance, because it contains steps at one or more points), but doesn't have a sign forbidding vehicular use? this is not to solve by

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: n Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:34:26 Maarten Deen wrote: That is not how it is described in the wiki: Then the wiki is wrong. I agree with Cartinus here: the wiki is wrong. Path is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread John F. Eldredge
to tag a path in such a manner would be if it had stepping-stones across a stream, rather than a bridge. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail? From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Thu Aug 26 14:59:01 America

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/26 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Wouldn't that only be used on the section of the path that actually has the steps, however? yes, of course. And dependant where (how far) you want to go, it might also be suitable to take the path. I am wondering how (or if) you would tag the

[OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Greg Corradini
I've been looking at a lot of hiking trails on OSM in the Cascade Mountains near Seattle. I've noticed a few different tags in regard to trail GPS traces (highway=path,highway=footway,highway=trail,highway=footpath). The wiki page on US roads tagging recommendations only has the following advice

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Mike N.
: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:30 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway,trail? I've been looking at a lot of hiking trails on OSM in the Cascade Mountains near Seattle. I've noticed a few different tags in regard to trail GPS traces

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway= path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Maarten Deen
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:30:18 -0700, Greg Corradini gregcorrad...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking at a lot of hiking trails on OSM in the Cascade Mountains near Seattle. I've noticed a few different tags in regard to trail GPS traces