Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom
Given problem is you argue with pictures showing what is under the cap. On the tag page picture - and on the ground - we can't say what is under and if a man can't get down a ladder into a room. I think all this stuff would require a formal proposal to discuss about vocabulary and have opinions of several people. We need standard definitions more than legal actually. All the best Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 01:02, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> a écrit : > I am trying to say the tag page is wrong, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom > the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole > > https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg > > this is a fiber splice manhole, > > https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf > > can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal > industry names. > https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole > ( a man goes into the hole) [manhole] > > > > Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe < > fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>: > To me, manhole applies in the two situations. > We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface > and the facility underground. > Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really > different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without > removing the cap. > In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on > surface. So this distinction would really be valuable. > When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road > manholes. > Then I found this : > https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html > The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room". > All the best > François > > Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < > talk@openstreetmap.org > > a écrit : > > this is an enclosure just put in the ground, level 3 fiber. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587328637=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html > > this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587329086=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D > > > https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf > > > Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < > t.pfei...@computer.org>: > Dear 80hnhtv4agou, > As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging > scheme for an object that > is worldwide comprehensible. > We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing. > Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations. > To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in > the wiki. > In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried > cable enclosure› > to the manhole=telecom wiki page. > Kind regards > Tom > > On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom > > in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for > me to find to use. > > can the name be changed. > > > https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ > > to what it is ? > ___ > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom
I am trying to say the tag page is wrong, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg this is a fiber splice manhole, https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal industry names. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole ( a man goes into the hole) [manhole] >Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe >: >To me, manhole applies in the two situations. >We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and >the facility underground. >Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really different >kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without removing the cap. >In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on surface. >So this distinction would really be valuable. >When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road >manholes. >Then I found this : >https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html >The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room". >All the best >François >Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < >talk@openstreetmap.org > a écrit : >> this is an enclosure just put in the ground, level 3 fiber. >>https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587328637=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D >>https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html >> >>this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t. >>https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587329086=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D >> >>https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf >> >>>Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < >>>t.pfei...@computer.org >: >>>Dear 80hnhtv4agou, >>>As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging >>>scheme for an object that >>>is worldwide comprehensible. >>>We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing. >>>Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations. >>>To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in the >>>wiki. >>>In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried >>>cable enclosure› >>>to the manhole=telecom wiki page. >>>Kind regards >>>Tom >>> >>>On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for me to find to use. can the name be changed. https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ to what it is ? __ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom
To me, manhole applies in the two situations. We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and the facility underground. Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without removing the cap. In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on surface. So this distinction would really be valuable. When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road manholes. Then I found this : https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room". All the best François Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > this is an enclosure just put in the ground, level 3 fiber. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587328637=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html > > this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587329086=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D > > > https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf > > > Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < > t.pfei...@computer.org>: > > Dear 80hnhtv4agou, > > As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging > scheme for an object that > is worldwide comprehensible. > > We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing. > > Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations. > > To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in > the wiki. > > In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried > cable enclosure› > to the manhole=telecom wiki page. > > Kind regards > Tom > > On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom > > > > in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for > me to find to use. > > > > can the name be changed. > > > > > https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ > > > > to what it is ? > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom
this is an enclosure just put in the ground, level 3 fiber. https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587328637=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t. https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V=1587329086=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf >Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < >t.pfei...@computer.org >: > >Dear 80hnhtv4agou, > >As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging scheme >for an object that >is worldwide comprehensible. > >We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing. > >Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations. > >To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in the >wiki. > >In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried >cable enclosure› >to the manhole=telecom wiki page. > >Kind regards >Tom > >On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom >> >> in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for me to >> find to use. >> >> can the name be changed. >> >> >> https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ >> >> to what it is ? >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
