[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=picnic_table

2009-06-22 Thread John Smith
Proposal Page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/picnic_table This is proposal for tagging picnic tables, as amenity=bench and tourism=picnic_site aren't adequate enough to label these amenities correctly. ___ talk mailing

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - restriction=school_zone

2009-06-23 Thread John Smith
Proposal Page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:restriction%3Dschool_zone To mark school zones, where the maxspeed varies by time of day, day of week and time of year. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM wms-plugin troubles (Yahoo! imagery)

2009-06-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 23/6/09, Thorir Jonsson thorir...@gmail.com wrote: Hardy to Jaunty.  Whenever I try to download images from Yahoo! they appear distorted and torn into strips (screenshot here: http://tinypic.com/r/295zpfa/5). I had no end of problems until I compiled and used the webkit version

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 24/6/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Please don't do that! If you're not sure what category something comes under, it's really hard to find if it is on a page organised by category. If I want a windmill, say, I can search for windmill as things stand without

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

2009-06-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 24/6/09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: When the wiki pages are well structured (and named), you can use the search function, type windmill and you find the right page. I simply cannot imagine how far the Map Features page will be extended to list all possible amenities,

[OSM-talk] Bulk Upload of GPX data

2009-06-25 Thread John Smith
I posted to the forums, but didn't get any response and it was suggested I post here to inform people what's happening. I have written a speedometer app for Android handsets that uses the GPS information to display an analog speed dial. I originally wrote the app as a way to record GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding OpenStreetMap map into wordpress.com post

2009-06-25 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 25/6/09, Vincent MEURISSE osm-t...@meurisse.org wrote: and cannot install the OSM plugin for wordpress neither http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/osm/ ?? nice answer :) (Btw I don't know the answer) Take a screen shot?

Re: [OSM-talk] Bulk Upload of GPX data

2009-06-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 26/6/09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Have the users explicitly agreed to this? Yes, a popup dialog asks them on startup if they wish to upload to OSM, and there is a menu item to enable/disable as well. ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Bulk Upload of GPX data

2009-06-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 28/6/09, Douglas Furlong douglas.furl...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to check the accuracy of the GPS points, and strip out any points that have a poor accuracy rating? The app reports PDOP or HDOP, not sure which java gives as the accuracy field to be honest, but anything

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand? Have you asked your provider lately about IPv6 address space? Most providers seem to be setting up IPv6 silently and/or more proactive lately when it comes

Re: [OSM-talk] passive user inputs

2009-07-01 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: wifi.  How can  we use massive amounts of car tracks? How do you want to use them? Actually this topic sort of come up recently on talk-au, firstly you can take all the data, remove spurious track information and average the

Re: [OSM-talk] passive user inputs

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com wrote: Well they could also used against OSM. If people start using theirs car-gps output for this and don't bother to switch of the snap-to-road feature (and many won't), we are in trouble. Yes, but the context here is home brew

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This is a bad idea. Do it right or do it not. ... has never been OSM's attitude so far, so why change now. Honestly, I Judging by my experience, there will be most likely be between 0.01% and 1% IPv6 traffic v IPv4 traffic,

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Thomas Schäfer tschae...@t-online.de wrote: Your horse isn't high? I prefer soap boxes personally, they don't tend to shy ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Bernhard zwischenbrugger b...@datenkueche.com wrote: First I read the location from http://api.hostip.info. Then, if the user has a browser with geolocation (wifi based position finder) the user will be asked if he wants to give his Firefox 3.5 geolocation to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: - Devices. iPhone has an offline maps app. It's easy to make maps for Garmin devices. AndNav2 (Android) has an inbuilt pre-caching option, this can be slow, the alternative is some apps that precache maps for trekbuddy (J2ME) also

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: The data is the other point. Planet is currently around 6.2 GB, compressed. That could fit on two DVDs. Probably better That's assuming you leave it in OSM format, you can probably reduce this size if you switch it to some other

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: People care because it has been standardized and is being implemented by major players: http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html Dunno about you, but 50,000,000 blackberry users can't be too wrong...

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, si...@mungewell.org si...@mungewell.org wrote: Distilling this down to a way which is 'not more than 5m away' from the original might save a considerable amount of space. You can also strip out all of the data/tags which you are not interested in rendering. Or you

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: First of all I doubt there are 50,000,000 blackberry users, Not my figure, but apparently the number of active BB subscribers that number sounds a little too high, and yes, they can be I'm not sure but the number of their

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Or you could use some binary format that reduces all the bloating produced by xml. ...or database [files] as Rory McCann suggested, for direct usage. I'm guessing the database files would take up more space due to overheads and

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Bernhard zwischenbrugger b...@datenkueche.com wrote: Firefox, iPhone, Blackberry geolocation is a funny thing. Easy to use. In the case of the BlackBerry browser it pulls the info from a GPS chip if available. Alternatively there is Skyhook Wireless which provide APIs

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: The data must be stored in a list of ip addresses associated with a mast, that mast having a GPS location. Bit like geoip but on a bigger scale. No, IPs would be a very imprecise way to do it, simply because IPs get handed

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: then you win. If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster is draw up a migration plan for OSM. If that's the case, I'm not sure where the hold up is exactly because the work the .nl guys have put in proves

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do the work. To be fair, only those with root access to production systems and contacts with

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: I wonder what the RTT would be from UK to USA. Maybe even the amount of packetloss; I mean if OpenShortestPigeonFlight is not used... that could be enormous. Assuming there is no large amount of packet losses due to packet

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-04 Thread John Smith
--- On Sat, 4/7/09, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: I don’t know about UCL (I imagine as a University they probably already have an easy route to IPv6), but Bytemark specifically offer it[1].  I guess that would cover the wiki and repository. Someone already commented that UCL has

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-04 Thread John Smith
--- On Sat, 4/7/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: Totally agree, I would love to see more OSM in the press, but I have absolutely no clue in how to manage it... Ask Apple or Mozilla for help? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

2009-07-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: The most obvious implementation we could do would be where users visit the slippy map without having a location set in their cookie. Currently we guess at a location via IP address, but it would be good (and not difficult)

Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers

2009-07-07 Thread John Smith
gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better. Maybe in your area, but speaking from experience Australia is very poorly mapped out except for metro areas. There is large areas that look empty but really aren't, there is back roads all over the place, they just haven't been

Re: [OSM-talk] reconverting google mapmakers

2009-07-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#History I'm looking forward to seeing New Zealand fully complete.  (It looks like it will be done faster than Canada though :(  ... with the LINZ data, and other other stuff. I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names (was: Potted plants vs. garden beds)

2009-07-07 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: and so on.  We could even have little fish swimming in the oceans like the maps in olden days. Do you mark Ye be dragons here on the map too? :) ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-08 Thread John Smith
Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this would be how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern Latin) call the animals. What about name:scientific or name:sci ?

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I was thinking this also - I was going to send an email to the local faculty who are responsible for the GIS curriculum at each local school, and also offer to speak or help get students started (first edit sessions can be frustrating). 

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: There are different target groups, primary school, secondary, college/uni so we need targeted plans for each. I was mostly thinking secondary, I didn't think primary would be that interested or able to produce useful data,

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or A-Level in Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught subject. It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right or as Part of Technical Drawing, Its

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: Though I know we might not be able to use information from 11yr old kids it still does not mean we can not help provide education This would fall into the category of PR more than anything I assume, does anything like this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: As osm grows the chances that somone will try to damage the map grows. Maybe a new user should have their edits checked when they first join and then build trust that way. Make it a random check but put the priority on the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: I don't realistically see an automated reputation system working given the community we have but how about a mentoring type approach where experienced mappers adopt one or more newbies. Well it would have saved a lot of newbie

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-11 Thread John Smith
--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Stefan Baebler stefan.baeb...@gmail.com wrote: Fixing subway stations in Rome wouldn't be prohibited to newcomers if they limit themselves for that day to Rome, encouraging them to focus on an area rather than jumping around the globe changing things (True Hopefully

Re: [OSM-talk] Help getting webkit up on vista 64?

2009-07-11 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 12/7/09, David Carmean d...@halibut.com wrote: However, in my neighborhood, JOSM shows a very pixellated image at high zoom, while the yahoo web interface shows aerial photos at what must be about 0.1m resolution. Please add your findings to this ticket:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 12/7/09, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: (long road routes across US/australia or even flights - one user in Even the current limits make it time consuming downloading multiple areas to cover drives in rural areas I've taken in the last month alone.

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal 'man_made:tower' and 'communications_transpoder'

2009-07-13 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Simon Wood si...@mungewell.org wrote: Following suggestions and the fact that 'man_made:tower' does not appear to be a formally recognised tag (even if JOSM knows about it) I would like to bring the following two tags into the approval process. There is a bazillion

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal 'man_made:tower' and 'communications_transpoder'

2009-07-13 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: With a mighty mouse-click, we can import 30,000 tower=smooth tags :@) -but of course we wont. (OK, bad joke) Jokes aside that isn't actually far fetched since the ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority) has

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal 'man_made:tower' and 'communications_transpoder'

2009-07-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: At the moment, they have been imported in a way that will not render: height=46 source=Antennebureau source_ref=http://www.antenneregister.nl/ technology=GSM 900 I'd split the last line into frequency/technology, 900Mhz or similar for

Re: [OSM-talk] Undo request button for changesets

2009-07-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: If you're saying that it should mail some mythical team of ninja mappers who will spring into action and revert the changeset then you're going to need to establish the team of ninja mappers first before we can add the button. Why

Re: [OSM-talk] Undo request button for changesets

2009-07-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at the history for this stretch of I-75 near the TN/GA border, since I was unaware of the undo process, I ended up spending 6+ hours redrawing I-75 (admittedly the work needed to be done to fix TIGER, but still)

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Distance to feature' maps?

2009-07-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I now have this image of a thematic map in my head which features a frightened child walking through a freezing forest having to dodge cougars, wolves and pedobears. Sounds like a blockbuster when compared to the usual

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-07-17 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Birgit Huesken birgit.hues...@web.de wrote: There are places where people, who for different reasons can't stay alone or in their families, live. The idea is to create a What you are describing is normally known (at least here) as shelters. For homeless people and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-07-17 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Birgit Huesken birgit.hues...@web.de wrote: If I understood you correctly, shelters are something like emergency places or homes where people stay for a comparably short time. What I mean are places where people really _live_ instead of staying alone or with their

[OSM-talk] Speaking of daily change files...

2009-07-19 Thread John Smith
In the last week or so there has been dumps that osm2pgsql fails to parse due to garbage characters, I even tried the -u switch for kicks, but unless I manually intervene and clean things up osm2pgsql refuses to deal with it. Pretty sure I'm using the latest version, or near to it, was

[OSM-talk] keep right! and barrier=*

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
keep right thinks a node ending in barrier=*, cattle_grid and others I guess, where as the road past a lot of these barriers would be access=private and usually isn't mapped. eg http://osm.org/go/ueSEtgYJj-- ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Of course, determining whether your average bit of woodland in the UK is Maybe these tags exist for other parts of the world too? I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure not all areas in Australia has been logged or managed and

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Indeed, in most developed countries, I would suggest that it is very rare for trees to be naturally occurring or not managed in some way. I've no idea about most developed countries, but I'm confident that not all of

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Now, I would tag it that way if that was the spec, but there is no spec for OSM, so as I said I suspect most people do what feels right rather than try to determine the tagging according to some usually undeterminable

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Although logging may be prohibited currently there may have been logging activity before the area was designated as a wilderness area. We keep getting the tree hugger ads on tv about protecting what ever section of rain forest that

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind, something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cricketbatwillow/825730972/ is managed forest and landuse=forest But something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sequella/425687849/in/photostream/ is mostly

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and barrier=*

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: keep right thinks a node ending in barrier=*, cattle_grid and others I guess, where as the road past a lot of these barriers would be access=private and usually isn't mapped. eg http://osm.org/go/ueSEtgYJj-- I don't get the

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: * landuse=forestry (so we know if it's managed for commercial reasons) You have parks, state parks, state forests, national parks, nature conservation areas. The list goes on and on as if someone must keep thinking up new names to

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and barrier=*

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: The issue here is not that the way is ending with a barrier node but the fact that in a reasonable vicinity to the ending node there's another way. Quite often this means that some mapper forgot to connect the ending node to a way.

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-21 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Tyler tyler.ritc...@gmail.com wrote: landuse. While I'm not convinced national parks, national forest wilderness areas, federal/state/county/municipal wildlife reserves shouldn't be solid fill areas in renderers, I have no argument that boundary=reserve type is

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and barrier=*

2009-07-21 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net wrote: I disagree. I have had dozens of ways in Bremen alone where someone mapped the private ways, but ended them at the gate, where in reality the ways did indeed connect to the public road just outside the fence. Well what I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-21 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Although it's hard to tell where the ACT is because state borders don't seem to render at higher levels or when I fixed them up I over looked something. yes, that's an issue, there is this rendering problem (already

[OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-21 Thread John Smith
A section of the Bruce highway just north of Gympie has 2 different speed limits depending what direction you are traveling. While I guess this could be solved as 2 single lanes is there a more elegant solution? http://osm.org/go/ueTQy4AfL- When going south you hit an 80 sign 300-500m before

Re: [OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-22 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: You may want to ask on the main talk list, rather than talk-au to get a wider opinion. I thought the same thing after I posted to the talk-au list :) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-22 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, SLXViper slxvi...@gmx.net wrote: I think using maxspeed:forward and maxspeed:backward would be the best solution. This was also discussed for access= depending on the direction you come from: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038503.html Hmmm

Re: [OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-22 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, you're right - this is more what I was thinking of seeing, but the relationship is the one that came up when I searched.  I don't understand the wiki search results sometimes.  Try this page.  I think the one I listed

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-22 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Alice Kaerast kaer...@qvox.org wrote: There is also another property which hasn't been considered - type of trees.  Evergreen vs. Deciduous might be nice to know.  Ordnance survey maps differentiate between coniferous and non-coniferous and has symbols for coppice

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-22 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Another Venn diagram problem. Our trees are neither coniferous or deciduous, and the alternate is mixed Add to that Gum trees are evergreen :) ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] Yahoo Sat Imagery

2009-07-23 Thread John Smith
I think yahoo has been adding additional areas of hi-res imagery recently, I just added an area boundary in this area: http://osm.org/go/ueSsf4X- Do they announce this kind of thing at all? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder

2009-07-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Tristan Thomas tristan.tho...@wikinewsie.org wrote: I'm looking for the cheapest tracker possible really, probably off eBay(UK).  Any recommendations for a bargain? In a car or ? I grabbed a couple of cheap data loggers off ebay(AU), AU$70 inc postage, out of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder

2009-07-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: You'll be wanting a logger capable of logging data to an SD card in no time (so you don't have to download the data every day). I mean, who doesn't love OSM maps in an eTrex? I skipped the sd card variant and bought

Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder

2009-07-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to be off-topic, but has anyone looked in to building the perfect OSM GPS logger from parts? I wonder if the overall price would be less than $40 if we put together a GPS chipset, an SD card slot, and a simple microcontroller.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Cheap Recorder]

2009-07-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Tristan Thomas tristan.tho...@wikinewsie.org wrote: Sorry, I'm a bit confused.  Does the BT757 connect to your phone then?  What does it use the phone for? By 'cell' I meant the solar cell/solar panel it comes with, and has nothing to do with phones, the only time I

Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder

2009-07-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I have no idea how good the GPS receivers on mobile phones are, but if that is I've played with several GPS enabled mobile phones, mostly BB's and the G1, but they are pretty good in most cases. There is also A-GPS enabled phones too,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder

2009-07-24 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: people think GPS if they're getting a new phone. Battery life suffers on both, of course, so you're not going to be logging as You can get after market batteries for some/most? phones that have increased capacity. You can

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - information

2009-07-25 Thread John Smith
What about those information offices that exist on estates where they try and sell you a block of land and/or a house, sometimes a demo house is used as an office, but I've seen little shacks put up as well. ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
I can't see a time limit tag at all, there is a lot of free council car parks in various places but they may have a 2 or 3 hour time limit on them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: I see a problem wiith this idea. Only because councils change the times/prices reguarly. Often without notice. You can use many supermarket car parks for 2 hours but that could change depening on the seasons. What councils

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com wrote: time_limitation=yes limitation_duration=3 (time in hours) Well it's a restriction, so tagging it as such might be more consistent with other restrictions, eg. restriction=time_limitation I have no idea about how to tag

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
restriction=time_limitation Actually time is usually used in tagging for time of day, so perhaps stay_limitation might be more applicable for how long you can stay in the car park. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Using the tag 'description=*' would help show users the most noteworthy details along with the phone # to call for more info. It'd be nice if it would be computer readable, not just human readable since then you could

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, malenki o...@malenki.ch wrote: Maybe this helps: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Maximum_Stay Doesn't look like it was approved, and it doesn't look like it would be nice/easy to parse by some kind of software, eg searching for a place to park.

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=parking, time limit tag?

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: When searching for a parking space, it is even simpler. The software you use for that, doesn't have to understand the tag. It just has to display it. Ok you get back 50 results within a 2 block radius but if you could drill down so

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, ヴィカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a park barrier like this: Like its made of metal, circular in shape, two perpendicular diagonals separator, rotates and prevents any sort of vehicles including cycles to be brought in. Only one person can enter

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Vikas Yadav vi...@thevikas.com wrote: btw, JOSM does not recognize turnstile while it had an icon for stile. there is no official turnstile tag with OSM, stile is the same thing. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:   I swear that neither the questioner or the last poster is a sock puppet account! Yes, some times the slightest of actions have the most effect :) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: I think that you should use barrier=turnstile, otherwise data users will think they are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile Turnstiles were originally used, like other forms of stile, to allow human beings to pass whilst

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need to file bugs on all types of stiles? or would it be better to list it as barrier=stile and subtype? Remember that in OSM you can

[OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. By using height you don't have to break the way under the bridge up, on the other hand maxheight is specific to the road under

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to break up the way and mark it as maxheight I'm just trying to make other people's

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
And the bridge in question is a rail bridge with over head wires, the height bit is clearance under the bridge. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but be careful not to break things up. Maxheight could be valid for the way on the bridge itself as well. Yup, the height is someone's attempt to do maxheight, not mapping the clearance or height of the bridge... In

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. The maxheight tag looks like it was aimed as a restriction tag, the way below the bridge is restricted if you are above or close to X metres you will

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. And it's clear that both ways of thinking are probably valid. As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. Can

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, perhaps our difference in opinion stems from our different perspectives - your emphasis on when I travel vs my emphasis on, perhaps, when I look at a map, or when I conceptualise the world. That was the basis of the 2 sets

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would at least suggest that - if maxheight is applied to a node, as you suggest - the node should be *shared* by the bridge (way) and the way passing under. This makes it clearer that maxheight is The problem with this is

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Um...the way would also be close proximity to the bridge, because it passes under it... I don't see how finding a node near a bridge is a particularly elegant solution. And by random I mean the particular node you choose would

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I'm starting to like this idea. But the problem with this is how to define that section of way, so as not to introduce a maintenance You really don't want to pull on that thread, the same can be said for bridges or virtually

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