--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It's a problem given to all computer science students to
solve:
the travelling salesman.
The more points to cover, the more processing power it uses
which makes the way the human brain can solve those
problems really cool.
The
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au wrote:
I have two immediate questions
(actually I have a lot but
these have been preying on my mind as a result of my
breach). When you go
to an attraction, be it an outdoor winery/farm tour or say,
fun park or caravan
park, are the
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
See if the way has a source tag if it does and this is
other than survey or gps then it's generally fair game to
move it.
There is more ways than I care to count that are marked as survey that were
poorly traced.
I don't have a
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au wrote:
Delta Foxtrot – I access OSM
through “GPS traces/see
your traces” link then “edit” (another
person uploaded a lot
of my tracks before I came to OSM but put my username in
the tag so I could
find and “fix”, do POIs, road surfaces
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Why should I. No where in osm does it state that a
GPX file has to be
uploaded.
You don't have to upload anything to OSM, but you should if you care for the
accuracy of the information you'll upload the gpx files which will give
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
No kidding, I'm well aware of the difference betweend
should and must.
You keep implying must when I've said should.
You did not say anything about the greater good and I've
yet to see any
reason that it is for the greater good.
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
Unless you have better than consumer grade kit you won't be
consistently getting within 2m of accuracy all the time, and
I think that sums the argument up right there, you're
assuming you will.
Let me re-phrase... The main
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
The greater good is supported by the end product not by
data (GPX files)
that, although supports the end product, is not shown in
the final map or
routing solutions.
We were always told to show our working out in school for a
--- On Tue, 16/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I knew what you meant
even osm wiki has examples of mappers coming to grief
You meant this?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_accidents
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--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com wrote:
I definitely agree external data sources
should be reviewed some how before being imported such that
anything currently in place remains as the authoritative
instance.
I didn't mean to suggested that any govt provided data
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Yep
have the email history and a copy is on its way to you
directly.
Thanks for that, it's exactly what I was looking for, not planning to use it
word for word, but it's given me a nice template to start from.
In my up an coming trip to SE QLD, I'm probably going to go through a number of
largish, relatively speaking, regional towns that aren't mapped out except for
a handful of streets and most if not all were from landsat imagery.
Now does anyone have suggestions on how to basically drive the
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote:
Ok, I split the ABS boundary way as
needed and added highway=tertiary to it. This is what has
been done with the rivers in the area which follow ABS
boundaries.
Can somebody confirm that this was the correct course
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It depends if they are set out in rectangular bocks or
wiggles
Most of the streets in the towns given seem to be fairly straight, thankfully.
We photograph the street signs which means we go round
slowly
I've been playing around lately on
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
OSM makes you look for somethings out there between the
nothings.
You have to, at times, squint and turn round, maybe pluck a chook to find it! :)
I know that country, and the Hay Plains still win for
nothingness.
A few prickly pear, a
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I got a cheap mp3 player that offered recording but i
couldn't get it to work, so i quit that line of
investigation.
could be worthwhile, certainly easier than writing on paper
on the steering wheel at speed
Have you seen the photos of
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
2 miles and 19 chains is the measure in the High Court
documents; then about 2 1/4 miles
Considering the inch (and other imperial measurements) weren't standardised
until the 1950s (1 inch = 2.54mm) that's a little imprecise to
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Nick and I both cross this line a few times a year
the OSM boundary is not correctly aligned with the signs on
the Mallee Highway either
needs some variation on which routes we take it seems
I've merged the 2 administrative
I noticed a bunch of maritime boundaries at 12nm, however most countries have
made a land grab and extended their maritime borders to 200nm.
I suppose this is more of a general question since it would effect almost all
non-landlocked countries.
Are the 12nm boundaries even relevant/valid any
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.8528lon=140.9719zoom=13layers=B000FTF
has the swamp in the middle of the map (judging from the
aerial imagery)
Roughly judging from the aerial image the border would be closer to 140.9698
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote:
The reason I chose to put in the (roughly estimated) 12nm
boundary was
that from the research I could find it's the *legal*
definition of the
extent of full australian territory, i.e. when you are
inside 12nm you
are in Australia
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote:
The reason I chose to put in the (roughly estimated) 12nm
boundary was
that from the research I could find it's the *legal*
definition of the
extent of full australian territory, i.e. when you are
inside 12nm you
are in Australia
I'm just wondering, nothing came up on google when searching, if there is any
example letters floating about petitioning MPs for access to federal data and
making it public domain.
The reason I ask is the electorate, both state and federal, I'm in is currently
held by independents and they
--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Paul Zagoridis pa...@zagz.com wrote:
Pick up the phone and talk to your
local member AND the electoral staff.
I know from previous correspondence on issues they always tell me to put it in
a letter and send it to the member, luckily they also accept emails these days.
--- On Fri, 12/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I think that often the amount was greater than 10
metres.
Now that you helped me to figure out relations I'm finally able to fix up the
NSW/QLD border into 1 bondary instead of 2 wrong ones, the ABS boundary is in
places 80-120m off the 29
--- On Fri, 12/6/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
Unless you have a known point of reference, clearly visible
in the imagery and placed via something accurate (i.e. gps),
they can be out a fair bit.
You can also get into datum issues, OSM uses WGS84, which differs from DGA94 by
--- On Fri, 12/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
That was what I did one day when it was too hot to do
anything else.
However, most of it is very rough, and if anyone wants to
retrace any parts more accurately I will not be the least
upset.
Some parts of rivers I have traced are very
--- On Fri, 12/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Changes_V0.5_to_V0.6
ta
because at this point we can't upload stuff with
too many relations and too many points, and the Lachlan
changes won't upload, so I have to draw it all out
--- On Fri, 12/6/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
In Potlatch, it's the middle of the three icons on the
bottom right, between Repeat tags and Add new Tag.
Wow, why couldn't it be that easy in JOSM!
thanks
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--- On Sat, 13/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
open a file in JOSM, so you have the icons down the
LHS
Alt-R or the icon with the cog opens relations in the RHS
panel
now New
opens a dialogue from which you can make relations
(don't ask me for further details here)
I managed to
--- On Sat, 13/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
open a file in JOSM, so you have the icons down the
LHS
Alt-R or the icon with the cog opens relations in the RHS
panel
now New
opens a dialogue from which you can make relations
(don't ask me for further details here)
I just
--- On Thu, 11/6/09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
Another thing I started tagging in Queanbeyan was bus
stops, Eventually it would be good to have all bus
routes
on OpenstreetMap.
Any suggestions on mapping bus routes in rural areas, eg the countrylink bus
goes from Inverell
A shoe-maker, Aetrex Worldwide, and GTX Corp, a company that makes
miniaturized Global Positioning Satellite tracking and location-transmitting
devices, are teaming up to make shoes for people suffering from Alzheimer's
Disease. The technology will provide the location of the individual
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
we spent quite a few hours on the road over the last two
days and about 600km to cover 4 different towns,
concentrating on town roads and names, then points of
interest.
Does anyone have a list of things, to plot out on maps in order of
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
is a bit of overkill for a section which discusses old
maps. Naturally its all out of date.
The links are busted so the links are what is being referred to as out of date,
regardless if the page was about old maps or what not.
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
To use the river/streams example from above,
I'd say that if you have the chance to _accurately_
trace a waterway, it might be worth doing before most of the
things. Other people who come along later will be able to
get the roads,
--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I've no intention of collecting smoothness
data, there are far more interesting things to do than
that.
I've been reflecting on this statement over the last few days while I've been
filling in roads that have been GPS tracked by not marked,
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll be conducting a one man, mini mapping frenzy,
around the Hervey Bay area, whilst trying to avoid
4) Ross River Virus
Apparently it's getting really bad, yet almost nothing is reported in mass
media due to fears of upsetting
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok - I was booked on a flight to LA (hoping to get on
a new A380), but then swine flu broke out.
Also I found out that Hertz had sold off all their GTH
Shelby Mustangs, which was the main reason I went to the
USA in the first
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--- On Tue, 2/6/09, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote:
Is anyone else here having
problems with Potlatch? Over the last couple of weeks, I
have had repeated problems with Potlatch not being able to
connect with the server. It's most annoying after
drawing a long way on a rural road
--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
another thing is to ask one of the oldies to name all
the roads for you - some of my my acquaintance can identify
all the local roads
It's fairly blank at present in most rural areas I've seen, there is the odd
town mapped out and I've been
I'm wondering if anyone knows of any cheap GPS data loggers that I can lend out
to people, I'm thinking postal delivery workers here, that in and off itself it
won't be worth stealing, something without a screen.
I'm sure there are other situations this could be useful as well, but it would
--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Babstar wrote:
I'm only new to OSM and GPS logging, but I found a lot of
help on GPSpassion.com forums (they have a dedicated forum
for data loggers).
I did a fair bit of research and ended up purchasing a
Qstarz BT-1000X from ebay (note, there are a three Qstarz
--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
I was going to suggest a Kogan GPS watch but they don't
appear to be selling them anymore.
Has 10 point data capacity, 6hours on battery or can
plug into car cigarette lighter socket.
Casio makes one...
--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
some people go a lot of distance and to out of the way
places
look for itinerant traders - a mobile butcher, the guy who
services tractors, and we use the guy who changes eftpos
machines too.
i asked one of highway patrol guys but they
I came across this DIY project...
http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/gps-sd-logger/
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--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Yup, in New South, when you have a concrete road way
built into the bottom of a creek bed, crossing the creek,
that's a causeway. Except it's a ford.
Except the deff of a ford is that it's usually wet and the slabs in NSW creeks
and gullies
--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
A section of ABS boundary is over 4000 nodes, but I keep
getting an error about a maximum of 2000 nodes, and I can't
figure out how to split or otherwise the segment so it can
be turned into a river/border.
JOSM can't deal
--- On Mon, 25/5/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote:
They're not marked in though, because the river
hasn't been marked in yet either. Along that road they
are marked with an RTA road sign which reads
FORD. Perhaps we could mark all the crossings
which are signposted as
--- On Mon, 25/5/09, dar...@tpg.com.au dar...@tpg.com.au wrote:
What I do have a problem with is a rock or concrete wall
that is built to control the flow of water as
in river mouths and enclosing harbours. Some call them
Breakwalls, some call them Training
Walls, some call them
--- On Sat, 23/5/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
No, I didn't post that link.
Sorry, I thought you did.
and it isn't that simple either.
The way I see it everything is relative, I notice a discussion on the use of
villiage/city/hamlet/town etc and applying it to Australia, you
--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
So therefore don't use mini_roundabouts as they are not
defined in any Australian Highway definition and your trying
to do exactly the same thing you are saying about
village/city/hamlet/town etc but with roads.
According to the
--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Perhaps
highway=ford
I did see that earlier but for some reason thought it was different, just
looked at the full sized photo and it certainly looks like a causeway, thanks
for pointing that out.
Another question I thought of
The MacIntyre river and others form the NSW/QLD border and for much of the
border area there seems to be 2 ABS data sets, one that follows the river
pretty well and one that doesn't really but uses less data points.
What should happen in that case?
You can see the descrepency in this map:
--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, interesting. Does anyone have gps traces for this area
that could be used to try to work out
which is better ?
The rivers themselves are the border, and you can see that one ABS boundary
follows the river better than the
Also there appears to be 2 boundaries defining the same thing, one is from the
ABS the other isn't sourced.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-29.0185lon=148.9501zoom=12layers=B000FTF
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--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote:
Considering the ABS is only a recent addition and that OSM
has been around for years, surely it's obvious that someone
made the effort a while ago to put the state borders in and
what you are now seeing is a subset of the issues that
--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
My initial confusion was over the 2 different data sets
both sourced as ABS, I've been adding appropriate tags
because I thought what you are suggesting is the right
course of action but I didn't want to tred on any toes.
Now
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Have a read of this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts
there are separate tags for traffic calming devices
and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they
are all roundabouts.
Well according to the link you
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
After trawling for a bit I came across this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Surveyor
Pity they didn't document what they did specifically.
Actually if meta information (POIs/Street names) were saved
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote:
Waterways should be mapped Sometimes
landsat or yahoo imagery can help.
What's the url for landsat or how do I make use of it, yahoo images are pretty
course in rural areas from what I've seen so far.
Sometime the ABS
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote:
You may want to consider JOSM. It allows you to lock
the imagery scale at
the best available, and then zoom in. Sometimes that
makes things easier,
and I'm not sure if potlatch can do that. Still, I
would have thought that
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
The source tag is part of the OSM data not part of the GPS
information,
have a look at the source tag on Glen Innes Road.
I thought information could be included in the GPX files that would be imported
by something, JOSM or OSM
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
AFAIK it is only lat, long and elevation data. How
did you enter the name
and surface tags for the ways. The source tag is the
same.
GPX files can contain a lot of data and meta data, the schema for GPX 1.1 can
be found here:
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote:
I would leave the river running down the centre, and mark
the lake area
polygons with natural=water. You can also
use waterway=riverbank to draw
a wider river. See how other people have tagged other
rivers.
Just looking at,
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