Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 25.07.2018 o 16:39, Colin Smale pisze: > >> The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor can we >> use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous legal cases >> which came down to the fact that these symbols are protected by >> international law. Even historical representations (vintage ambulances, >> hospitals etc) have an issue with this. > > Well, what about red cross symbol then - isn't it also protected by ICRC?... Yes, and the red crescent as well. > We had similar problem with shop=sports icon: Yup, the IOC are fanatical as well. -- "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess it would be perceived as shooting themselves in the foot if the > international red cross would file a lawsuit against osmf for using a red > cross as icon for hospitals. It has happened before. The ICRC are totally fanatical about the protection of their emblems. Our symbol is mauve rather than red, so we can get away with it like that. If we render a red cross (or crescent or crystal) on our maps it will take a fraction of a nanosecond before the ICRC (or some national organisation) are on our case. Example quote from the Irish Red Cross website: "We frequently issue requests for organisations and companies to desist from unauthorised use of the emblem which typically involves first aid kits, medical products, surgeries, pharmacies, repair services, children's toys, maps and street directories. This normally entails either reproduction or stylising of the emblem."___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
W dniu 25.07.2018 o 16:39, Colin Smale pisze: > The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor > can we use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous > legal cases which came down to the fact that these symbols are > protected by international law. Even historical representations > (vintage ambulances, hospitals etc) have an issue with this. Well, what about red cross symbol then - isn't it also protected by ICRC?... We had similar problem with shop=sports icon: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1530#issuecomment-99266644 -- "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
sent from a phone > On 25. Jul 2018, at 15:34, "oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch" > wrote: > > There are 180 currencies recognized as legal tender in the world [1]. I have > nothing against USD and EUR, but why not to use a straightforward > comprehensible generic icon, which covers all existing and future circulating > currencies? > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies not few of them use the $ as symbol though, it doesn’t necessarily stand for USD. Personally, I would prefer ¥€$, it’s iconic and has currency symbols from three continents in it. cheers, Martin PS: Are people still using bureaux de change? I thought they’d either get local money from an atm or pay with credit card. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
sent from a phone > On 25. Jul 2018, at 16:39, Colin Smale wrote: > > The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor can we > use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous legal cases which > came down to the fact that these symbols are protected by international law. > Even historical representations (vintage ambulances, hospitals etc) have an > issue with this. I guess it would be perceived as shooting themselves in the foot if the international red cross would file a lawsuit against osmf for using a red cross as icon for hospitals. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
On 2018-07-25 16:05, Daniel Koć wrote: > We have the same problem with hospital symbol. There's even an official > generic symbol that we could use, called "red crystal" (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement#The_Red_Crystal > ) and I like it very much, but we still use red cross, because I think > nobody would recognize it. The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor can we use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous legal cases which came down to the fact that these symbols are protected by international law. Even historical representations (vintage ambulances, hospitals etc) have an issue with this.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
OK. Thank you. After the hospital icon example, I see the point.Best regards,O.Sent from my Huawei Mobile___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
W dniu 25.07.2018 o 15:34, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch pisze:
> There are 180 currencies recognized as legal tender in the world [1].
> I have nothing against USD and EUR, but why not to use a
> straightforward comprehensible generic icon, which covers all existing
> and future circulating currencies?
Too generic symbols are just not clear. Some examples as a symbol ("pars
pro toto") can be better instead and is used in multiple cases (look for
example at fast food or playground icons).
We have the same problem with hospital symbol. There's even an official
generic symbol that we could use, called "red crystal" (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement#The_Red_Crystal
) and I like it very much, but we still use red cross, because I think
nobody would recognize it.
I invite you to discuss this issue here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3185
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[OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change
As far as I understood the new icon for the amenity=bureau_de_change tag will be the one seen on this page: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3301 It is an icon with the symbols of the US dollar and Euro. (there is still no icon at the wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbureau_de_change ) I suggest instead of an icon with the symbols of the US dollar and the Euro to use a generic icon. For example, similar to this one: https://thenounproject.com/term/currency-exchange/29456/ There are 180 currencies recognized as legal tender in the world [1]. I have nothing against USD and EUR, but why not to use a straightforward comprehensible generic icon, which covers all existing and future circulating currencies? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies Best regards, Oleksiy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
