Re: [Talk-br] Grupo do Telegram

[Thiago Jung Bauermann]

Olá,

[ Eu sou apenas um colaborador esporádico do OSM e não participo muito desta 
lista, nem da comunidade. Sintam-se livres para ignorar este post. ]

Gostaria de sugerir que fosse usado o TextSecure ao invés do Telegram. 
Motivos:

1. Tanto o cliente quanto o servidor do TextSecure são software livre e os 
servidores do TextSecure suportam federação (qualquer um pode ter um 
servidor participando da rede do TextSecure). No caso do Telegram, apenas o 
cliente é software livre, enquanto o servidor usa um software proprietário e 
não permite federação. Apenas os criadores do Telegram podem operar o 
serviço.

2. O TextSecure implementa criptografia "end-to-end" em todas as conversas, 
ou seja, apenas os destinatários conseguem ler a mensagem. Os servidores da 
rede TextSecure não conseguem ler nenhuma mensagem. Isso vale inclusive para 
mensagens de grupo. No caso do Telegram, apenas mensagens de "chat secreto" 
são criptografadas "end-to-end". Todas as outras mensagens podem ser lidas 
pelos servidores do Telegram.

3. O protocolo de criptografia do TextSecure é bastante robusto, e já foi 
analisado por especialistas independentes e considerado seguro. Já o 
protocolo de criptografia do Telegram foi analisado por especialistas 
independentes e fortemente criticado (mas ainda não foi quebrado).

Apenas meu dois centavos.

Abraços,
Thiago.

Referências:
https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6913456



Vitor George wrote:

> Oi pessoal,
> 
> Criamos um grupo de Telegram para a comunidade brasileira:
> 
> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAGuLztFjfi3YGbQSw
> 
> Tem também um da comunidade Latinoamericana:
> 
> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAJPGQVajey6dG9pMQ
> 
> Abraços,
> Vitor



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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Marc Zoutendijk]

> On 15 sep. 2015, at 18:19 Ian Dees :
> 
> http://beta.mapquest.com/  does not use OSM data 
> in the US, at least.
> 

But http://openpoimap.org  does and gives more control 
over the various layers.
(Be sure to check out the User Pois feature).
And the wiki is here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taglocator 


Marc.


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Re: [Talk-br] [Bulk] Re: what3words

[Arlindo Pereira]

O próprio what3words pode ter se interessado em apoiar o Mapillary e ter
feito um acordo comercial.

2015-09-15 12:22 GMT-03:00 Peter Krauss :

>
>>
>> Mas aí agora estou intrigado, se é proprietário então porque o Mapillary
>> está apoiando a iniciativa?
>>
>
> Parece ser a Mapillary, ela mesma "assumidamente comercial",
> ou seja, tem um "braço publico" lastrado em licenças CC-BY para as fotos,
> e outro comercial,
>
> * pelo Internic
> 
> seu dono é a empresa GODADDY.COM, LLC
>  (limitada
> )
>
> * pela tabela de preços reforça: http://www.mapillary.com/business.html
>
> * pelos termos de uso, idem: http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html
>
>
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Re: [Talk-de] [FOSSGIS-Talk] Startschuss zur INTERGEO: ab heute OSGeo Park auf der Intergeo Stuttgart 15.-17. September 2015

[Astrid Emde (FOSSGIS e.V.)]

Hier eine Korrektur zur den Abendveranstaltungen

* Am Dienstag Abend (also heute) können Interessierte zum 
Extra-OSM-FOSSGIS-Stammtisch kommen (siehe 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Intergeo_2015#Abendprogramm).


* Am Mittwoch findet die Standparty auf der INTERGEO statt.


Am 2015-09-15 07:09, schrieb Astrid Emde (FOSSGIS e.V.):

Heute beginnt die INTERGEO 2015!

Vom 15. bis zum 17. September präsentiert sich der OSGeo Park (Halle:
4, Stand: E4.071) auf der INTERGEO, die in diesem Jahr in Stuttgart
stattfinden wird.


Projektstände und OSGeo Spielwiese

Auf dem OSGeo Park können Sie sich während der drei Veranstaltungstage
über zahlreiche Lösungen im Bereich Open Source informieren. An
Projektständen können Sie sich über den FOSSGIS Verein und Projekte
wie QGIS oder Mapbender informieren. Die OSM Community wird mit einem
informativen Stand vertreten sein und steht für Fragen bereit.

In diesem Jahr wird es einen Bereich mit Rechnern gegeben - die
Spielwiese. Die Rechner sind mit der aktuellen OSGeo-Live 9.0 bestückt
und enthalten so über 50 Softwareprojekte, Demodaten und
Dokumentationen. Diese können Sie direkt ausprobieren und werden dabei
von Vertretern des FOSSGIS e.V. und der OSM Community unterstützt.


Vortragsprogramm

Neben der Spielwiese, den Projektständen und den ausstellenden Firmen
findet ein tagesfüllendes Vortragsprogramm statt. In Kurzvorträgen
wird dem Publikum ein schneller, aber weitreichender Einblick in die
Welt der Open-Source-Software und den damit verbundenen Möglichkeiten
gegeben.

Vortragsprogramm: http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/Intergeo_2015


Firmen

Dieser OSGeo Park bietet Firmen aus dem Bereich Open Source und den
Open-Source-Projekten selbst eine gelungene Plattform, um ihre
Lösungen zu präsentieren. Zudem unterstreichen die ausstellenden
Firmen die Professionalität, die im Bereich von
Open-Source-GI-Software Einzug gehalten hat. In diesem Jahr stellen
die folgenden Firmen aus:
- CartoDB
- ISB AG, Karlsruhe
- norBIT GmbH
- Sourcepole AG / Zürich
- WhereGroup GmbH / Bonn


Am Mittwoch Abend können Interessierte zum
Extra-OSM-FOSSGIS-Stammtisch in die Zadu Bar kommen (siehe
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Intergeo_2015#Abendprogramm).

Am Donnerstag findet die Standpart auf der INTERGEO statt.

Kommen Sie gerne zum OSGeo Park (Halle: 4, Stand: E4.071). Wir freuen
uns auf Ihren Besuch!

--

FOSSGIS und OpenStreetMap auf der Intergeo 2015 in Stuttgart
15.-17. September
http://www.intergeo.de

FOSSGIS e.V, der Verein zur Förderung von Freier Software aus dem
GIS-Bereich und Freier Geodaten!
http://www.fossgis.de/ https://twitter.com/fossgis_eV


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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Simon Poole]

Over the years the expectation has been that somebody would take OSM
data and create such an end user portal, but as we know, that has never
happened outside a couple of aborted or zombie projects (three that come
to mind are MapQuest, bing and skobbler, but I'm sure there have been more).

I once asked around what the original vision was for OSM, but nobody
seemed to be sure if originally the intention was to cater for
end-users, it definitely hasn't been the case for the majority of the
roughly 10 years the project has been around.

In any case the main problem is that it is not possible to build a sane
commercial business plan around providing such a portal and that
providing maps is just one (now days small, thanks to OSM) part of what
a viable map portal/app would need to offer as Frederik has already
pointed out (note this is not limited to OSM, one of the reasons for the
rapid dispatching of Here/Navteq by Nokia was the failed attempt to
provide exactly such a end-user service).

Naturally the main competitor for an audience is google which is likely
sinking billions into google maps with nearly no direct income from the
service (google doesn't actually disclose any specific numbers, what is
however known is their advertising revenue vs. other sources). I think
it is clear that competing on a commercial footing is just completely
out of the question and -not- going to happen, so Frederik is being a
bit misleading if he points to that as a realistic possibility.

What is largely unexplored is a non-commercial operation at the level
that would be necessary to provide the missing bits and pieces. Given
the intolerance of the masses for a less than google like perfection
(see the issues Strava is having and that with an audience that
historically has been sympathetic to OSM) and the problem that you have
at least one viable commercial operator in the market, obtaining
sufficient funding is likely to be -very- difficult.

Simon



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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 15.09.2015 um 00:54 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
> 
> If it wasn't clear already, railway=dismantled, end_date, or any
> system that mixes past and present in the same namespace is IMHO not
> acceptable.



I agree that end_date is not a desirable way to add stuff. 

railway=dismantled on the other hand is not a past feature, it is a dismantled 
railway now, in the present. In the past it was a railway=rail etc.

cheers 
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Re: [Talk-cz] pád plugin TracerR

[Ha Noj]

Ano spatny plugin, díky Mariáne,

teď mám v seznamu pluginů JOSM 4 tracery (Tracer, Tracer-testing, Tracer2,
TracerR)  a funguje 1. Šlo by ve výpise nechat jen ten jediný? Matně si
pamatuji že se to dělalo přes nějakou wiki page...

ha
hanoj

Dne 14. září 2015 22:57 Marián Kyral  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
> podle mne máš starou verzi traceru. Správně je tracer-testing 143577
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Paul Johnson]

It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area,
http://mapq.st/1fX5bwr .  Some major glaring inconsistencies are standing
out, as in this is either almost straight raw TIGER data or Mapbox is
rendering TomTom's map and attributing it to OpenStreetMap.  Lack of
construction zones along I 244 east of downtown, the south and east legs of
the downtown dispersal loop being labelled as I 444 (an unsigned_ref=*
value in OSM tagging), and the L. L. Tisdale Parkway being named Osage
Expressway (a highway that was only ever named as such on planning
documents in the 1960s and 1970s, ultimately opening in the mid to late
1980s under the name present in OSM; if it's even mentioned in the OSM
data, it'd be under old_name=* as baby-boomers who grew up here grew up
having it hyped as "coming soon" for half their life).

I'd love to see if we could get someone from Mapbox to pipe up on this,
since it definitely appears similar to some of their styles, so they're
likely providing the rendering.  I suspect the rather strange and prevalent
presence of names 40-years-out-of-date on OklaDOT highways, and oddly
inconsistent-even-with-TIGER presence or absence of a number of streets and
alleys is a pretty deliberate easter egg of Google and NAVTEQ (and
annoyingly prevalent in this region).  No idea what data they are using to
generate tiles, but despite the attribution, it's very plainly *NOT* OSM.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Joseph Reeves 
wrote:

> Ah, ok, I hadn't checked the US, but the other places I'd looked at used
> OSM. The site seems to have fallen over now, however.
>
>
>
> On 15 September 2015 at 17:19, Ian Dees  wrote:
>
>> http://beta.mapquest.com/ does not use OSM data in the US, at least.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Joseph Reeves 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://hello.mapquest.com/ ?
>>>
>>> On 14 September 2015 at 19:25, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>>>
 I had an idea to add UMap functionality to OSM.org website and I
 discovered Mateusz Konieczny lately wanted to add a dynamic layer with
 opening hours (and some more data), which I think would be also useful for
 users:

 https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1038
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1056

 However the response we got is that all the features on our website are
 there because they help mappers. While I'm sure overlay showing opening
 hours falls into this category easily, map personalization is primary a
 feature for end users (of course mappers may use it too, but it may not
 have direct impact on OSM data).

 This made me wonder if we care only for having portal for mappers and
 don't like to have some useful features just because they are addressed
 rather for data consumers? In most of the cases this is not the
 contradiction, but why should we "reject" end users' needs?

 OSM-carto, which is what I'm more familiar with, tries to reach both
 these groups:


 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md#purposes
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Re: [Talk-it] Check way - Segrate (MI)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

oltre ai tags proposti si potrebbe forse mettere il numero del piano (credo sia 
"level", ma verificate nel wiki)


ciao 
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Re: [Talk-ca] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[althio]

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
professionnels, pour les développeurs...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :
> Bonjour,
>
> À diffuser très largement dans vos réseaux locaux !
>
>
> Notez dans vos agendas et créez le programme pour le festival
> francophone des communs - Temps des communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/
>
>
> OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
> Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
> Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].
>
>
> Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]
>
> Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
> initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
> cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
> de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
> de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
> l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
> toute la francophonie.
>
> Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
> 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
> l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
> auto-organisés.
>
>
> Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
> [3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
> ailleurs.
>
>
> Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
> Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
> voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
> exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
> pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
> professionnels, pour les développeurs...
>
> Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].
>
>
> Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
> contactez l'organisation [10].
>
> L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
> présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].
>
>
> Veuillez diffuser !
>
>
> Benoît
> OpenStreetMap France
>
>
> [1] participants
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/
>
> [2] flyer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf
>
> [3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr
>
> [5] participer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
> [6] idées
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/
>
> [7] ajouter
> https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
> [8] programme
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/
>
> [9] listes 
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
> [10] organisation
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/
>
> [11] forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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Re: [Talk-ht] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[althio]

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les universités, pour les
administrations, pour les professionnels, pour le grand public...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :
> Bonjour,
>
> Ce festival est à portée francophone et pourrait s'adresser à vos communautés 
> !
>
>
> Créez l'agenda pour le festival francophone des communs - Temps des
> communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/
>
>
>
> OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
> Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
> Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].
>
>
> Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]
>
> Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
> initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
> cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
> de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
> de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
> l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
> toute la francophonie.
>
> Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
> 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
> l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
> auto-organisés.
>
>
> Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
> [3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
> ailleurs.
>
>
> Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
> Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
> voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
> exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
> pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
> professionnels, pour les développeurs...
>
> Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].
>
>
> Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
> contactez l'organisation [10].
>
> L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
> présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].
>
>
> Veuillez diffuser !
>
>
> Benoît
> OpenStreetMap France
>
>
> [1] participants
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/
>
> [2] flyer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf
>
> [3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr
>
> [5] participer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
> [6] idées
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/
>
> [7] ajouter
> https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
> [8] programme
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/
>
> [9] listes 
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
> [10] organisation
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/
>
> [11] forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[althio]

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
professionnels, pour les développeurs...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :
> Bonjour,
>
> À diffuser très largement dans vos réseaux locaux !
>
>
> Notez dans vos agendas et créez le programme pour le festival
> francophone des communs - Temps des communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/
>
>
> OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
> Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
> Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].
>
>
> Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]
>
> Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
> initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
> cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
> de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
> de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
> l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
> toute la francophonie.
>
> Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
> 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
> l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
> auto-organisés.
>
>
> Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
> [3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
> ailleurs.
>
>
> Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
> Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
> voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
> exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
> pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
> professionnels, pour les développeurs...
>
> Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].
>
>
> Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
> contactez l'organisation [10].
>
> L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
> présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].
>
>
> Veuillez diffuser !
>
>
> Benoît
> OpenStreetMap France
>
>
> [1] participants
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/
>
> [2] flyer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf
>
> [3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr
>
> [5] participer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
> [6] idées
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/
>
> [7] ajouter
> https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
> [8] programme
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/
>
> [9] listes 
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
> [10] organisation
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/
>
> [11] forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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[Talk-at] Mapping Refugee Crisis Europe 2015

[Katja Ulbert]

Hello OSM communities in Austria, Hungary and Bavaria,

I am a community member of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team HOT 
http://hotosm.org/ and part of their Communication Working Group. I 
would like to know if any of you is involved in mapping activities in 
this humanitarian crisis taking place in these three countries? In my 
opinion it could be highly useful to locate refugee camps, tent cities 
and other housings for logistics and coordination, and to estimate the 
number of refugees arriving.


HOT hasn´t received a formal request to activate, so I started mapping 
camps and tents on my own, based on information from newspapers and 
websites from local initiatives and refugee organisations. But I have no 
local knowledge and the data is not verified on the ground or field 
mapped, so I can only rely on what I see on satellite imagery and what 
my experience tells me. As a precaution I did not upload the data to the 
OSM server to prevent the locations from being targeted by 
anti-immigrant or right-wing activists.


So if you have any knowledge about mapping initiatives or even support a 
humanitarian organisation by mapping, I would be glad to join and help.


Kind regards

Katja

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Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[Moi]

Buenas tardes,

a mi me pasa lo mismo, hago clic en el enlace y telegram me dice que el grupo 
no existe.

Un saludo!!!



> El 15/9/2015, a las 19:51, Xavier Barnada  escribió:
> 
> Hola Oscar, intento seguir el link y Telegram me dice que el grupo no existe. 
> La url es correcta? A alguien más le pasa?
> 
> Saludos
> 
> 
> El dt., 15 set., 2015 19:26 Óscar Zorrilla Alonso 
>  va escriure:
>> Buenas tardes;
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de OSM 
>> España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
>> 
>> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano 
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html pero 
>> para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder coordinarnos 
>> mejor en los eventos, comunicaciones…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la 
>> hora de dar orden.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
>> etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
>> Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
>> la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
>> #fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa, 
>> #recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
>> todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
>> #notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
>> resolver
>> #hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
>> momento de mapear catástrofes
>> #tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
>> procesos de edición
>> #mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Un saludo
>> 
>> Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
>> 
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Re: [Talk-es] Artículo sobre OSM en El Heraldo de Aragón

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola, al curso tendrán prioridad y descuento universitarios y federados
pero es abierto hasta completar plazas.
Será para noviembre y cuando sepa más detalles los haré públicos.
Un saludo

--
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desde el móvil
El 15/09/2015 19:37, "Jose Luis"  escribió:

> Ese curso que vais a dar es solo para socios o alumnos de la universidad o
> puede ir cualquiera? Si puede ir cualquiera te agradeceria que me
> proporcionaras información sobre el mismo.
>
> Saludos
> Jose Luis
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie + communes associées Lille

[Jérôme Amagat]

(d’après Wikipedia)
disparition de communes par fusion :
- fusion simple (réalisé entre 1971 et 2010) : des communes disparaissent
au profit d'une commune avec éventuellement changement de nom
- fusion-association (réalisé entre 1971 et 2010) : des communes supprimées
peuvent devenir communes associées
- Commune nouvelle (depuis 2010) : plusieurs communes se regroupent pour
former une nouvelle commune. Des communes supprimées peuvent devenir
communes déléguées.

Dans osm :
admin_level=9 : arrondissements (hors sujet : pour paris quelques
arrondissements ont un nom un peut différent des autres il manque le mot
"paris" en plus de l'arrondissement)
les paroisses du Bas Rhin utilisent aussi
admin_level=9
15 relations : des anciennes communes (associées,
déléguées ou supprimés).

admin_level=10 : environ 600 relations dont beaucoup de quartiers et aussi
des anciennes communes (associées, déléguées ou supprimés).

admin_level=11 : des quartiers à Nantes, Toulouse et Montpellier


Sur le wiki :
admin_level=9 : boundary of "Arrondissement municipal" (in Paris, Lyon,
Marseille only)
admin_level=10 : Used for the local democracy : quartiers
pas de admin_level=11

Normalement ce tag admin_level permet de comparer les pays entre eux. en
regardant les autres pays :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
je dirais bien :
admin_level=9 : pour arrondissement et  communes associées et déléguées. Un
maire ou un conseil a des compétences sur son territoire.
admin_level=10 : anciennes communes, et tous types de quartiers reconnus
par la mairie. le territoire est complètement géré par une commune ou un
territoire plus grand.

(Autre chose, vu le "mille feuille administratif" en france dont on parle
souvent, on devrai aller jusqu’à admin_level=15)
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[Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[Óscar Zorrilla Alonso]

Buenas tardes;

Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de OSM 
España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA

La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html pero 
para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder coordinarnos mejor 
en los eventos, comunicaciones…

Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la hora 
de dar orden.

Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
#fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa, 
#recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
#notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
resolver
#hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
momento de mapear catástrofes
#tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
procesos de edición
#mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades

Un saludo
Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
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[Talk-cat] Telegram OSMcatalà

[Carlos Sánchez]

A fi de poder agilitzar alguns temes o qüestions que es puguin o s'hagin de
gestionar ràpidament i/o de manera menys formal; us facilito un enllaç de
grup de Telegram.
Es tracta d'un recurs que no substitueix la llista de correu. La llista
continua sent un espai formal on discutir temes de major embergadura i
tecnicitat.
Així el Telegram passa a ser una eina més personal i informal de contacte
per a la comunitat.

https://telegram.me/joinchat/ABiMPgHqRULrWCM_o_z99A
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Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[k1wi]

Mismo problema

k1wi

> El 15/9/2015, a las 19:51, Xavier Barnada  escribió:
> 
> Hola Oscar, intento seguir el link y Telegram me dice que el grupo no existe. 
> La url es correcta? A alguien más le pasa?
> 
> Saludos
> 
> 
> El dt., 15 set., 2015 19:26 Óscar Zorrilla Alonso 
>  va escriure:
>> Buenas tardes;
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de OSM 
>> España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
>> 
>> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano 
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html pero 
>> para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder coordinarnos 
>> mejor en los eventos, comunicaciones…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la 
>> hora de dar orden.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
>> etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
>> Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
>> la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
>> #fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa, 
>> #recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
>> todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
>> #notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
>> resolver
>> #hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
>> momento de mapear catástrofes
>> #tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
>> procesos de edición
>> #mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Un saludo
>> 
>> Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
>> 
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Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Mirar con este que debería funcionar.

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg

El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 20:34, Moi () escribió:

> Buenas tardes,
>
> a mi me pasa lo mismo, hago clic en el enlace y telegram me dice que el
> grupo no existe.
>
> Un saludo!!!
>
>
>
> El 15/9/2015, a las 19:51, Xavier Barnada  escribió:
>
> Hola Oscar, intento seguir el link y Telegram me dice que el grupo no
> existe. La url es correcta? A alguien más le pasa?
>
> Saludos
>
> El dt., 15 set., 2015 19:26 Óscar Zorrilla Alonso <
> oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com> va escriure:
>
>> Buenas tardes;
>>
>>
>>
>> Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de
>> OSM España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
>>
>> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA
>>
>>
>>
>> La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html
>> pero para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder
>> coordinarnos mejor en los eventos, comunicaciones…
>>
>>
>>
>> Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la
>> hora de dar orden.
>>
>>
>>
>> Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
>>
>> etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
>>
>> Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
>>
>> la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
>>
>> #fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa,
>>
>> #recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
>>
>> todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
>>
>> #notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
>>
>> resolver
>>
>> #hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
>>
>> momento de mapear catástrofes
>>
>> #tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
>>
>> procesos de edición
>>
>> #mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades
>>
>>
>>
>> Un saludo
>>
>> Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
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Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[Óscar Zorrilla Alonso]

Hola, si tenéis problemas, probad con este enlace:
https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg
Perdonad por el fallo.




De: Xavier Barnada
Enviado: martes, 15 de septiembre de 2015 19:52
Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España


Hola Oscar, intento seguir el link y Telegram me dice que el grupo no existe. 
La url es correcta? A alguien más le pasa? 
Saludos 

El dt., 15 set., 2015 19:26 Óscar Zorrilla Alonso  
va escriure:
Buenas tardes;
 
Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de OSM 
España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA
 
La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html pero 
para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder coordinarnos mejor 
en los eventos, comunicaciones…
 
Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la hora 
de dar orden.
 
Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
#fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa, 
#recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
#notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
resolver
#hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
momento de mapear catástrofes
#tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
procesos de edición
#mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades
 
Un saludo
Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[althio]

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
professionnels, pour les développeurs...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :
> Bonjour,
>
> À diffuser très largement dans vos réseaux locaux !
>
>
> Notez dans vos agendas et créez le programme pour le festival
> francophone des communs - Temps des communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/
>
>
> OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
> Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
> Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].
>
>
> Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]
>
> Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
> initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
> cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
> de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
> de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
> l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
> toute la francophonie.
>
> Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
> 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
> l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
> auto-organisés.
>
>
> Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
> [3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
> ailleurs.
>
>
> Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
> Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
> voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
> exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
> pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
> professionnels, pour les développeurs...
>
> Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].
>
>
> Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
> contactez l'organisation [10].
>
> L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
> présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].
>
>
> Veuillez diffuser !
>
>
> Benoît
> OpenStreetMap France
>
>
> [1] participants
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/
>
> [2] flyer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf
>
> [3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr
>
> [5] participer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
> [6] idées
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/
>
> [7] ajouter
> https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
> [8] programme
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/
>
> [9] listes 
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
> [10] organisation
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/
>
> [11] forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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Re: [Talk-bf] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[althio]

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les universités, pour les
administrations, pour les professionnels, pour le grand public...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :
> Bonjour,
>
> Ce festival est à portée francophone et pourrait s'adresser à vos communautés 
> !
>
>
> Créez l'agenda pour le festival francophone des communs - Temps des
> communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/
>
>
>
> OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
> Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
> Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].
>
>
> Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]
>
> Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
> initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
> cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
> de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
> de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
> l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
> toute la francophonie.
>
> Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
> 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
> l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
> auto-organisés.
>
>
> Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
> [3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
> ailleurs.
>
>
> Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
> Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
> voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
> exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
> pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
> professionnels, pour les développeurs...
>
> Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].
>
>
> Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
> contactez l'organisation [10].
>
> L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
> présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].
>
>
> Veuillez diffuser !
>
>
> Benoît
> OpenStreetMap France
>
>
> [1] participants
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/
>
> [2] flyer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf
>
> [3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
> http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr
>
> [5] participer
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
> [6] idées
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/
>
> [7] ajouter
> https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
> [8] programme
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/
>
> [9] listes 
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
> [10] organisation
> http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/
>
> [11] forum
> http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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[Talk-es] Entrevista de OSM para el telar del Geek

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Hola.
Os paso una entrevista que han publicado hoy que me han hecho sobre
OpenStreetMap en el telar del Geek.

http://eltelardelgeek.com/2015/09/15/openstreetmap-con-jorgesanzs-por-aperalesf/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
> attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
> coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area


Paul - Ian's spot on: the new Mapquest maps on http://beta.mapquest.com/
are OSM except in the US where they're TomTom.

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Re: [Talk-es] Revisión de carreteras de Castilla y León

[Emilio Gómez Fernández]

Hola Guillermo.

Mi consejo es que edites directamente con JOSM, es más versátil y avanzarás
más rápido. El problema de utilizar la extensión de ArcGIS es que, además
de que no sabes si a la larga su desarrollo continuará, este nunca irá a la
par del primero, por lo que merece más la pena aprender a usar el editor de
referencia de OSM aunque te lleve algo más de tiempo. Las herramientas de
edición de JOSM no tienen nada que envidiar a las de muchos GIS (de hecho
yo le he utilizado alguna vez para limpiar cartografía ajena a
OpenStreetMap).

Respecto al catálogo de carretera, en su momento yo revisé todo el de
Cantabria: clave, denominación de la vía, origen y final. Con ayuda del
mapa de carreteras oficial y las tablas del inventario de vías fui
repasándolas una a una a ver si existían, si tenían problemas de
conectividad y si los datos eran correctos. Además completé algunas con
otros datos a partir de la imágenes aérea, como número de carriles, tramos
de adelantamiento y demás.
Por otro lado en aquellos tramos que son travesía urbanas con denominación
de calle, en mi caso mantuve el nombre oficial de la vía bajo la etiqueta
alt_name.

Un saludo.

Emilio Gómez

El 14 de septiembre de 2015, 12:06, Guillermo Marqués Rodríguez <
ludovic...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Buenos días a todos
> Estas semanas pareceque voy a tener bastante tiempo libre y quería darle
> una vuelta a las carreteras de todo Castilla y León para revisar
> principalmente las geometría y las denominaciones
>
> El caso, para temas GIS trabajo normalmente con ArcGIS, he visto que
> existe una extensión para OSM que permite el flujo de
> descargar-editar-subir, alguno la habéis probado?? es que he hecho una
> pequeña prueba y no me sube correctamente todo lo que he editado.
>
> Me recomendais alguna otra forma de trabajar, contando con que si se puede
> me gustaría trabajar a nivel provincial pues mi idea es que en base al
> catálogo de carreteras revisar provincia por provincia.
> Un saludo
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 15/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> thing is, a dismantled railway has no end_date, it only has a start_date and
> will continue to be a dismantled railway, till the end of time

Yes.

On 15/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> railway=dismantled on the other hand is not a past feature, it is a
> dismantled railway now, in the present. In the past it was a railway=rail
> etc.

I don't understand how a feature can be both "dismantled till the end
of time" and "in the present". The only state that you can keep
forever is the state of not being. To me, "dismantled" as used in OSM
rails is a much stronger definition than "dismantled legos", it is a
synonym for "fully gone". Saying that something is "fully gone in the
present" is a roundabout way of saying that it is in the past.

The start_date of the railway=dismantled is the end_date of the
railway=abandoned/rail. So why not tag the railway=rail/abandoned with
the date of its demise (not with a trolltag like end_date, but with
something that doesn't trip up presentfans) instead of
railway=dismantled ?

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Re: [Talk-cz] pád plugin TracerR

[Marián Kyral]

-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Ha Noj 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 15. 9. 2015 9:39:12
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] pád plugin TracerR

"




Ano spatny plugin, díky Mariáne,


teď mám v seznamu pluginů JOSM 4 tracery (Tracer, Tracer-testing, Tracer2, 
TracerR)  a funguje 1. Šlo by ve výpise nechat jen ten jediný? Matně si 
pamatuji že se to dělalo přes nějakou wiki page...




"



Co je TracerR netuším,  zřejmě nějaká starší, testovací verze. Tu budeš 
muset ručně smazat z josm plugin adresáře (na linuxu v ~/.josm/plugins/ ). 
Pak z toho seznamu zmizí.





*Tracer* je původní verze, kterou plánuji nahradit, ale ještě jsem se k tomu
nedostal :-( Nějak se nedostává času a chybí ta správná tvůrčí nálada :-)





*Tracer2* je zase německá verze původního Traceru, kde jsem původně čerpal 
inspiraci. Na tracování používá vlastní tracer server. Teoreticky by stačilo
udělat Tracer2 modul do mé verze a zaintegrovat ta jejich vylepšení (po 
natrasování se objeví nabídka, kde se dá vybrat typ objektu a podle toho se 
to otaguje) . Jenže to má velmi nízkou prioritu a motivaci mám zatím 
minimální. Kdysi jsem k nějakému Tracer2 issue psal, že Tracer-testing to 
řeší, jestli by to nechtěli sjednotit, ale odezva žádná.




Takže asi tak. Momentálně dělám na jiných věcech, ani to mapování nestíhám 
jak bych chtěl, a čekám až uzraje čas ;-)




Marián




"





ha

hanoj



Dne 14. září 2015 22:57 Marián Kyral  napsal(a):
"
Ahoj,
podle mne máš starou verzi traceru. Správně je tracer-testing 143577

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Giulio Barba]

Ciao a tutti, io sono "mappatore" da anni, ma non faccio ancora molta
fatica a capire la complessità dell'intero aspetto, del sistema
openstreemap.
Io vado col mio Garmin, coinvolgo qualche amico, faccio le foto, e poi
sistemo strade, sentieri, piste ciclabili, edifici dall'editor WEB, senza
alcun altro software, anche se da qual che ho capito è limitante. Ma poi
faccio fatica a capirmi in questo groviglio di sigle, acronimi, termini.
Non capisco molto a chi siano destinate le conversazioni su queste liste.
E visto che non capisco bene quello di cui si parla ho sempre la sensazione
che il tutto sia rivolto ad altri, più esperti.

A chi è rivolto questo OSMit2015?
Chi dovrebbe partecipare alle riunioni di cui parlate?

Se è una comunicazione agli addetti ai lavori va tutto bene, ma se è per il
pubblico io non ho molto capito, e per la verità non mi sono molto
documentato.

Ciao!
Giulio


Il giorno 15 settembre 2015 11:54, Federico Cortese 
ha scritto:

> Ma le adesioni sono troppo poche, cercherei di capirne prima il motivo.
> Forse non piacciono le date, oppure ci sono altri problemi?
>
> Saluti
> Federico
>
> 2015-09-15 10:33 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli :
> > Guardando le adesioni al doodle, direi di sentirci domani sera (mercoledì
> > 16) alle 18:00.
> >
> > Saluti,
> >
> > Il giorno 8 settembre 2015 10:07, Michele Mondelli <
> mithenks...@gmail.com>
> > ha scritto:
> >>
> >> Buongiorno a tutti.
> >>
> >> Proporrei di fare una nuova riunione per discutere dell'iniziativa.
> >> Vi riporto gli aggiornamenti per quanto riguarda gli sponsor
> istituzionali
> >> e gli spazi messi a disposizione.
> >>
> >> Ho creato un doodle per raccogliere le vostre disponibilità:
> >> http://doodle.com/poll/wb9dyim4nvwratdi .
> >>
> >> Mi raccomando, partecipate numerosi!
> >>
> >>
> >> A presto,
> >>
> >> Il giorno 12 agosto 2015 16:47, Marcello  ha
> scritto:
> >>>
> >>> Io conto di partecipare, a meno di impegni imprevisti e non
> prorogabili.
> >>> Ho visto che è previsto anche un evento serale , riguardando il thread
> non
> >>> mi sembra di aver visto nulla, di cosa si tratta?
> >>>
> >>> Per quanto riguarda gli argomenti da trattare ho visto che un argomento
> >>> inserito nel programma era lo 'stato della mappa', siccome avevo
> notato la
> >>> pagina wiki dell'Umbria praticamente vuota da dicembre scorso mi sono
> messo
> >>> ad arricchirla, in particolar modo ho lavorato sullo stato della mappa
> >>> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Umbria_Stato), prendendo spunto
> dalle
> >>> statistiche che erano sul sito GFOSS ma che non vengono più aggiornate
> da
> >>> settembre 2013. Se non c'è di meglio e può interessare qualcuno posso
> dire
> >>> qualcosa a proposito.
> >>>
> >>> Ciao
> >>> Marcello
> >>>
> >>> Il 12/08/2015 09:44, Michele Mondelli ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>> Salve a tutti.
> >>>
> >>> Riporto agli onori della cronaca la discussione su OSMit 2015.
> >>>
> >>> Ho notato che su http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OSMit2015 siamo
> >>> ancora segnati in due per l'evento!
> >>> Se ci sono persone che sanno di venire e soprattutto di poter
> contribuire
> >>> con un talk o che hanno una proposta su cosa fare a livello pratico
> durante
> >>> OSMit, segnatevi!
> >>> Inutile che vi dica che riuscire a decidere il prima possibile il
> >>> programma dell'evento ci permette di pubblicizzarlo al meglio.
> >>>
> >>> Vi dico intanto che all'università si sono resi disponibili ad
> >>> organizzare iniziative con gli studenti, ed a partecipare attivamente
> >>> all'iniziativa.
> >>> Ovviamente adesso sono tutti in vacanza, ma subito a fine agosto li
> >>> risento. Vorrei potergli dare maggiori informazioni su come sarà
> strutturato
> >>> l'evento, di cosa si parlerà,
> >>> cosa faremo, ecc.
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Talk-es] Evolucion de exit_to, destination, name en las salidas

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

En los archivos de errores de
http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/descargas.php hay uno de errores de
motorway_exits que seria util solucionar para el tema de las autopistas.

El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 19:19, Antonio Clavero ()
escribió:

> enhorabuena por el trabajo! Gusta comprobar que hay gente igual de
> obsesionado por los mapas que uno mismo. 
> Una pregunta, se pueden saber todos los puntos kilométricos de las
> carreteras? En caso negativo, como se harían? Uno a uno o de manera
> automática? El primer método me parece un trabajo demasiado monótono y
> pienso que quizás exista el segundo.
> Un saludo
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> > El 14/9/2015, a las 18:15, k1wi  escribió:
> >
> > Hola a todos!
> >
> > Creo que ya sabéis que estoy un poco obsesionado con las autopistas,
> aquí va otra entrega. He hecho un gráfico con la evolución del etiquetado
> de las salidas en las autopistas/autovías españolas (exit_to, destination,
> name).
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/k1wi/diary/35840
> >
> > k1wi
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Yo ando con ganas de una mapping party pero igual que esta me suelen caer
algo lejos todas. A ver cuando nos animamos por Castilla y León hacer algo.

El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 10:47, Jose Luis ()
escribió:

> Hola K1wi,
>
> Eso habia pensado yo, no dejar ninguna calle sin nombre y poner los
> sentidos
> correctamente, si os parece bien hacemos eso.
> Aunque de momento solo parece que estemos 3 personas y no tiene pinta de
> que
> se apunten muchas mas. No se que te parece a ti, se puede hacer con solo
> tres personas?
> Por mi parte estoy dispuesto a lo que sea, porque estoy muy interesado en
> aprender o sea que si a vosotros os parece bien, seguimos adelante.
> Espero vuestra confirmación para fijar un dia.
> Saludos
> Jose Luis
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Federico Cortese]

Ma le adesioni sono troppo poche, cercherei di capirne prima il motivo.
Forse non piacciono le date, oppure ci sono altri problemi?

Saluti
Federico

2015-09-15 10:33 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli :
> Guardando le adesioni al doodle, direi di sentirci domani sera (mercoledì
> 16) alle 18:00.
>
> Saluti,
>
> Il giorno 8 settembre 2015 10:07, Michele Mondelli 
> ha scritto:
>>
>> Buongiorno a tutti.
>>
>> Proporrei di fare una nuova riunione per discutere dell'iniziativa.
>> Vi riporto gli aggiornamenti per quanto riguarda gli sponsor istituzionali
>> e gli spazi messi a disposizione.
>>
>> Ho creato un doodle per raccogliere le vostre disponibilità:
>> http://doodle.com/poll/wb9dyim4nvwratdi .
>>
>> Mi raccomando, partecipate numerosi!
>>
>>
>> A presto,
>>
>> Il giorno 12 agosto 2015 16:47, Marcello  ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Io conto di partecipare, a meno di impegni imprevisti e non prorogabili.
>>> Ho visto che è previsto anche un evento serale , riguardando il thread non
>>> mi sembra di aver visto nulla, di cosa si tratta?
>>>
>>> Per quanto riguarda gli argomenti da trattare ho visto che un argomento
>>> inserito nel programma era lo 'stato della mappa', siccome avevo notato la
>>> pagina wiki dell'Umbria praticamente vuota da dicembre scorso mi sono messo
>>> ad arricchirla, in particolar modo ho lavorato sullo stato della mappa
>>> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Umbria_Stato), prendendo spunto dalle
>>> statistiche che erano sul sito GFOSS ma che non vengono più aggiornate da
>>> settembre 2013. Se non c'è di meglio e può interessare qualcuno posso dire
>>> qualcosa a proposito.
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Marcello
>>>
>>> Il 12/08/2015 09:44, Michele Mondelli ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Salve a tutti.
>>>
>>> Riporto agli onori della cronaca la discussione su OSMit 2015.
>>>
>>> Ho notato che su http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OSMit2015 siamo
>>> ancora segnati in due per l'evento!
>>> Se ci sono persone che sanno di venire e soprattutto di poter contribuire
>>> con un talk o che hanno una proposta su cosa fare a livello pratico durante
>>> OSMit, segnatevi!
>>> Inutile che vi dica che riuscire a decidere il prima possibile il
>>> programma dell'evento ci permette di pubblicizzarlo al meglio.
>>>
>>> Vi dico intanto che all'università si sono resi disponibili ad
>>> organizzare iniziative con gli studenti, ed a partecipare attivamente
>>> all'iniziativa.
>>> Ovviamente adesso sono tutti in vacanza, ma subito a fine agosto li
>>> risento. Vorrei potergli dare maggiori informazioni su come sarà strutturato
>>> l'evento, di cosa si parlerà,
>>> cosa faremo, ecc.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Lester Caine]

On 15/09/15 08:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> If it wasn't clear already, railway=dismantled, end_date, or any
>> > system that mixes past and present in the same namespace is IMHO not
>> > acceptable.
> 
> I agree that end_date is not a desirable way to add stuff. 
> 
> railway=dismantled on the other hand is not a past feature, it is a 
> dismantled railway now, in the present. In the past it was a railway=rail etc.

The crux of the problem here is 'end_date' and if it is to be supported
or not. I'm perfectly happy that features which exist on the ground need
to be documented, and even having removed the tracks, a rail bed is
still a substantial structure which can be reused or robbed out. The use
of the name 'Abandoned Railway' on a cycle track is an alternate
compromise, so it is just breaks which we are discussion here.

If OHM WAS usable as an alternate source of data in parallel with the
main database I would not have a problem, but the discussions there are
at a tangent to the main problem of retaining material that has been
accurately mapped already and for which 'end_date' is the perfect tag.
The difficulty here is distinguishing data that has been deleted or
changed because it was simply wrong and changes that result from
re-tasking or redeveloping areas.

I've already given a good practical example in the case of Tollbar
improvements which are still work in progress, but the current data is
not as accurate as it could be because elements are mapped that do not
yet exist and elements which have been realigned do not actually follow
the current state on the ground. The full scheme started life back in
1998 and the various phases were well documented showing what was to be
added and deleted at each stage, so careful mapping taking note of both
start and end dates COULD have done a better job, and this IS about
mapping the present! It shows what is planned so drivers know of the
disruption and while dates will change updating them builds the very
history *I* am talking about, so ALL we are discussing is what happens
to the bits as the forthcoming end_date is reached? And what is shown
for sections for which a 'start_date' is still to be achieved.

ARCHIVING material is the question here while keeping it available to
view in conjunction with the current state on the ground along with the
future planned state. History is an inherent part of the current
'namespace'!

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Michele Mondelli]

Guardando le adesioni al doodle, direi di sentirci domani sera (mercoledì
16) alle 18:00.

Saluti,

Il giorno 8 settembre 2015 10:07, Michele Mondelli 
ha scritto:

> Buongiorno a tutti.
>
> Proporrei di fare una nuova riunione per discutere dell'iniziativa.
> Vi riporto gli aggiornamenti per quanto riguarda gli sponsor istituzionali
> e gli spazi messi a disposizione.
>
> Ho creato un doodle per raccogliere le vostre disponibilità:
> http://doodle.com/poll/wb9dyim4nvwratdi .
>
> Mi raccomando, partecipate numerosi!
>
>
> A presto,
>
> Il giorno 12 agosto 2015 16:47, Marcello  ha scritto:
>
>> Io conto di partecipare, a meno di impegni imprevisti e non prorogabili.
>> Ho visto che è previsto anche un evento serale , riguardando il thread non
>> mi sembra di aver visto nulla, di cosa si tratta?
>>
>> Per quanto riguarda gli argomenti da trattare ho visto che un argomento
>> inserito nel programma era lo 'stato della mappa', siccome avevo notato la
>> pagina wiki dell'Umbria praticamente vuota da dicembre scorso mi sono messo
>> ad arricchirla, in particolar modo ho lavorato sullo stato della mappa (
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Umbria_Stato), prendendo spunto
>> dalle statistiche che erano sul sito GFOSS ma che non vengono più
>> aggiornate da settembre 2013. Se non c'è di meglio e può interessare
>> qualcuno posso dire qualcosa a proposito.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Marcello
>>
>> Il 12/08/2015 09:44, Michele Mondelli ha scritto:
>>
>> Salve a tutti.
>>
>> Riporto agli onori della cronaca la discussione su OSMit 2015.
>>
>> Ho notato che su http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OSMit2015 siamo
>> ancora segnati in due per l'evento!
>> Se ci sono persone che sanno di venire e soprattutto di poter contribuire
>> con un talk o che hanno una proposta su cosa fare a livello pratico durante
>> OSMit, segnatevi!
>> Inutile che vi dica che riuscire a decidere il prima possibile il
>> programma dell'evento ci permette di pubblicizzarlo al meglio.
>>
>> Vi dico intanto che all'università si sono resi disponibili ad
>> organizzare iniziative con gli studenti, ed a partecipare attivamente
>> all'iniziativa.
>> Ovviamente adesso sono tutti in vacanza, ma subito a fine agosto li
>> risento. Vorrei potergli dare maggiori informazioni su come sarà
>> strutturato l'evento, di cosa si parlerà,
>> cosa faremo, ecc.
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> .
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 15.09.2015 um 10:18 schrieb Lester Caine :
> 
> The crux of the problem here is 'end_date' and if it is to be supported
> or not. I'm perfectly happy that features which exist on the ground need
> to be documented, and even having removed the tracks, a rail bed is
> still a substantial structure which can be reused or robbed out.


thing is, a dismantled railway has no end_date, it only has a start_date and 
will continue to be a dismantled railway, till the end of time 

Anyway, end_date is just as broken as disused=yes, abandoned=yes, ruins=yes or 
any other qualifier that says that something is not any more what the other 
tags say.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Joseph Reeves]

http://hello.mapquest.com/ ?

On 14 September 2015 at 19:25, Daniel Koć  wrote:

> I had an idea to add UMap functionality to OSM.org website and I
> discovered Mateusz Konieczny lately wanted to add a dynamic layer with
> opening hours (and some more data), which I think would be also useful for
> users:
>
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1038
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1056
>
> However the response we got is that all the features on our website are
> there because they help mappers. While I'm sure overlay showing opening
> hours falls into this category easily, map personalization is primary a
> feature for end users (of course mappers may use it too, but it may not
> have direct impact on OSM data).
>
> This made me wonder if we care only for having portal for mappers and
> don't like to have some useful features just because they are addressed
> rather for data consumers? In most of the cases this is not the
> contradiction, but why should we "reject" end users' needs?
>
> OSM-carto, which is what I'm more familiar with, tries to reach both these
> groups:
>
>
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md#purposes
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Re: [Talk-cz] pád plugin TracerR

[jzvc]

Dne 15.9.2015 v 10:16 Marián Kyral napsal(a):


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Ha Noj 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 15. 9. 2015 9:39:12
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] pád plugin TracerR


Ano spatny plugin, díky Mariáne,

teď mám v seznamu pluginů JOSM 4 tracery (Tracer, Tracer-testing,
Tracer2, TracerR)  a funguje 1. Šlo by ve výpise nechat jen ten
jediný? Matně si pamatuji že se to dělalo přes nějakou wiki page...


Co je TracerR netuším,  zřejmě nějaká starší, testovací verze. Tu budeš
muset ručně smazat z josm plugin adresáře (na linuxu v ~/.josm/plugins/
). Pak z toho seznamu zmizí.


*Tracer* je původní verze, kterou plánuji nahradit, ale ještě jsem se k
tomu nedostal :-( Nějak se nedostává času a chybí ta správná tvůrčí
nálada :-)


*Tracer2* je zase německá verze původního Traceru, kde jsem původně
čerpal inspiraci. Na tracování používá vlastní tracer server. Teoreticky
by stačilo udělat Tracer2 modul do mé verze a zaintegrovat ta jejich
vylepšení (po natrasování se objeví nabídka, kde se dá vybrat typ
objektu a podle toho se to otaguje) . Jenže to má velmi nízkou prioritu
a motivaci mám zatím minimální. Kdysi jsem k nějakému Tracer2 issue
psal, že Tracer-testing to řeší, jestli by to nechtěli sjednotit, ale
odezva žádná.


Takže asi tak. Momentálně dělám na jiných věcech, ani to mapování
nestíhám jak bych chtěl, a čekám až uzraje čas ;-)



Cus, jen tak pro info, matne si pamatuju ze se tu nekdo nekde ptal, 
jestli v tom "novem" traceru funguje jeste ta metoda pres .NET modul. 
Tak jen kdyz to probirate muzu potvrdit, ze jeste pred par dny rozhodne 
fungovala ;D.






Marián



ha
hanoj

Dne 14. září 2015 22:57 Marián Kyral > napsal(a):

Ahoj,
podle mne máš starou verzi traceru. Správně je tracer-testing
143577


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[OSM-ja] 9/21 鬼怒川流域 インドア・マッピング

[大和田健一]

連休のど真ん中ですが。
21日 (月) に横浜で鬼怒川流域のインドア・マッピングを行います。
といっても、いまイベント立てたので、参加者がいるのか怪しい。
https://atnd.org/events/70249

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Re: [Talk-br] [Bulk] Re: what3words

[Peter Krauss]

>
>
>
> Mas aí agora estou intrigado, se é proprietário então porque o Mapillary
> está apoiando a iniciativa?
>

Parece ser a Mapillary, ela mesma "assumidamente comercial",
ou seja, tem um "braço publico" lastrado em licenças CC-BY para as fotos, e
outro comercial,

* pelo Internic

seu dono é a empresa GODADDY.COM, LLC
 (limitada
)

* pela tabela de preços reforça: http://www.mapillary.com/business.html

* pelos termos de uso, idem: http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Ian Dees]

http://beta.mapquest.com/ does not use OSM data in the US, at least.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Joseph Reeves 
wrote:

> http://hello.mapquest.com/ ?
>
> On 14 September 2015 at 19:25, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>
>> I had an idea to add UMap functionality to OSM.org website and I
>> discovered Mateusz Konieczny lately wanted to add a dynamic layer with
>> opening hours (and some more data), which I think would be also useful for
>> users:
>>
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1038
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1056
>>
>> However the response we got is that all the features on our website are
>> there because they help mappers. While I'm sure overlay showing opening
>> hours falls into this category easily, map personalization is primary a
>> feature for end users (of course mappers may use it too, but it may not
>> have direct impact on OSM data).
>>
>> This made me wonder if we care only for having portal for mappers and
>> don't like to have some useful features just because they are addressed
>> rather for data consumers? In most of the cases this is not the
>> contradiction, but why should we "reject" end users' needs?
>>
>> OSM-carto, which is what I'm more familiar with, tries to reach both
>> these groups:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md#purposes
>
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[Talk-dk] Odense Ove Sprogøes Plads/Jernbanegade

[Niels Elgaard Larsen]

Ove Sprogøes Plads i Odense var indtil for 10 år en del af Jernbanegade.
Men adresseknuderne siger stadig Jernbanegade.
Er det en fejl?

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[Talk-cat] Samarretes OSMcatalà

[Carlos Sánchez]

Com que alguna gent estava interessada però la cosa no va acabar de
quallar; us deixo una metodologia per a que les pugueu fer a casa.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Material#Samarretes

A l'Abacus n'he vist un paquet de 10 papers dinA-4 per uns 18 euros. Podeu
trobar a l'Amazon o d'altres establiments altres marques. Recordeu que
depèn de si es una samarreta blanca o a color es un paper transfer normal o
dark i la metodologia varia.

Les samarretes en podeu trobar a bon preu a establiments tipus Carrefour,
etc.

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Re: [Talk-it] Isolare duplicati

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-15 12:29 GMT+02:00 Cascafico Giovanni :

> Durante l'importazione degli indirizzi Friuli Venezia Giulia é apparso che
> nei dati regionali ci sono circa 8.000 su 430.000 indirizzi multipli.
>
> Per esempio ci sono 12 nodi a coordinate diverse taggati
>
> Lignano Sabbiadoro
> Via Spilimbergo
> 16
>
> Che fare?
> Isolarli e risolverli dopo l'import?
> Rimuoverli prima e con loro anche l'unico valido?
>

hanno altri tags oltre ad essere un indirizzo? Col metodo scelto (?) da noi
(Italiani) di mettere gli indirizzi su dei nodi è inevitabile che dobbiamo
ripetere l'intero indirizzo per ogni poi che mappiamo.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Isolare duplicati

[Lorenzo Perone]

Ciao,
forse si potrebbero correggere prima dell'import utilizzando la geometria
delle strade per validarli.
Può essere utile una mano?
Ciao.
Lorenzo

Il giorno mar 15 set 2015 12:31 Cascafico Giovanni  ha
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> Ciao Lista.
>
> Durante l'importazione degli indirizzi Friuli Venezia Giulia é apparso che
> nei dati regionali ci sono circa 8.000 su 430.000 indirizzi multipli.
>
> Per esempio ci sono 12 nodi a coordinate diverse taggati
>
> Lignano Sabbiadoro
> Via Spilimbergo
> 16
>
> Che fare?
> Isolarli e risolverli dopo l'import?
> Rimuoverli prima e con loro anche l'unico valido?
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 14/09/2015 18:40, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote:

Russ is a railfan.  I am a railfan.  We are a group of people for whom
railroads hold a lot of interest and nostalgia.  Being able to see
locations of abandoned railways in OSM is very desirable for us.
I'll guess there a lots of OSMers who are interested in defunct railways 
& would love to see an OSM rendering of them. I include myself in that 
number. However the OSM database is not the place to store the info.





  (Not
to mention that some of them will eventually be converted to rail
trails, and so their location is important from that aspect.)  I guess
we're asking that an exception to the "verifiable features only" rule
be made for these features.


The rule is whether it exists or not. OSM is for current entities.



   Simply confining abandoned railroad
features to OHM is not a good solution, because without being able to
view them in the context of existing features, they lose a lot of
their value.


It needs to be transferred (not deleted, as some have stated) to a 
separate database & mashup techniques used to create a render with the 
current OSM database.



A long time ago someone decided that administrative boundaries would
be granted an exception.


As boundaries exist *&* verifiable no exception was needed.


We are also mapping cycle routes.


Yes, as they *exist* on *current* cycle ways.


Is it too much to ask for abandoned railroads to be granted an exception too?


Yes. They don't exist any more.


Iknow the classic argument against this is that it would open the
floodgates for all kinds of other historic objects to be mapped,
thereby cluttering the map.  But are there really that many people
that would clamor for feature type "x" to also be included?


As you & others won't let it lie, I'm going to answer: Yes.


I've not heard anything on this mailing list from anyone advocating
passionately for any other type of historic feature.


There are some against removing *any* entity, which is how OHM came about.


We cater to cyclists (of which I am one as well), why not railway enthusiasts?


If a cycleway is destroyed in the real world, then it would get deleted 
in OSM.



Cheers
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jose Luis]

Hola Jorge,

Me gustaria coincidir contigo, aunque fuera en una mapping party en Castilla y 
Leon, porque estoy muy interesado en aprender a crear mapas de Garmin a partir 
de OSM y creo que tu lo haces.
O sea que estaré atento por si sale algo.
Saludos
Jose Luis


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  Yo ando con ganas de una mapping party pero igual que esta me suelen caer 
algo lejos todas. A ver cuando nos animamos por Castilla y León hacer algo.


  El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 10:47, Jose Luis () escribió:

Hola K1wi,

Eso habia pensado yo, no dejar ninguna calle sin nombre y poner los sentidos
correctamente, si os parece bien hacemos eso.
Aunque de momento solo parece que estemos 3 personas y no tiene pinta de que
se apunten muchas mas. No se que te parece a ti, se puede hacer con solo
tres personas?
Por mi parte estoy dispuesto a lo que sea, porque estoy muy interesado en
aprender o sea que si a vosotros os parece bien, seguimos adelante.
Espero vuestra confirmación para fijar un dia.
Saludos
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[OSM-talk-fr] Carnets de randonnée à partir de traces gpx

[JB]

Bonjour,
Cet été à petit pas, les scripts de génération de topoguides® carnets de 
rando à partir d'une trace gpx se sont étoffés. Les nouveautés les plus 
visibles sont la possibilité de générer des livrets en format paysage, 
et d'utiliser des formats de papier personnalisés. L'usage s'est bien 
simplifié depuis la première version du code, puisque qu'en une ligne de 
commande unique, un premier livret optimisé est produit, puis une 
deuxième génération est possible si l'on veut ajouter des noms aux 
cartes (j'omets de dire ici que l'installation de toutes les briques 
nécessaires peut être éventuellement laborieux !).

Deux exemples à disposition :
 - un format A5 portrait dans la chaîne des Puys : 
http://jb.isonoe.net/CR/demo/Volcans_A5_d%C3%A9mo.pdf (28mo)
 - un format 20×20 avec marges de tous les cotés et marge de reliure au 
centre, sur la crête des Vosges : 
http://jb.isonoe.net/CR/demo/Vosges_20_20.pdf (83mo)
La documentation s'est éclaircie, j'espère compréhensible, elle est 
inclue dans l'archive.
Le téléchargement est possible toujours ici : 
http://jb.tradfrance.com/CarnetRando.zip (0.3mo) et de manière plus 
expérimentale pour moi, sur github : https://github.com/JBacc1/CarnetRando
Je risque de ne pas avoir trop de temps cette fin de semaine pour 
creuser loin si vous avez des questions très techniques, mais n'hésitez 
quand même pas à faire des retours.

JB.
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Volker Schmidt]

Sono principalmente interessato. Ma dovrebbe essere un evento per
mappatori, inclusi quelli che vogliono fare mappatura di base. Non penso
che ci sia tanta richiesta per aspetti avanzati e scientifici come quelli
della proposta originale.
Que cosa posso offrire? Un miniworkshop su mapillary. Come mappare
infrastrutture per bici. Che cosa mi interesserebbe ascoltare o partecipare
? Una tavola sulla qualità dati in Osm. Una tavola sugli import. Che cosa
deve sapere il mappatore per far funzionare il routing, incluso quello per
bici.
Se si fa una mapping party, potrei curare la parte mapillary. Una cosa che
serve a principianti e avanzati sarebbe una presentazione su relazioni.

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Re: [Talk-dk] Odense Ove Sprogøes Plads/Jernbanegade

[Soren Johannessen]

Hej Niels

Danmarks Adresser siger der kun er et adressepunkt på Ove Sprogøes
Plads (se vedhæftet billede)



2015-09-15 12:33 GMT+02:00 Niels Elgaard Larsen :
> Ove Sprogøes Plads i Odense var indtil for 10 år en del af Jernbanegade.
> Men adresseknuderne siger stadig Jernbanegade.
> Er det en fejl?
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-15 12:02 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo :

> I don't understand how a feature can be both "dismantled till the end
> of time" and "in the present".
>


this depends on the tags you use to describe it. If you say it is a not
being any more thing, it will likely remain like this. If you say it used
to be a thing until date, then it is the a=foo, end_date=date tagging style.




> The only state that you can keep
> forever is the state of not being. To me, "dismantled" as used in OSM
> rails is a much stronger definition than "dismantled legos", it is a
> synonym for "fully gone".
>


I agree.



> Saying that something is "fully gone in the
> present" is a roundabout way of saying that it is in the past.
>


yes, but still that's two different ways of saying it, the same as with
tagging.

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 15/09/2015 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

thing is, a dismantled railway has no end_date, it only has a start_date and 
will continue to be a dismantled railway, till the end of time


To check, did you mean abandoned railway? Dismantled railways *could* 
return to full usage  (I'm not advocating the use of end_date)



Anyway, end_date is just as broken as disused=yes, abandoned=yes, ruins=yes or 
any other qualifier that says that something is not any more what the other 
tags say.


Again to check, how would you tag this:
https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/35511/175632/f/1296319-Hill-of-Slane-church-ruins-2-1.jpg
Is this not acceptable?:
historic=castle
ruins=yes


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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Hola
No los hago yo los mapas de garmin. Los hace cdavila. Aunque suelo publicar
bastantes cosas de ellos, cuando se habla de errores sobre todo, ya que
también saca al hacerlo unos ficheros de errores muy buenos y yo los uso
bastante.

El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 12:36, Jose Luis ()
escribió:

> Hola Jorge,
>
> Me gustaria coincidir contigo, aunque fuera en una mapping party en
> Castilla y Leon, porque estoy muy interesado en aprender a crear mapas de
> Garmin a partir de OSM y creo que tu lo haces.
> O sea que estaré atento por si sale algo.
> Saludos
> Jose Luis
>
>
>
> -
> AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD
> Tanto este mensaje como todos los posibles documentos adjuntos al mismo
> son
> confidenciales y están  dirigidos exclusivamente a los
> destinatarios de los mismos. Por favor, si Ud no es uno de dichos
> destinatarios, notifíquenos este hecho y elimine el mensaje de su sistema.
> Queda prohibida la copia, difusión o revelación de su contenido a terceros
> sin el previo consentimiento por escrito de Crisfer Musical, S.L.
> En caso contrario, vulnerará la legislación vigente.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
> *To:* Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada
> (Navarra)
>
> Yo ando con ganas de una mapping party pero igual que esta me suelen caer
> algo lejos todas. A ver cuando nos animamos por Castilla y León hacer algo.
>
> El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 10:47, Jose Luis ()
> escribió:
>
>> Hola K1wi,
>>
>> Eso habia pensado yo, no dejar ninguna calle sin nombre y poner los
>> sentidos
>> correctamente, si os parece bien hacemos eso.
>> Aunque de momento solo parece que estemos 3 personas y no tiene pinta de
>> que
>> se apunten muchas mas. No se que te parece a ti, se puede hacer con solo
>> tres personas?
>> Por mi parte estoy dispuesto a lo que sea, porque estoy muy interesado en
>> aprender o sea que si a vosotros os parece bien, seguimos adelante.
>> Espero vuestra confirmación para fijar un dia.
>> Saludos
>> Jose Luis
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Alvaro Lara Cano]

Hola a todos,

oye, cuando queráis, hacemos una mapping party por CYL. Lo único, habría 
que elegir un lugar poco mapeado y también que nos pille medianemante 
bien a todos.


Por otra parte, los integrantes de OSM Burgos nos estamos comunicando 
constantemente mediante un grupo en Telegram. No se si sería buena idea, 
crear otro a nivel de España, aunque igual acaba siendo un poco caos... 
No sé, ahí lo dejo planteado.



Un saludo.

El 15/09/15 a las 13:49, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso escribió:

Hola
No los hago yo los mapas de garmin. Los hace cdavila. Aunque suelo 
publicar bastantes cosas de ellos, cuando se habla de errores sobre 
todo, ya que también saca al hacerlo unos ficheros de errores muy 
buenos y yo los uso bastante.


El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 12:36, Jose Luis (>) escribió:


Hola Jorge,
Me gustaria coincidir contigo, aunque fuera en una mapping party
en Castilla y Leon, porque estoy muy interesado en aprender a
crear mapas de Garmin a partir de OSM y creo que tu lo haces.
O sea que estaré atento por si sale algo.
Saludos
Jose Luis

-
AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD
Tanto este mensaje como todos los posibles documentos adjuntos al
mismo son
confidenciales y están  dirigidos exclusivamente a los
destinatarios de los mismos. Por favor, si Ud no es uno de dichos
destinatarios, notifíquenos este hecho y elimine el mensaje de su
sistema.
Queda prohibida la copia, difusión o revelación de su contenido a
terceros
sin el previo consentimiento por escrito de Crisfer Musical, S.L.
En caso contrario, vulnerará la legislación vigente.

- Original Message -
*From:* Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
*To:* Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap


*Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:45 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en
Burlada (Navarra)

Yo ando con ganas de una mapping party pero igual que esta me
suelen caer algo lejos todas. A ver cuando nos animamos por
Castilla y León hacer algo.

El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 10:47, Jose Luis
(>) escribió:

Hola K1wi,

Eso habia pensado yo, no dejar ninguna calle sin nombre y
poner los sentidos
correctamente, si os parece bien hacemos eso.
Aunque de momento solo parece que estemos 3 personas y no
tiene pinta de que
se apunten muchas mas. No se que te parece a ti, se puede
hacer con solo
tres personas?
Por mi parte estoy dispuesto a lo que sea, porque estoy
muy interesado en
aprender o sea que si a vosotros os parece bien, seguimos
adelante.
Espero vuestra confirmación para fijar un dia.
Saludos
Jose Luis


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-15 13:42 GMT+02:00 Dave F. :

> On 15/09/2015 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>> thing is, a dismantled railway has no end_date, it only has a start_date
>> and will continue to be a dismantled railway, till the end of time
>>
>
> To check, did you mean abandoned railway? Dismantled railways *could*
> return to full usage  (I'm not advocating the use of end_date)




everything _could_ return to full usage (maybe almost everything), but
rebuilding something is not the same as renovating it. I'd see dismantled
railways as a further step away from an active railway compared to
abandoned railways (in OSM).

Yes, we do not have good tags to model the history of things that come, go
(or are modified) and come again. E.g. what start_date should a railway
line get, that was built in 1880, closed and dismantled in 1926 and rebuilt
and reopened in 1998, with the same name, same location of the tracks, etc.?

I agree we should map present things, not the past, but should leave a way
open to cater for past things that have lasted into present time (also
partially or hidden) in some form or the other. An abandoned railway
clearly is something of the presence, dismantled railways are something
I've personally never mapped so far, and where I can understand the
reluctance of fellow mappers to tolerate them (in cases where literally
nothing has endured). Still, if you look careful you will find something
(traces) from a lot of past things, especially true for relatively recent
(compared to human history) and "high impact" stuff like railways.

cheers,
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[Talk-it] Isolare duplicati

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Ciao Lista.

Durante l'importazione degli indirizzi Friuli Venezia Giulia é apparso che
nei dati regionali ci sono circa 8.000 su 430.000 indirizzi multipli.

Per esempio ci sono 12 nodi a coordinate diverse taggati

Lignano Sabbiadoro
Via Spilimbergo
16

Che fare?
Isolarli e risolverli dopo l'import?
Rimuoverli prima e con loro anche l'unico valido?

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-15 13:42 GMT+02:00 Dave F. :

> Again to check, how would you tag this:
>
> https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/35511/175632/f/1296319-Hill-of-Slane-church-ruins-2-1.jpg
> Is this not acceptable?:
> historic=castle
> ruins=yes
>


I would prefer tagging like

historic=ruins
ruins=castle

(according to taginfo, this style is currently used 1849 times)
http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/historic=ruins#combinations


or ruins:historic=castle
(there are currently less than 100 tags in this way, most are
ruins:building=yes)

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Re: [Talk-es] Artículo sobre OSM en El Heraldo de Aragón

[Jose Luis]

Ese curso que vais a dar es solo para socios o alumnos de la universidad o 
puede ir cualquiera? Si puede ir cualquiera te agradeceria que me 
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Re: [Talk-cl] Reservas naturales cerca de Santiago

[Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana]

Tampoco creo que sea esa la idea. Si crees conocer los límites de esas 
áreas naturales de manera aproximada y aceptable, mejor las mapeas en 
lugar de que no existan en OSM. A la mayoría de las áreas naturales 
creadas en Chile no se le han precisado sus límites.


El 15/09/15 a las 10:27, Cristián Serpell escribió:

Muy interesantes todos los datos, muchas gracias. Me quedo tranquilo entonces
sin tocar estos lugares.

Cristián


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Re: [Talk-es] Grupo Telegram OSM España

[Xavier Barnada]

Hola Oscar, intento seguir el link y Telegram me dice que el grupo no
existe. La url es correcta? A alguien más le pasa?

Saludos

El dt., 15 set., 2015 19:26 Óscar Zorrilla Alonso <
oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com> va escriure:

> Buenas tardes;
>
>
>
> Acorde al hilo que comentaba mi compañero Álvaro Lara sobre un grupo de
> OSM España en Telegram. Hemos creado uno:
>
> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HTLrN9B2yqqeA
>
>
>
> La idea de este grupo sería al igual que el grupo de OSM Hispano
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2015-July/013200.html
> pero para tratar los temas locales de España y de esa forma poder
> coordinarnos mejor en los eventos, comunicaciones…
>
>
>
> Me parece buena idea seguir con el mismo criterio que el otro grupo a la
> hora de dar orden.
>
>
>
> Con el fin de darle orden a los contenidos del grupo utilizamos
>
> etiquetas para categorizar los contenidos (Todo pueden proponer más).
>
> Gracias a las opciones de búsqueda dentro de telegram, basta con colocar
>
> la etiqueta, y nos mostrará dichos resultados..
>
> #fixme : para comunicar errores o problemas en los elementos del mapa,
>
> #recomendado : para compartir información que puede ser de utilidad para
>
> todos, por ejemplo links, guías, estudios, software, entre otros
>
> #notas : para informar que se deben agregar notas en un lugar X o
>
> resolver
>
> #hotosm : informar eventos y coordinar actividades en campo y remoto, al
>
> momento de mapear catástrofes
>
> #tips : útil para compartir tips o trucos que mejoran o facilitan los
>
> procesos de edición
>
> #mappingparty : informar eventos y coordinar creación actividades
>
>
>
> Un saludo
>
> Óscar Zorrilla (@oscarzor/@osmburgos)
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Re: [Talk-lv] dxf to gpx

[Pēteris Brūns]

ogr2ogr
Piemēram visas līnijas no DXF faila "mans_fails.dxf" uz "mans_fails.gpx",
ja avota dati tiešām ir LKS92/Latvia TM:
ogr2ogr -f GPX -s_srs EPSG:3059 -t_srs EPSG:4326 -skipfailures
mans_fails.gpx mans_fails.dxf -nlt LINESTRING

Var arī savādāk, vairāk lasi http://www.gdal.org/ogr2ogr.html , katram
formātam sava specifika un viss atkarīgs ko no tā gribi izkasīt.

Veiksmīgi,

2015-09-15 16:26 GMT+03:00 cuu...@gmail.com :

> > Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
> (Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
> konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..
>
> Nezinu, kā tagad, bet senākos laikos Bing WMS slānis pats bija ar nobīdi.
> Turklāt nobīde bija atšķirīga dažādās vietās. Bing slāni vajadzēja
> pieregulēt pēc objektiem ar zināmām precīzām koordinātēm un tad tik varēja
> pārzīmēt.
>
> Pēteris
>
> 2015. gada 15. septembris 16:04 Māris Ostelis 
> rakstīja:
>
>> Konkrēti acīs iekrita Raņķi Skrundas novadā, kur bija nobīde starp ADTI
>> un openstreetmap. Jelgava arī izskatās līka.
>>
>> 2015. gada 15. septembris 15:47 Raitis Upmalis 
>> rakstīja:
>>
>>> Sveiks,
>>>
>>> Global mapper, iespējams arī ar qgis kaut ko var darīt.
>>> Par kuras pilsētas ēkām ir runa? Avoti ir dažādi - Bing (gan ar nobīdi,
>>> gan arī dažās vietās izlabotu), teritoriju plānojumi, dažās pilsētās tas
>>> pats adti.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-09-15 15:26 GMT+03:00 Māris Ostelis :
>>>
 Sveiki!
 Cad failu LKS-92 koordinātu sistēmā ar internetos izrokamo
 'dfx2gpx.exe' pārkovertēju uz gpx. Tas tiek iemests Atlantijas okeānā
 aptuveni 250km no Ganas krasta. Kāds varētu būt risinājums korektai
 konvertācijai?

 Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
 (Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
 konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..

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[Talk-es] Artículo sobre OSM en El Heraldo de Aragón

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola a todos,

Os escribo para compartir un texto que vengo escribiendo estos días para el
suplemento "Aragón, un país de montañas" [1] que publica los jueves el
periódico El Heraldo de Aragón en colaboración con la Federación Aragonesa
de Montañismo y que me han encargado al hilo de un curso sobre OSM que
vamos a organizar con el Club Alpino Universitario y la Oficina de Software
Libre de la Universidad de Zaragoza.

Como en otras ocasiones anteriores os comparto el enlace, por ahora la
"versión beta", por si os interesa echar un vistazo y comentar y/o corregir
alguna cosa que os parezca relevante.

El enlace es el siguiente:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4nnR5UC2lw63gQrub1P7G3_D8nalPdWIohQVEk6sAI/edit#

Tengo aún pendiente hacer una escapada a Riglos para "documentar"
gráficamente el ejemplo que quiero incluir en el artículo, por lo que
supongo que estaré editando el documento hasta la semana que viene.

Muchas gracias por adelantado por vuestra colaboración.

A ver si hay suerte y se une más gente a esta comunidad.

Un saludo

Miguel

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Joseph Reeves]

Ah, ok, I hadn't checked the US, but the other places I'd looked at used
OSM. The site seems to have fallen over now, however.



On 15 September 2015 at 17:19, Ian Dees  wrote:

> http://beta.mapquest.com/ does not use OSM data in the US, at least.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Joseph Reeves 
> wrote:
>
>> http://hello.mapquest.com/ ?
>>
>> On 14 September 2015 at 19:25, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>>
>>> I had an idea to add UMap functionality to OSM.org website and I
>>> discovered Mateusz Konieczny lately wanted to add a dynamic layer with
>>> opening hours (and some more data), which I think would be also useful for
>>> users:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1038
>>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1056
>>>
>>> However the response we got is that all the features on our website are
>>> there because they help mappers. While I'm sure overlay showing opening
>>> hours falls into this category easily, map personalization is primary a
>>> feature for end users (of course mappers may use it too, but it may not
>>> have direct impact on OSM data).
>>>
>>> This made me wonder if we care only for having portal for mappers and
>>> don't like to have some useful features just because they are addressed
>>> rather for data consumers? In most of the cases this is not the
>>> contradiction, but why should we "reject" end users' needs?
>>>
>>> OSM-carto, which is what I'm more familiar with, tries to reach both
>>> these groups:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md#purposes
>>
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Re: [Talk-cat] Atribució a PlatgesCat

[Jose Luis Infante]

Hola!

Com va aquest tema?

Doncs hem de donar un toc a http://www.citizensqkm.net/. L'altre dia vaig
veure un tuit del seu projecte, i em sembla que a la app tenen l'atribució,
però a la web no.

Salutacions,

JL

2015-08-27 11:56 GMT+02:00 Konfrare Albert :

> Ok, merci Jaume!
> Entenc que cap resposta...
>
> Donem-los uns dies (un mes?) i si no responen/rectifiquen iniciem
> campanya a Twitter? (MapViolations, etc)
>
> Salut!
>
>
> El dia 27/8/15, Jaume Figueras i Jové  ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> >
> > si que ho vaig enviar, el 28/7.
> >
> > Salut!
> >
> > On 26/08/15 13:38, Konfrare Albert wrote:
> >> Ep,
> >>
> >> Aprofitant el correu del Josep sobre el mapa de cobertura móbil reprenc
> >> aquest fil...
> >>
> >> Vam arribar a enviar el correu a PlatgesCat demanant-los l'atribució?[1]
> >>
> >> Ja direu
> >> Gràcies
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Carta_a_PlatgesCat
> >>
> >> El dia 20 de juny de 2015, 10:35, Xavier Barnada  >> > ha escrit:
> >>
> >> Hola ,
> >> El mes semblant que he trobat obert es aixo , pero no son dades que
> >> ens pugin ser utils,en el millor dels casos les podriem fer servir
> >> per verificar que tinguem totes les platges
> >> http://dadesobertes.gencat.cat/ca/cercador/detall-cataleg/?id=6330
> >>
> >> 2015-06-19 13:48 GMT+02:00 Konfrare Albert
> >>  >> >:
> >>
> >> Ep,
> >>
> >> Hem enviat el correu PlatgesCat?
> >>
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Carta_a_PlatgesCat
> >>
> >> Ho dic perquè he vist aquesta piulada:
> >> https://twitter.com/aigua_cat/status/611850954304958465
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> >> amb ping a:
> >> @OSM_Attribution: https://twitter.com/osm_attribution
> >> i a @MapViolations: https://twitter.com/mapviolations
> >>
> >> Abans d'arribar a aquest extrem penso que hem de provar la via
> >> diplomàtica ;)
> >> Salut!
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[OSM-talk-fr] Festival international de géographie, 2-4 oct 2015, Saint-Dié-des-Vosges

[althio]

Bonjour,

[petit rappel du message déposé sur le forum]
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2198
[/petit rappel]

OpenStreetMap France participera au Festival international de
géographie, du 2 au 4 octobre 2015, à Saint-Dié-des-Vosges.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_international_de_g%C3%A9ographie

Durant ces 3 jours, un stand exposant est réservé dans l'espace du
Salon de la géomatique.
Institut Nicolas Copernic (1er étage)
Place Jules-Ferry (face Hôtel de Ville)

http://www.fig.saint-die-des-vosges.fr/geographie/salon-geomatique

Une conférence est également prévue, certainement dimanche, pour une
présentation sous un angle généraliste d'OpenStreetMap.


Si vous habitez la région ou si vous faites le déplacement...
Si vous pouvez passer dire bonjour ou aider pour le stand...
Si vous avez des idées pour illustrer les utilisations diverses
(tourisme, collectivités, humanitaire, entreprise, ...), à inclure
dans la présentation, ou à afficher sur le stand...
... contactez-nous.

Benoît
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Re: [Talk-us] More strangeness in Baltimore

[Elliott Plack]

This changeset has the exact same extent of the earlier ones from the
BmoreHomicide user. Seems like they made a new account. Watch that one for
any additional changesets.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM Toby Murray  wrote:

> Agreed. The 7-Eleven shop this user added (twice - once as a node,
> once as a way) does not appear on the store locator on 7-eleven.com.
> While it wouldn't be entirely out of the question that OSM had a newer
> location than the chain's own store locator, the edits do seem very
> much the same as those from the previous two accounts that were banned
> so I'm pretty convinced it is the same person. Looks like Andy just
> blocked him again. I'll do a quick revert of the changesets.
>
> Toby
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Jack Burke  wrote:
> > I'll put money on it being the same vandal.
> > 1) The account was created today
> > 2) The account profile has the following on it: "Homicide: Life On The
> > Street Baltimore 1990"
> >
> > -jack
> >
> > On September 14, 2015 1:26:47 PM EDT, Andy Townsend 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Can any Baltimore locals veryify or otherwise the changes in
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34024769 ?
> >>
> >> It looks a similar style to the recent problematical ones there and at
> >> the very least that one seems to break some bus route relations.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse)
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
>> attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
>> coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area
>
>
> Paul - Ian's spot on: the new Mapquest maps on http://beta.mapquest.com/
> are OSM except in the US where they're TomTom.


Actually to be precise: OSM world wide, TomTom in US + Canada + Mexico.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] festival, animations : Temps des communs

[Karel Adams]

???

et pour les Flamands, la même chose?

Welkom in België!



On 15-09-15 18:55, althio wrote:

Bonjour,

Si vous voulez monter votre événement local dans le cadre du festival
Temps des Communs, c'est le moment pour chercher un lieu et des
co-organisateurs.

Ces événements, à l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou
informels et auto-organisés, se dérouleront sur une période de 2
semaines, du lundi 5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le
samedi 10 octobre.

Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
professionnels, pour les développeurs...

Inscrivez aussi votre événement dans le programme en ligne pour être
référencé et diffusé.

Benoît
OpenStreetMap France

2015-07-02 12:39 GMT+02:00 althio :

Bonjour,

À diffuser très largement dans vos réseaux locaux !


Notez dans vos agendas et créez le programme pour le festival
francophone des communs - Temps des communs, 5 au 18 octobre 2015.
http://tempsdescommuns.org/


OpenStreetMap France est participant, aux côtés de Vecam, Open
Knowledge Foundation, Wikimedia France, Brussels Commons, April,
Tiriad, Mozilla et bien d'autres participants [1].


Le Temps des communs en une page : le flyer [2]

Rencontres-débats, ateliers, colloques bien entendu, mais aussi
initiation aux licences libres ou à des logiciels libres,
cartoparties, écriture collaborative d’un manuel scolaire ouvert, troc
de semences, initiation à Arduino ou à une imprimante 3D, découverte
de l’open data culture, film sur l’autogestion de l’eau, décryptage de
l’habitat groupé… Plusieurs centaines d’événements sont attendus dans
toute la francophonie.

Ces événements se dérouleront sur une période de 2 semaines, du lundi
5 au dimanche 18 octobre, avec un temps fort le samedi 10 octobre, à
l’initiative libre des collectifs formels ou informels et
auto-organisés.


Retrouvez déjà dans le programme les ateliers de la communauté de Lyon
[3] [4]. Bientôt d'autres événements publiés, à Tours, et partout
ailleurs.


Envie de participer ? [5] [6]
Vous avez déjà un événement local qui s'inscrit dans le thème ? Vous
voulez monter un atelier, une cartopartie, un mapathon, une
exposition, pour les enfants, pour les cyclistes, pour les transports,
pour les mobilités réduites, pour le patrimoine, pour les
professionnels, pour les développeurs...

Alors créez votre événement local et ajoutez-le [7] sur le programme [8].


Besoin d'encore plus d'information ? Rejoignez les listes [9] ou
contactez l'organisation [10].

L'association OpenStreetMap France et la communauté OpenStreetMap sont
présentes pour vous assister en cas de besoin [11].


Veuillez diffuser !


Benoît
OpenStreetMap France


[1] participants
http://tempsdescommuns.org/partenaires_organisateurs/

[2] flyer
http://tempsdescommuns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FlyerTDC_V1.pdf

[3] [4] ateliers de Lyon
http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/68643426?lang=fr
http://openagenda.com/agendas/71092619/embeds/67628825/events/98071133?lang=fr

[5] participer
http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/
[6] idées
http://tempsdescommuns.org/participer-2/idees-d-evenements/

[7] ajouter
https://openagenda.com/letempsdescommuns/addevent
[8] programme
http://tempsdescommuns.org/programme-du-festival/

[9] listes 
http://tempsdescommuns.org/qui-sommes-nous/rejoindre-les-listes-du-reseau/
[10] organisation
http://tempsdescommuns.org/contact/contacter-lorganisation-etre-tenu-informe/

[11] forum
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6=2058

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Ruben Maes]

Tuesday 15 September 2015 15:12:12, Alex Barth:
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> > It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
> > attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
> > coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area
> 
> 
> Paul - Ian's spot on: the new Mapquest maps on http://beta.mapquest.com/
> are OSM except in the US where they're TomTom.

I am disgusted to find out that (while the map is definitely OSM) they aren't 
using OSM's POIs in Belgium.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 15.09.2015 18:10, Joseph Reeves napisał(a):

http://hello.mapquest.com/ [5] ?


Nice try, Sauron!... ;-)

I would say this is not the answer for OSM and for me this is half baked 
solution at best.


Nice things:
- Dynamic POI layers (but limited to some basic types of POIs)
- Satellite view (but limited to medium scale, at least in Warsaw)
- Traffic layer (but again, not working here)
- Menu for travel planning (I don't know which parts of the world are 
available in this service).

- Better low zoom.

...and that is all good (or just not bad).

Bad (or just lacking) things:
- High zoom levels are totally lacking details (osm-carto have it).
- Lack of different styles (we have 5 to choose).
- No innovative things (vector tiles for example).
- No personalization (like UMap).
- Ads.
- Lack of community control.
- Lack of OSM brand recognition (even copyright note is just one of 3 
and it's only to comply with the license probably).


It looks like a commercial traveler help, not general tool for end users 
of OSM. It may be a nice service in itself, but as a OSM portal for most 
of the people it'd be a failure in my opinion.


Our strength is a lot of details. We can show indoor levels of railway 
stations, 3D models of some buildings, insane amount of POIs and even 
their opening hours - but nobody will see it here. There's not a 
slightest hint you can start being a mapper if you want to add/correct 
some things in your neighborhood - which is another plus for end users.


Also, as it was already pointed out, we can't be sure what data are used 
and if one day it won't become YAMS (Yet-Another-Map-Service) which has 
nothing to do with OSM - or even simply hostile takeover by anyone with 
their own maps an agenda. And if we will promote it as a portal for our 
end users, we will make only this brand stronger, not our project brand 
(ever heard about GNU project eclipsed by other labels?). Or they can 
use our brand as a honeypot for mediocre/suspected services (ever heard 
about people downloading "Open Office" from third parties and mad about 
spam apps it brings?).


***

I'm happy to hear we may just have not enough horsepower at the moment, 
but we're not ignoring end users. It means we can mimic for example 
Mozilla in the future (dual social/commercial entity) or develop fair 
partnership with existing (or start-up) commercial enterprises, but we 
don't have to. We can also act as a hub and integrate some more external 
services, just like we already do with static map layers or routing 
services.


So if there are services like dynamic data layers or something 
UMap-driven which are ready to be a part of our hub, we won't have to 
rely entirely on our resources, while having the overall community 
control and brand recognition, with a smooth end user/mapper transition 
as a bonus.


Thanks for all your responses!

--
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Christoph Hormann]

On Tuesday 15 September 2015, Alex Barth wrote:
>
> Actually to be precise: OSM world wide, TomTom in US + Canada +
> Mexico.

Not that it matters much but Canada north of Lancaster Sound is OSM 
(though coastline is at least a few months old).

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Re: [Talk-GB] useless survey?

[Andy Townsend]

First of all - thank you for "properly mapping" this bit of the country.

Wales tends to be a bit of a poor relation when it comes to 
on-the-ground mapping (like some of the other bits of the island also 
far from population centres).  For those who aren't familiar with it, 
often the mapping away from the major tourist areas such as Snowdon, Pen 
Y Fan etc. is a mix ex-NPE waterways, footpaths from GPS traces and 
other bits filled in from Bing and the recollections of holidays long 
past.  For someone to come along and survey it properly and bring things 
up to date will be a huge improvement to the quality of the map there.


It's a shame that you've met resistance doing this.  With regard to the 
two sides to the argument, I'd tend to believe the person that writes 
changeset comments over the person that doesn't :)


Cheers,

Andy (SomeoneElse)

PS:  If you come back at any stage may I suggest mid-Wales?  Quite a lot 
there is still as it came from NPE: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bta



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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:

> W dniu 15.09.2015 18:10, Joseph Reeves napisał(a):
>
>> http://hello.mapquest.com/ [5] ?
>>
>
> Nice try, Sauron!... ;-)
>
> I would say this is not the answer for OSM and for me this is half baked
> solution at best.
>
> Nice things:
> - Dynamic POI layers (but limited to some basic types of POIs)
> - Satellite view (but limited to medium scale, at least in Warsaw)
> - Traffic layer (but again, not working here)
> - Menu for travel planning (I don't know which parts of the world are
> available in this service).
> - Better low zoom.
> ...and that is all good (or just not bad).
>
> Bad (or just lacking) things:
> - High zoom levels are totally lacking details (osm-carto have it).
> - Lack of different styles (we have 5 to choose).
> - No innovative things (vector tiles for example).
> - No personalization (like UMap).
> - Ads.
> - Lack of community control.
> - Lack of OSM brand recognition (even copyright note is just one of 3 and
> it's only to comply with the license probably)
>

http://maps.randmcnally.com/ sounds very close to what you're suggesting
(also, bonus points, brand recognition:  People trust Rand McNally, and
oddly enough, there's a pretty sizable attribution on the paper maps that
can be found in every gas station in the midwest, which also has an
elevator pitch for the project, IIRC).  I also tend to use Rand McNally's
OSM-based maps as a form of dog-fooding it when I have to break out the
orienteering compass and ruler because something broke or ran out of
batteries (I like OklaDOT, but the state's official paper maps aren't worth
what I paid, and they send 'em free by mail on request in any quantity you
want by law).

It looks like a commercial traveler help, not general tool for end users of
> OSM. It may be a nice service in itself, but as a OSM portal for most of
> the people it'd be a failure in my opinion.
>

Well, to be fair, AOL is trying to figure out how to generate revenue now
that the majority of online users aren't interested in a graphical BBS that
happens to have an internet gateway.  No marks off for effort since they're
having the same problems we're having with coming up with a portal (if
that's something we want to do).


> Our strength is a lot of details. We can show indoor levels of railway
> stations, 3D models of some buildings, insane amount of POIs and even their
> opening hours - but nobody will see it here. There's not a slightest hint
> you can start being a mapper if you want to add/correct some things in your
> neighborhood - which is another plus for end users.
>

So pull a server together and start another tileset.  Who knows?  It might
just be featured on the front page.


> Also, as it was already pointed out, we can't be sure what data are used
> and if one day it won't become YAMS (Yet-Another-Map-Service) which has
> nothing to do with OSM - or even simply hostile takeover by anyone with
> their own maps an agenda. And if we will promote it as a portal for our end
> users, we will make only this brand stronger, not our project brand (ever
> heard about GNU project eclipsed by other labels?). Or they can use our
> brand as a honeypot for mediocre/suspected services (ever heard about
> people downloading "Open Office" from third parties and mad about spam apps
> it brings?).
>

GNU still plays a very important part underpinning a lot of other projects,
though, and is an irreplaceable part of the software ecosphere at this
point.  Their portfolio is so broad right now that computing as we know it
today would not exist, and their tenacity means they'll still be around
after Microsoft's an interesting case study for project management and
legal students; they suck in projects and tend to kill 'em rather quickly
(see the many and various, and sometimes even competing, formerly separate
software products that make up Microsoft Office's thesaurus, spellchecker,
grammar checker, and various previously unix-style "do one thing well"
3rd-party tools Microsoft bought just to roll 'em in to that).  GNU tends
to have things snowball (Wikipedia nee GNUpedia) or inspire a more
successful, yet complementary project (Hurd, eclipsed by Linux).

That said, on your third point, that is a valid concern.  See also:
SourceForge (may it rest in pieces).  However, really the only way to
protect against a SourceForge scenario is not to become a "walled garden"
of open development, as happened with the collection of properties and
projects that make up Andover.net/Dice Interactive/whatever that collection
of stuff that lost momentum when it couldn't ride Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's
coat-tails anymore calls itself this senate term.  Which means

I'm happy to hear we may just have not enough horsepower at the moment, but
> we're not ignoring end users. It means we can mimic for example Mozilla in
> the future (dual social/commercial entity) or develop fair partnership with
> existing (or start-up) commercial 

Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Vítor Rodrigo Dias]

Mas aí já é uma questão de se discutir a possibilidade de renderizar brand
ou operator juntamente com o nome...

Em ter, 15 de set de 2015 às 11:08, Arlindo Pereira <
openstreet...@arlindopereira.com> escreveu:

> Será? Você vai no Banco do Brasil ou na Agência Avenida Brasil pagar uma
> conta?
>
> Você vai fazer uma busca no mapa por "Bradesco" ou por "Agência Avenida
> Paulista"?
>
> :-)
>
> 2015-09-15 10:20 GMT-03:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira :
>
>> 2015-09-15 10:16 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira <
>> openstreet...@arlindopereira.com>:
>> >
>> > O que eu costumo fazer é atribuir o name=* igual ao brand=* e colocar o
>> nome
>> > da agência em official_name=*.
>>
>> Mas isso é tagging for the renderer :-)
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Re: [talk-ph] turn restrictions mapping

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:01 AM, maning sambale  wrote:

> I'm trying to use JOSM's turn lane plugin as described by andygol [0].
>

The comments on that diary entry are quite informative. I really like the
JOSM plugin (so shiny!) that supports the relation-style turn-lanes
schema, but prolific mappers from Germany support an older, simpler,
relation-less turn-lanes schema.

I'm not yet sure which schema we should adopt for the Philippines.
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Vitor George]

Concordo com o Arlindo. Ficou parecendo "tagging for the renderer" por que
ele falou "quando olho no mapa", mas, pelo que entendo, a tag "name" deve
conter o nome pelo qual o ponto é conhecido no local. O official_name
parece ser o mais adequado para o nome da agência.

2015-09-15 11:07 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira :

> Será? Você vai no Banco do Brasil ou na Agência Avenida Brasil pagar uma
> conta?
>
> Você vai fazer uma busca no mapa por "Bradesco" ou por "Agência Avenida
> Paulista"?
>
> :-)
>
> 2015-09-15 10:20 GMT-03:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira :
>
>> 2015-09-15 10:16 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira <
>> openstreet...@arlindopereira.com>:
>> >
>> > O que eu costumo fazer é atribuir o name=* igual ao brand=* e colocar o
>> nome
>> > da agência em official_name=*.
>>
>> Mas isso é tagging for the renderer :-)
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2015-09-15 11:07 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira :
> Será? Você vai no Banco do Brasil ou na Agência Avenida Brasil pagar uma
> conta?
>
> Você vai fazer uma busca no mapa por "Bradesco" ou por "Agência Avenida
> Paulista"?

Depende. Tem uso pros dois casos.
Tem gente que quer ir no posto da marca X, independente do nome, dono, etc.
Tem outros que querem ir no Posto do Zequinha.

O OSM é apenas a base de dados e a decisão de mostrar o nome, número
da agência, marca, etc, é do renderizador.

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Re: [Talk-br] Grupo do Telegram

[Mario Müller]

Ola,

na Alemanha nos usamos seguinte tags, traduzindo por lado alemao:

 * name =* - Nome do Banco
 * operator =* -
   Rede do Banco (p.ex.: ITAU, Bradesco)
 * atm =yes/no pode
   usar para mostra se o banco tem caixa electronica. Mas por Caixa usa
   um ponto com o Tag amenity
   =atm
    . Assim
   voce mostra a quantidade de caixas electronicos.
 * opening_hours
   =* -
   Horario de banco
 * bic =* - wikipedia:Bank
   Identifier Code 
   Identificaça Internacional do Banco - Standards ISO 9362 Bank Iden.
   Code.

Abraço Mario

Am 15/09/2015 um 10:33 schrieb Vitor George:

Oi pessoal,

Criamos um grupo de Telegram para a comunidade brasileira:

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAGuLztFjfi3YGbQSw

Tem também um da comunidade Latinoamericana:

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAJPGQVajey6dG9pMQ

Abraços,
Vitor


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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Gerald Weber]

Se você tagear todas as a agências do Bradesco como name=Bradesco a sua
busca vai retornar centenas de resultados tornando isto efetivamente inútil.

Concordo com o Nelson, você deste jeito está mapeando para o renderizador .

abraço

Gerald

2015-09-15 11:07 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira :

> Será? Você vai no Banco do Brasil ou na Agência Avenida Brasil pagar uma
> conta?
>
> Você vai fazer uma busca no mapa por "Bradesco" ou por "Agência Avenida
> Paulista"?
>
> :-)
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Re: [Talk-it] Check way - Segrate (MI)

[Max1234Ita]

L'ho letta ora :-)

Quindi, se ho ben capito, il modo più efficace in questo caso sarebbe
un'altra way con:
leisure=park
location=rooftop
layer=1

Mentre la strada che porta ai garage dovrebbe avere tunnel=building_passage


E' corretto?
Ciao e grazie,
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Re: [Talk-dk] Odense Ove Sprogøes Plads/Jernbanegade

[Soren Johannessen]

Undskylder glemte så at vedhæfte billedet

Danmarks Adresser er helt tidstro (dvs 24 timer bagud) - så det er
ikke gamle adressepunkter vi ser

vh
Søren Johannessen



2015-09-15 13:36 GMT+02:00 Soren Johannessen :
> Hej Niels
>
> Danmarks Adresser siger der kun er et adressepunkt på Ove Sprogøes
> Plads (se vedhæftet billede)
>
>
>
> 2015-09-15 12:33 GMT+02:00 Niels Elgaard Larsen :
>> Ove Sprogøes Plads i Odense var indtil for 10 år en del af Jernbanegade.
>> Men adresseknuderne siger stadig Jernbanegade.
>> Er det en fejl?
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Isolare duplicati

[Damjan Gerl]

Ciao!
Come avevo scritto sulla lista regionale credo questi errori siano da valutare 
da caso a caso. Io, per i comuni che ho importato, almeno dove potevo, sono 
andato a controllare sul posto. Altrimenti una ricerca su internet magari può 
aiutare.
Nel peggiore dei casi, se non si ottengono risultati nella ricerca dell'errore, 
direi di lasciare solo uno dei nodi, magari quello centrale, o lasciarli 
tutti... a discrezione del importatore :-)

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> Ciao Lista.
> Durante l'importazione degli indirizzi Friuli Venezia Giulia é apparso che 
> nei dati regionali ci sono circa 8.000 su 430.000 indirizzi multipli.
> Per esempio ci sono 12 nodi a coordinate diverse taggati
> Lignano Sabbiadoro
> Via Spilimbergo
> 16
> Che fare?
> Isolarli e risolverli dopo l'import?
> Rimuoverli prima e con loro anche l'unico valido?
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Re: [Talk-es] Evolucion de exit_to, destination, name en las salidas

[k1wi]

Una pregunta tonta: Cada cuanto tiempo se actualizan esos archivos de errores?

k1wi

> El 15/9/2015, a las 10:43, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso  
> escribió:
> 
> En los archivos de errores de 
> http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/descargas.php hay uno de errores de 
> motorway_exits que seria util solucionar para el tema de las autopistas.
> 
>> El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 19:19, Antonio Clavero () 
>> escribió:
>> enhorabuena por el trabajo! Gusta comprobar que hay gente igual de 
>> obsesionado por los mapas que uno mismo. 
>> Una pregunta, se pueden saber todos los puntos kilométricos de las 
>> carreteras? En caso negativo, como se harían? Uno a uno o de manera 
>> automática? El primer método me parece un trabajo demasiado monótono y 
>> pienso que quizás exista el segundo.
>> Un saludo
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>> > El 14/9/2015, a las 18:15, k1wi  escribió:
>> >
>> > Hola a todos!
>> >
>> > Creo que ya sabéis que estoy un poco obsesionado con las autopistas, aquí 
>> > va otra entrega. He hecho un gráfico con la evolución del etiquetado de 
>> > las salidas en las autopistas/autovías españolas (exit_to, destination, 
>> > name).
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/k1wi/diary/35840
>> >
>> > k1wi
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Yo estoy en el Telegram de varios países de habla hispana y en principio no
es mucho lío. También depende de la actividad que tenga claro. A mi me
parece buena idea uno para España.


El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 13:56, Alvaro Lara Cano ()
escribió:

> Hola a todos,
>
> oye, cuando queráis, hacemos una mapping party por CYL. Lo único, habría
> que elegir un lugar poco mapeado y también que nos pille medianemante bien
> a todos.
>
> Por otra parte, los integrantes de OSM Burgos nos estamos comunicando
> constantemente mediante un grupo en Telegram. No se si sería buena idea,
> crear otro a nivel de España, aunque igual acaba siendo un poco caos... No
> sé, ahí lo dejo planteado.
>
>
> Un saludo.
>
> El 15/09/15 a las 13:49, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso escribió:
>
> Hola
> No los hago yo los mapas de garmin. Los hace cdavila. Aunque suelo
> publicar bastantes cosas de ellos, cuando se habla de errores sobre todo,
> ya que también saca al hacerlo unos ficheros de errores muy buenos y yo los
> uso bastante.
>
> El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 12:36, Jose Luis ()
> escribió:
>
>> Hola Jorge,
>>
>> Me gustaria coincidir contigo, aunque fuera en una mapping party en
>> Castilla y Leon, porque estoy muy interesado en aprender a crear mapas
>> de Garmin a partir de OSM y creo que tu lo haces.
>> O sea que estaré atento por si sale algo.
>> Saludos
>> Jose Luis
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
>> *To:* Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:45 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada
>> (Navarra)
>>
>> Yo ando con ganas de una mapping party pero igual que esta me suelen caer
>> algo lejos todas. A ver cuando nos animamos por Castilla y León hacer algo.
>>
>> El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 10:47, Jose Luis ()
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hola K1wi,
>>>
>>> Eso habia pensado yo, no dejar ninguna calle sin nombre y poner los
>>> sentidos
>>> correctamente, si os parece bien hacemos eso.
>>> Aunque de momento solo parece que estemos 3 personas y no tiene pinta de
>>> que
>>> se apunten muchas mas. No se que te parece a ti, se puede hacer con solo
>>> tres personas?
>>> Por mi parte estoy dispuesto a lo que sea, porque estoy muy interesado en
>>> aprender o sea que si a vosotros os parece bien, seguimos adelante.
>>> Espero vuestra confirmación para fijar un dia.
>>> Saludos
>>> Jose Luis
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Re: [Talk-es] Evolucion de exit_to, destination, name en las salidas

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Se actualizan diariamente.

El mar., 15 sept. 2015 a las 15:59, k1wi () escribió:

> Una pregunta tonta: Cada cuanto tiempo se actualizan esos archivos de
> errores?
>
>
> k1wi
>
> El 15/9/2015, a las 10:43, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
> escribió:
>
> En los archivos de errores de
> http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/descargas.php hay uno de errores de
> motorway_exits que seria util solucionar para el tema de las autopistas.
>
> El lun., 14 sept. 2015 a las 19:19, Antonio Clavero ()
> escribió:
>
>> enhorabuena por el trabajo! Gusta comprobar que hay gente igual de
>> obsesionado por los mapas que uno mismo. 
>> Una pregunta, se pueden saber todos los puntos kilométricos de las
>> carreteras? En caso negativo, como se harían? Uno a uno o de manera
>> automática? El primer método me parece un trabajo demasiado monótono y
>> pienso que quizás exista el segundo.
>> Un saludo
>>
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>> > El 14/9/2015, a las 18:15, k1wi  escribió:
>> >
>> > Hola a todos!
>> >
>> > Creo que ya sabéis que estoy un poco obsesionado con las autopistas,
>> aquí va otra entrega. He hecho un gráfico con la evolución del etiquetado
>> de las salidas en las autopistas/autovías españolas (exit_to, destination,
>> name).
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/k1wi/diary/35840
>> >
>> > k1wi
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Arlindo Pereira]

Será? Você vai no Banco do Brasil ou na Agência Avenida Brasil pagar uma
conta?

Você vai fazer uma busca no mapa por "Bradesco" ou por "Agência Avenida
Paulista"?

:-)

2015-09-15 10:20 GMT-03:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira :

> 2015-09-15 10:16 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira <
> openstreet...@arlindopereira.com>:
> >
> > O que eu costumo fazer é atribuir o name=* igual ao brand=* e colocar o
> nome
> > da agência em official_name=*.
>
> Mas isso é tagging for the renderer :-)
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Re: [Talk-dk] Odense Ove Sprogøes Plads/Jernbanegade

[Jørgen Elgaard Larsen]

> Ove Sprogøes Plads i Odense var indtil for 10 år en del af Jernbanegade.
> Men adresseknuderne siger stadig Jernbanegade.
> Er det en fejl?

Det tror jeg ikke.

Kommunens hjemmeside linker til KortInfo. Heraf fremgår det, at vejen
stadig hedder Jernbanegade, i hvert fald et stykke af den:

http://drift.kortinfo.net/Map.aspx?Site=Odense=Kortopslag=1955=587719.4317791921;6139705.893763442;587852.5031583308;6139785.164028611=219372,188171,90454=Lite

Hvis man kigger i Google Streetview, bliver man endnu mere forvirret: På
den ene side af gaden siger skiltet "Jernbanegade", på den anden side "Ove
Sprogøes Plads".

Hvis jeg stod på stedet, ville jeg nok konkludere, at gaden (way 23275375)
hedder Jernbanegade, mens krydset Jernbanegade/Vestergade hedder Ove
Sprogøes Plads.

Det passer også meget godt med, at der ligger en adresseknude for "Ove
Sprogøes plads 1" der - som er forskellig fra "Jernbanegade 1".


Men det er nu svært at blive klog på husnumre i Odense - de har bl.a. lige
numre i venstre side af gaden!

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Re: [Talk-dk] Odense Ove Sprogøes Plads/Jernbanegade

[Niels Elgaard Larsen]

"Jørgen Elgaard Larsen":
>> Ove Sprogøes Plads i Odense var indtil for 10 år en del af Jernbanegade.
>> Men adresseknuderne siger stadig Jernbanegade.
>> Er det en fejl?
> 
> Det tror jeg ikke.
> 
> Kommunens hjemmeside linker til KortInfo. Heraf fremgår det, at vejen
> stadig hedder Jernbanegade, i hvert fald et stykke af den:

Så det er en fejl at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23275375
hedder Ove Sprogøes Plads

Den burde hedde Jernbanegade og så burder der være en lille plads
omkring springvandet, der hedder Ove Sprogøes Plads?


Det virker i øvrigt også forkert, at der ligger et springvand *på* en
vej. Det er ikke engang tagget som barrier :-)


> http://drift.kortinfo.net/Map.aspx?Site=Odense=Kortopslag=1955=587719.4317791921;6139705.893763442;587852.5031583308;6139785.164028611=219372,188171,90454=Lite
> 
> Hvis man kigger i Google Streetview, bliver man endnu mere forvirret: På
> den ene side af gaden siger skiltet "Jernbanegade", på den anden side "Ove
> Sprogøes Plads".
> 
> Hvis jeg stod på stedet, ville jeg nok konkludere, at gaden (way 23275375)
> hedder Jernbanegade, mens krydset Jernbanegade/Vestergade hedder Ove
> Sprogøes Plads.
> 
> Det passer også meget godt med, at der ligger en adresseknude for "Ove
> Sprogøes plads 1" der - som er forskellig fra "Jernbanegade 1".
> 
> 
> Men det er nu svært at blive klog på husnumre i Odense - de har bl.a. lige
> numre i venstre side af gaden!
> 
> - Jørgen
> 
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2015-09-15 10:16 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira :
>
> O que eu costumo fazer é atribuir o name=* igual ao brand=* e colocar o nome
> da agência em official_name=*.

Mas isso é tagging for the renderer :-)

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Re: [Talk-lv] dxf to gpx

[cuu...@gmail.com]

> Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
(Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..

Nezinu, kā tagad, bet senākos laikos Bing WMS slānis pats bija ar nobīdi.
Turklāt nobīde bija atšķirīga dažādās vietās. Bing slāni vajadzēja
pieregulēt pēc objektiem ar zināmām precīzām koordinātēm un tad tik varēja
pārzīmēt.

Pēteris

2015. gada 15. septembris 16:04 Māris Ostelis  rakstīja:

> Konkrēti acīs iekrita Raņķi Skrundas novadā, kur bija nobīde starp ADTI un
> openstreetmap. Jelgava arī izskatās līka.
>
> 2015. gada 15. septembris 15:47 Raitis Upmalis 
> rakstīja:
>
>> Sveiks,
>>
>> Global mapper, iespējams arī ar qgis kaut ko var darīt.
>> Par kuras pilsētas ēkām ir runa? Avoti ir dažādi - Bing (gan ar nobīdi,
>> gan arī dažās vietās izlabotu), teritoriju plānojumi, dažās pilsētās tas
>> pats adti.
>>
>>
>> 2015-09-15 15:26 GMT+03:00 Māris Ostelis :
>>
>>> Sveiki!
>>> Cad failu LKS-92 koordinātu sistēmā ar internetos izrokamo 'dfx2gpx.exe'
>>> pārkovertēju uz gpx. Tas tiek iemests Atlantijas okeānā aptuveni 250km no
>>> Ganas krasta. Kāds varētu būt risinājums korektai konvertācijai?
>>>
>>> Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
>>> (Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
>>> konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..
>>>
>>> sominens
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Re: [Talk-cl] Reservas naturales cerca de Santiago

[Cristián Serpell]

Muy interesantes todos los datos, muchas gracias. Me quedo tranquilo entonces
sin tocar estos lugares.

Cristián


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[Talk-br] Grupo do Telegram

[Vitor George]

Oi pessoal,

Criamos um grupo de Telegram para a comunidade brasileira:

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAGuLztFjfi3YGbQSw

Tem também um da comunidade Latinoamericana:

https://telegram.me/joinchat/AoFynAJPGQVajey6dG9pMQ

Abraços,
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[Talk-lv] dxf to gpx

[Māris Ostelis]

Sveiki!
Cad failu LKS-92 koordinātu sistēmā ar internetos izrokamo 'dfx2gpx.exe'
pārkovertēju uz gpx. Tas tiek iemests Atlantijas okeānā aptuveni 250km no
Ganas krasta. Kāds varētu būt risinājums korektai konvertācijai?

Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
(Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..

sominens
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Re: [Talk-lv] dxf to gpx

[Māris Ostelis]

Konkrēti acīs iekrita Raņķi Skrundas novadā, kur bija nobīde starp ADTI un
openstreetmap. Jelgava arī izskatās līka.

2015. gada 15. septembris 15:47 Raitis Upmalis  rakstīja:

> Sveiks,
>
> Global mapper, iespējams arī ar qgis kaut ko var darīt.
> Par kuras pilsētas ēkām ir runa? Avoti ir dažādi - Bing (gan ar nobīdi,
> gan arī dažās vietās izlabotu), teritoriju plānojumi, dažās pilsētās tas
> pats adti.
>
>
> 2015-09-15 15:26 GMT+03:00 Māris Ostelis :
>
>> Sveiki!
>> Cad failu LKS-92 koordinātu sistēmā ar internetos izrokamo 'dfx2gpx.exe'
>> pārkovertēju uz gpx. Tas tiek iemests Atlantijas okeānā aptuveni 250km no
>> Ganas krasta. Kāds varētu būt risinājums korektai konvertācijai?
>>
>> Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
>> (Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
>> konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..
>>
>> sominens
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapear agências bancárias

[Arlindo Pereira]

Não concordo muito com o uso da tag name para bancos e alguns outros
amenities como posto de gasolina. Quando eu olho para um mapa, quero ver
"Itaú" e "Shell", não "Agência Rio Branco" e "Posto do seu Zé". Adicionar
os dois na tag name me parece igualmente ruim, porque a legenda do ícone
potencialmente vai cobrir outros elementos ou não ser renderizada at all
devido ao seu tamanho.

O que eu costumo fazer é atribuir o name=* igual ao brand=* e colocar o
nome da agência em official_name=*.

[]s
Arlindo

2015-09-14 20:26 GMT-03:00 Vítor Rodrigo Dias :

> Caros,
>
> Como os senhores têm mapeado agências bancárias? A página da wiki me
> deixou com uma pulga atrás da orelha no tocante ao nome da agência que deve
> aparecer: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank
>
> E o número da agência, iria na tag ref=? Vi na discussão do artigo que tem
> gente adotando esse estilo.
>
> Abraços!
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Re: [Talk-lv] dxf to gpx

[Raitis Upmalis]

Sveiks,

Global mapper, iespējams arī ar qgis kaut ko var darīt.
Par kuras pilsētas ēkām ir runa? Avoti ir dažādi - Bing (gan ar nobīdi, gan
arī dažās vietās izlabotu), teritoriju plānojumi, dažās pilsētās tas pats
adti.


2015-09-15 15:26 GMT+03:00 Māris Ostelis :

> Sveiki!
> Cad failu LKS-92 koordinātu sistēmā ar internetos izrokamo 'dfx2gpx.exe'
> pārkovertēju uz gpx. Tas tiek iemests Atlantijas okeānā aptuveni 250km no
> Ganas krasta. Kāds varētu būt risinājums korektai konvertācijai?
>
> Papildus jautājums. Kā uzliktas ēkas šā brīža kartē? Salīdzinot ar ADTI
> (Augstas tealizācijas topogrāfisko informāciju) tās ir ar kaut kādu
> konstantu nobīdi. Tā pat nobīde redzam arī uz Bing ortofoto pamatnes..
>
> sominens
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Re: [Talk-br] [Bulk] Re: what3words

[Gerald Weber]

Oi Turma

obrigado pelos comentários, foi muito interessante.

concordo com vocês, se a base é proprietária então estraga a brincadeira.
Não só isto, colocaria um poder enorme na mão dos donos se isto se tornasse
uma coisa popular.

Mas aí agora estou intrigado, se é proprietário então porque o Mapillary
está apoiando a iniciativa?

abraço

Gerald

2015-09-14 15:22 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira :

> Só um comentário sobre o what3words, as palavras não são somente em
> inglês, aparentemente eles tem os endereços em várias línguas (não sendo as
> palavras diretamente uma tradução direta).
> http://what3words.com/pt-br/sobre/perguntas-frequentes/#toggle-id-4
>
> Mas, como dito, é proprietário. :/
>
> []s
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Re: [Talk-it] Check way - Segrate (MI)

[Volker Schmidt]

Ecco il primo messaggio dello thread che avevo lanciato su tagging:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-September/026485.html
Aspetterei ancora qualche giorno, se viene ancora una proposta più adatta.

Volker

On 15 September 2015 at 13:29, Max1234Ita  wrote:

> L'ho letta ora :-)
>
> Quindi, se ho ben capito, il modo più efficace in questo caso sarebbe
> un'altra way con:
> leisure=park
> location=rooftop
> layer=1
>
> Mentre la strada che porta ai garage dovrebbe avere tunnel=building_passage
>
>
> E' corretto?
> Ciao e grazie,
> Max
>
>
>
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> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Check-way-Segrate-MI-tp5854511p5854767.html
> Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie + communes associées Lille

[Philippe Verdy]

il serait temps de lancer un chantier pour les 700 communes associées. Dabs
ismul n'y en a qu'une poignée et certains le sont mis en niveau 10 en les
confibdant a tord avec des quartiers. et documenter qu'en France le niveau
9 n'est PAS QUE pour les arrondissements communaux de PLM et qu'il est
impossible de les confondre. Les arrondissements n'ayant pas de nom mais
juste un numéro d'ordre et n'existant que dans dans communes qui n'ont
aucune commune associée. Il n'est même pas utile d'ajouter un autre tag
pour les statuts spéciaux de PLM qu'on peut traiter comme des exceptions
connues. maus on peut aussi ajouter en une seule fois un
admin_type=FR:arrondissement, ou simplement voir qu'il y a le mot
arrondissement dans le name=*, ou voir les codes insee des 3 communes
mères. Aucun tag pour les ~700 autres, admin_level=9 suffit mais on
pourrait avoir admin_type=FR:commune associée ou un des autres statuts
possibles pour désigner le type de fusion si on veut les différencier parmi
les 700.
Le 14 sept. 2015 09:25, "adrien carpentier"  a
écrit :

> Salut à tous
> pour info et remarque : il existe une liste locale npdc qui aurait pu vous
> donner qqs détails sur la situation de Lille ou de Dunkerque (->il me
> semble d'ailleurs, pour rejoindre le sujet originel de ce fil, que
> plusieurs communes de la communauté urbaine de Dunkerque ont pour projet de
> fusionner...)
>
> d'où ma 2e remarque, quand le sujet dévie à ce point du sujet initial
> (fusion des communes en Normandie...) serait-il possible de passer à un
> autre fil?
> en effet, pour celles et ceux, abonnés à la liste, mais qui ne lisent pas
> toutes les discussions ça peut aider à choisir quoi ouvrir car (excusez moi
> les normands, mais...) la fusion des communes en Normandie n'avait pas
> attiré à première vue mon attention, mais les discussions sur les
> quartiers/communes associées de Lille sont plus dans mes cordes surtout que
> j'ai au moins participé à créer qqs relations de quartier
>
> du coup, sur ce thème spécifique : je pense effectivement que les communes
> associées (Hellemmes et Lomme) n'ont toujours pas le même statut que les
> quartiers de Lille "intra-muros"
> cela a été très bien décrit par Thomas
> cependant, les quartiers ne sont pas que des lieux dit : ils ont une
> délimitation réelle définie par la mairie, avec chacun un conseil de
> quartier, un président, une mairie... ils sont du coup à mon sens bien dans
> la définition d'un zonage administratif
>
> je ne connaissais pas ces exemples de rue Jacquard à Lille/Lomme, mais les
> suffixes de communes n'ont rien à faire dans OSM, il s'agit sans doute
> d'informations tirées du cadastre
> cela rejoint la question de Aurélien dans un autre message et me permets
> de vous signaler que nous nous sommes vus à qqs contributeurs locaux la
> semaine dernière et que la vérification et amélioration des noms de voies)
> un des sujets qui nous préoccupent actuellement, nous prévoyons donc un
> nettoyage important des noms de voies pour un meilleur rapprochement
> OSM/BANO
>
> à bientôt
> adrien
>
> Le 12 septembre 2015 10:51, Mathias  a écrit :
>
>> Enfin ce n'est pas tout à fait comme les lieux-dit.
>> Ce sont des localités, c est le terme je le crois le plus exact.
>> Il y a le niveau commune, qui avec l'augmentation des communes déléguées
>> va devenir de plus en plus un objet géographique "abstrait" en rupture avec
>> le vécu géographique personnel des habitants (j'énonce un fait, et non une
>> critique).
>> Le lieu vécu géographique par les personnes restera l'ancienne commune,
>> lorsqu'elle correspond à une localité, qui est le bon niveau de repérage
>> pour tout à chacun. La localité pouvant être composés de plusieurs lieux
>> dit.
>> A mon avis on ne peux mettre les deux à même hauteur, sauf si on admet
>> qu'un lieux dit peut etre inclus dans une localité (dit autrement qu'un
>> lieu dit puisse être inclus en partie ou entièrement dans un autre).
>>
>>
>> Le 12 sept. 2015 à 09:32, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
>>
>> +1, c'est d'ailleurs ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Brest.
>> admin_level doit être réservé à des niveaux administratifs.
>> Les quartiers c'est a priori comme des lieux-dits.
>>
>> Le niveau admin_level pour les cantons qui dans la pratique ont le nom de
>> leur chef-lieu pose déjà soucis lors des recherches Nominatim (on tombe sur
>> les adresses des villes d'à côté parce que dans le même canton), alors
>> ajouter un niveau bidon...
>>
>>
>> Jean-Yvon
>>
>> Le 12/09/2015 04:07, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>> si c'est juste des quartiers et pas un découpage administratif pourquoi
>> garder admin_level et ne pas seulement mettre place=suburb?
>>
>> Le 11 septembre 2015 21:36, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Steve Coast]

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:21 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> Over the years the expectation has been that somebody would take OSM
> data and create such an end user portal, but as we know, that has never
> happened outside a couple of aborted or zombie projects (three that come
> to mind are MapQuest, bing and skobbler, but I'm sure there have been more).
> 
> I once asked around what the original vision was for OSM, but nobody
> seemed to be sure if originally the intention was to cater for
> end-users, it definitely hasn't been the case for the majority of the
> roughly 10 years the project has been around.

It was. Why that didn’t happen is a long story.

As for the rest of the email - a kickstarter project would probably work, but 
not by committee.

> In any case the main problem is that it is not possible to build a sane
> commercial business plan around providing such a portal and that
> providing maps is just one (now days small, thanks to OSM) part of what
> a viable map portal/app would need to offer as Frederik has already
> pointed out (note this is not limited to OSM, one of the reasons for the
> rapid dispatching of Here/Navteq by Nokia was the failed attempt to
> provide exactly such a end-user service).
> 
> Naturally the main competitor for an audience is google which is likely
> sinking billions into google maps with nearly no direct income from the
> service (google doesn't actually disclose any specific numbers, what is
> however known is their advertising revenue vs. other sources). I think
> it is clear that competing on a commercial footing is just completely
> out of the question and -not- going to happen, so Frederik is being a
> bit misleading if he points to that as a realistic possibility.
> 
> What is largely unexplored is a non-commercial operation at the level
> that would be necessary to provide the missing bits and pieces. Given
> the intolerance of the masses for a less than google like perfection
> (see the issues Strava is having and that with an audience that
> historically has been sympathetic to OSM) and the problem that you have
> at least one viable commercial operator in the market, obtaining
> sufficient funding is likely to be -very- difficult.
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Michele Mondelli]

Nella mia idea, l'OSMIT dovrebbe avere più "livelli".
Sicuramente dovrebbe essere un momento di incontro tra gli "addetti ai
lavori",
ovvero coloro che dedicano tempo e anima al progetto open street map e che
reggono la baracca.
Però mi piacerebbe ci fossero anche dei momenti dedicati ai meno esperti:
sia a chi vuole avvicinarsi e non capisce bene di cosa si parli, sia chi si
partecipa come mappatore al progetto ma non è mai entrato in dettagli
tecnici o simili.
Giulio e Volker, se potete partecipate all'hangout di domani sera, in modo
da poterci confrontare su questi aspetti!


Il giorno 15 settembre 2015 13:10, Volker Schmidt  ha
scritto:

> Sono principalmente interessato. Ma dovrebbe essere un evento per
> mappatori, inclusi quelli che vogliono fare mappatura di base. Non penso
> che ci sia tanta richiesta per aspetti avanzati e scientifici come quelli
> della proposta originale.
> Que cosa posso offrire? Un miniworkshop su mapillary. Come mappare
> infrastrutture per bici. Che cosa mi interesserebbe ascoltare o partecipare
> ? Una tavola sulla qualità dati in Osm. Una tavola sugli import. Che cosa
> deve sapere il mappatore per far funzionare il routing, incluso quello per
> bici.
> Se si fa una mapping party, potrei curare la parte mapillary. Una cosa che
> serve a principianti e avanzati sarebbe una presentazione su relazioni.
>
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