Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-15 12:16 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole : > Apple: the Foundation has engaged (documented) multiple times with the > company on this matter, even though, as you VERY well know, the data > they use is pre-licence change and the OSMF has no IP rights in the > data. While not ideal, the current attrib

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:44 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 15/03/2014, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> On 14.03.2014 23:21, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >>> There's one fairly obvious to me : the share-alike requirement is >>> necessary to enforce the attribution requirement (otherwise any user >>> could

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2014-03-15 19:04, colliar wrote: On 14.03.2014 19:12, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-ad

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-15 Thread colliar
On 14.03.2014 19:12, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: >> I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? > > Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist How about addi

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 15/03/2014, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 14.03.2014 23:21, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >> There's one fairly obvious to me : the share-alike requirement is >> necessary to enforce the attribution requirement (otherwise any user >> could just change the license to one that doesn't require >> attributio

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-15 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 15/03/2014, Fernando Trebien wrote: > I now agree that the "layer" tag should be used as locally as > possible, so I think Richard had good intentions when proposing this. > At the same time, I think you, Frederik, has a good point that > arriving at a threshold for that number is quite hard. W

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 14.03.2014 23:21, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > There's one fairly obvious to me : the share-alike requirement is > necessary to enforce the attribution requirement (otherwise any user > could just change the license to one that doesn't require > attribution). It would not be legal for them to get

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-15 Thread Fernando Trebien
I think stereotyping by nationality is quite un-OSM too. (I'm Brazilian, btw.) I think validators have a significant role in the current problem: we need a warning about missing bridges/tunnels when two ways overlap, regardless of the value in the "layer" tag of either way. This will discourage th

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 15.03.2014 14:44, Richard Z. wrote: > I think it would be good to agree on something... > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:layer#Maximum_recommended_segment_length_of_ways_tagged_with_layer I think that choosing some fixed number would be un-OSM. Your idea that length limits sh

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Phil! Gold
* Alex Barth [2014-03-13 10:26 -0400]: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 This is really similar to the discussions that periodically happen in the open source software community over whether share-alike licenses like the GPL or open-use licenses like the 3-clause BSD license

[OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, I think it would be good to agree on something... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:layer#Maximum_recommended_segment_length_of_ways_tagged_with_layer Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 15/03/2014, Kevin Peat wrote: > On 15 March 2014 08:22:26 GMT, Michael Kugelmann > wrote: >>Am 14.03.2014 12:43, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: >>> IMHO, share alike is just like DRM on music >>What??? Come on, don't be foolish! DRM tries to prevent any reuse of >>date whereat Share Alike just requests

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Simon Poole
Martin Continuing to repeat a twisted version of what actually happened does not make it truer. Apple: the Foundation has engaged (documented) multiple times with the company on this matter, even though, as you VERY well know, the data they use is pre-licence change and the OSMF has no IP rights

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 14/mar/2014 um 14:52 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > > ODBL does not require Share-Alike for produced works. > The map, even when based on OSM data is a produced work. > Therefore even if the map is based on osm data, it's not share-alike, > and any data based on the map IMHO cannot be share-ali

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 15/mar/2014 um 11:31 schrieb Stefan Keller : > > Just being curious: Do you - or anybody else - know of any specific > case where G* wrote more than a letter? Maybe people act faster if it's G who writes the letter. I never got one from them but I'd expect it to be from a lawyer while o

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Norbert Wenzel
On 03/15/2014 11:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 14/mar/2014 um 09:48 schrieb Norbert Wenzel >> : >> >> And to the topic. It might not always be easy to enforce the >> share-alike clause, but I really like the fact that we have it and may >> enforce it if necessary. > > Do you know of any

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Indeed, almost no license violation cases make it to court. In the 20 years since the GPL was created, it has gone to court only a handful of times, yet there have been hundreds (maybe thousands) of license violations which have been settled out of court. A court case benefits neither side. It's e

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Stefan Keller
2014-03-15 11:22 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > ... > Do you know of any case where OSMF did more than write a letter? Just being curious: Do you - or anybody else - know of any specific case where G* wrote more than a letter? --S. 2014-03-15 11:22 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 14/mar/2014 um 09:48 schrieb Norbert Wenzel > : > > And to the topic. It might not always be easy to enforce the > share-alike clause, but I really like the fact that we have it and may > enforce it if necessary. actually it seems we won't enforce it upon people who don't follow the shar

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Kevin Peat
On 15 March 2014 08:22:26 GMT, Michael Kugelmann wrote: >Am 14.03.2014 12:43, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: >> IMHO, share alike is just like DRM on music >What??? Come on, don't be foolish! DRM tries to prevent any reuse of >date whereat Share Alike just requests to offer the data under the same > >condi

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 14.03.2014 12:43, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: IMHO, share alike is just like DRM on music What??? Come on, don't be foolish! DRM tries to prevent any reuse of date whereat Share Alike just requests to offer the data under the same conditions as you got them. This is a fundamental difference! Bes